RE: Is it safe to remove phone from list

2022-12-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
And what difference does it make, the phone is gone and I would not want to 
keep it on my account whether it's a security risk or not. There is no way to 
tell if somebody tore it apart to sell the battery, screen and whatever other 
pieces can be sold or if somebody finds a way to set it up as a new phone. If I 
reset a phone completely and sell it I will also remove it from my account even 
though not doing so doesn't also pose any risk, but it also serves no purpose.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is it safe to remove phone from list

Hello Max,

Wow!  I am so surprised at your reply from Apple.

There was a time when Apple maintained a list of stolen phones which would 
prevent the phone from being activated.

In fact, a friend of mine purchased a phone off of Craigslist and when we tried 
to activate it, it failed to do so.

When I called Apple, on his behalf, I was told that the phone, based on the 
IMEI number, had been placed on a special list because it had been reported as 
stolen.  Granted, this was many, many years ago but I find it difficult to 
believe that this system has been abandoned.  

I agree with you that the phone has, more likely than not, been abandoned as 
the thief could not activate it but, still, perhaps you should consider erasing 
the device?  I believe that if you elect to erase the phone, then, when next 
powered on, it will automatically erase itself but still be tied to your 
account.

As I think about this, were I in your situation, I would erase the phone and 
leave it on my account for, at least, 1 year or so.  Then, after that, I might, 
might remove it from my account.  As far as I know, leaving it associated with 
your account is not hurting anything and does not pose a security risk to you.  

Just some food for thought.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Agent086b
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:34 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

Hi Mark and all.
Well the call to Apple did not offer any real help.
They did not offer any service after the phone was stolen regarding putting it 
on a list. The lady I spoke to just said what ever I do it will just rely on 
the pass code.  So I will remove it from my iCloud account so at that will be 
safe. If they still have it  they can set it up as new!. After 8 months I doubt 
it. Probably broken up for parts by now.
Thanks all.
Max.

> On 27 Dec 2022, at 13:58, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Max,
> 
> Ah!  I see.
> 
> In such an instance, then I would call Apple and report the device as having 
> been stolen.  They will place it on a special list that will prevent the 
> device from being reactivated.  Do not remove the device from your account 
> until you speak to Someone at Apple who will advise you on how best to 
> proceed.
> 
> I am sorry that her phone was stolen;  What a terrible thing to happen.
> 
> Should you decide to contact Apple and report the phone as having been 
> stolen, please let us know your experience with Apple on this so that others 
> who may have a similar incident will no how best to proceed.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:47 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list
> 
> Sorry I was not clear. We have never got the phone back. I left it to erase 
> if the tried to connect to a network.
> Max.
> Max.
>> On 27 Dec 2022, at 10:45, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone 
>> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.  
>> 
>> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have 
>> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
>> 
>> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud 
>> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add 
>> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the 
>> phone sold or stolen.
>> 
>> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and 
>> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Agent086b
>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
>> 
>> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen. 
>> I went into find 

RE: Is it safe to remove phone from list

2022-12-27 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Max,

Wow!  I am so surprised at your reply from Apple.

There was a time when Apple maintained a list of stolen phones which would 
prevent the phone from being activated.

In fact, a friend of mine purchased a phone off of Craigslist and when we tried 
to activate it, it failed to do so.

When I called Apple, on his behalf, I was told that the phone, based on the 
IMEI number, had been placed on a special list because it had been reported as 
stolen.  Granted, this was many, many years ago but I find it difficult to 
believe that this system has been abandoned.  

I agree with you that the phone has, more likely than not, been abandoned as 
the thief could not activate it but, still, perhaps you should consider erasing 
the device?  I believe that if you elect to erase the phone, then, when next 
powered on, it will automatically erase itself but still be tied to your 
account.

As I think about this, were I in your situation, I would erase the phone and 
leave it on my account for, at least, 1 year or so.  Then, after that, I might, 
might remove it from my account.  As far as I know, leaving it associated with 
your account is not hurting anything and does not pose a security risk to you.  

Just some food for thought.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Agent086b
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:34 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

Hi Mark and all.
Well the call to Apple did not offer any real help.
They did not offer any service after the phone was stolen regarding putting it 
on a list. The lady I spoke to just said what ever I do it will just rely on 
the pass code.  So I will remove it from my iCloud account so at that will be 
safe. If they still have it  they can set it up as new!. After 8 months I doubt 
it. Probably broken up for parts by now.
Thanks all.
Max.

> On 27 Dec 2022, at 13:58, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Max,
> 
> Ah!  I see.
> 
> In such an instance, then I would call Apple and report the device as having 
> been stolen.  They will place it on a special list that will prevent the 
> device from being reactivated.  Do not remove the device from your account 
> until you speak to Someone at Apple who will advise you on how best to 
> proceed.
> 
> I am sorry that her phone was stolen;  What a terrible thing to happen.
> 
> Should you decide to contact Apple and report the phone as having been 
> stolen, please let us know your experience with Apple on this so that others 
> who may have a similar incident will no how best to proceed.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:47 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list
> 
> Sorry I was not clear. We have never got the phone back. I left it to erase 
> if the tried to connect to a network.
> Max.
> Max.
>> On 27 Dec 2022, at 10:45, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone 
>> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.  
>> 
>> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have 
>> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
>> 
>> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud 
>> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add 
>> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the 
>> phone sold or stolen.
>> 
>> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and 
>> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Agent086b
>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
>> 
>> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen. 
>> I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit 
>> lock code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove 
>> from my iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if 
>> I do this the phone can be activated by somebody else. If I do delete it 
>> will the lock code still be active?
>> Thanks for any help on this one.
>> Max.
>> 
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Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

2022-12-27 Thread Agent086b
Hi Mark and all.
Well the call to Apple did not offer any real help.
They did not offer any service after the phone was stolen regarding putting it 
on a list. The lady I spoke to just said what ever I do it will just rely on 
the pass code.  So I will remove it from my iCloud account so at that will be 
safe. If they still have it  they can set it up as new!. After 8 months I doubt 
it. Probably broken up for parts by now.
Thanks all.
Max.

> On 27 Dec 2022, at 13:58, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Max,
> 
> Ah!  I see.
> 
> In such an instance, then I would call Apple and report the device as having 
> been stolen.  They will place it on a special list that will prevent the 
> device from being reactivated.  Do not remove the device from your account 
> until you speak to Someone at Apple who will advise you on how best to 
> proceed.
> 
> I am sorry that her phone was stolen;  What a terrible thing to happen.
> 
> Should you decide to contact Apple and report the phone as having been 
> stolen, please let us know your experience with Apple on this so that others 
> who may have a similar incident will no how best to proceed.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:47 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list
> 
> Sorry I was not clear. We have never got the phone back. I left it to erase 
> if the tried to connect to a network.
> Max.
> Max.
>> On 27 Dec 2022, at 10:45, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone 
>> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.  
>> 
>> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have 
>> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
>> 
>> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud 
>> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add 
>> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the 
>> phone sold or stolen.
>> 
>> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and 
>> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Agent086b
>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
>> 
>> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen. 
>> I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit 
>> lock code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove 
>> from my iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if 
>> I do this the phone can be activated by somebody else. If I do delete it 
>> will the lock code still be active?
>> Thanks for any help on this one.
>> Max.
>> 
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Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

2022-12-27 Thread Agent086b
Thanks Mark,
the handbag, drivers licence cash and more. Never to be seen again!!! I will 
let the list know how I get on.
Max.

> On 27 Dec 2022, at 13:58, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Max,
> 
> Ah!  I see.
> 
> In such an instance, then I would call Apple and report the device as having 
> been stolen.  They will place it on a special list that will prevent the 
> device from being reactivated.  Do not remove the device from your account 
> until you speak to Someone at Apple who will advise you on how best to 
> proceed.
> 
> I am sorry that her phone was stolen;  What a terrible thing to happen.
> 
> Should you decide to contact Apple and report the phone as having been 
> stolen, please let us know your experience with Apple on this so that others 
> who may have a similar incident will no how best to proceed.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:47 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list
> 
> Sorry I was not clear. We have never got the phone back. I left it to erase 
> if the tried to connect to a network.
> Max.
> Max.
>> On 27 Dec 2022, at 10:45, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone 
>> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.  
>> 
>> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have 
>> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
>> 
>> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud 
>> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add 
>> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the 
>> phone sold or stolen.
>> 
>> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and 
>> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Agent086b
>> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
>> 
>> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen. 
>> I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit 
>> lock code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove 
>> from my iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if 
>> I do this the phone can be activated by somebody else. If I do delete it 
>> will the lock code still be active?
>> Thanks for any help on this one.
>> Max.
>> 
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RE: Is it safe to remove phone from list

2022-12-26 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Max,

Ah!  I see.

In such an instance, then I would call Apple and report the device as having 
been stolen.  They will place it on a special list that will prevent the device 
from being reactivated.  Do not remove the device from your account until you 
speak to Someone at Apple who will advise you on how best to proceed.

I am sorry that her phone was stolen;  What a terrible thing to happen.

Should you decide to contact Apple and report the phone as having been stolen, 
please let us know your experience with Apple on this so that others who may 
have a similar incident will no how best to proceed.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Agent086b
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 6:47 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

Sorry I was not clear. We have never got the phone back. I left it to erase if 
the tried to connect to a network.
Max.
Max.
> On 27 Dec 2022, at 10:45, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone 
> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.  
> 
> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have 
> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
> 
> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud 
> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add 
> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the 
> phone sold or stolen.
> 
> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and 
> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
> 
> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen. 
> I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit lock 
> code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove from my 
> iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if I do 
> this the phone can be activated by somebody else. If I do delete it will the 
> lock code still be active?
> Thanks for any help on this one.
> Max.
> 
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Re: Is it safe to remove phone from list

2022-12-26 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
Don't remove it from the account. If you do whoever has it now will be
able to use it, or at least the logic board from it (locked phones are
often parted out).

On 12/26/22, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone
> from your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.
>
> If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have
> the 6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.
>
> What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud
> account, then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add
> it to their iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the
> phone sold or stolen.
>
> So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and
> then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Agent086b
> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list
>
> Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen.
> I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit
> lock code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove
> from my iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if
> I do this the phone can be activated by somebody else. If I do delete it
> will the lock code still be active?
> Thanks for any help on this one.
> Max.
>
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RE: Is it safe to remove phone from list

2022-12-26 Thread M. Taylor
Hello,

To be honest, I do not know why you would want to remove your wife's phone from 
your account unless, of course, you want to add it to her account.  

If you remove her phone from your iCloud account, the phone will still have the 
6-digit unlock code on the device, itself.

What the message is indicating is that, if not attached to your iCloud account, 
then if someone knows the 6-digit unlock code, then they could add it to their 
iCloud account; which would be the natural scenario were the phone sold or 
stolen.

So, ideally, you will want to remove the phone from your iCloud account and 
then register it with another iCloud account as soon as possible.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Agent086b
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2022 3:35 PM
To: viphone 
Subject: Is it safe to remove phone from list

Hi, earlier this year my wife had her iPhone stolen. 
I went into find my and set her phone to erase. It already had a 6 digit lock 
code . This was around April May this year. I thought I would remove from my 
iCloud account. When I think of doing I get a notification saying if I do this 
the phone can be activated by somebody else. If I do delete it will the lock 
code still be active?
Thanks for any help on this one.
Max.

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