Re: iPhone behavior during calls without VO
Yes, I did say that, and you apparently haven't read the rest of the message about it. Here is what happens with every app where VO stays in the earpiece, without exception. People start complaining on various lists that VO is broken whenever they use the particular app because they cannot hear VO. This complaining continues until 1) the app developer sends VO to the speaker, or 2) people cease using the app. Now, what do you honestly believe will happen when a person takes the phone away from the ear and cannot hear, or can barely here, VO? In fact, what will you personally do? My bet is you will start complaining as loudly as everybody else. In fact, you can test this for yourself. When on a phone call, take the phone away from your ear. Perform a two-finger swipe up to get VO reading the entire screen. Now, hold a couple fingers in front of, and just a little below, the earpiece. You will very quickly notice that it is extremely hard to hear VO talking through the earpiece when the earpiece is away from your ear. Put another way, we intellectually believe that VO would be nice and quiet so others cannot hear it. We conveniently forget that it being so quiet also means we can barely, or may not at all, be able to hear it ourselves. Fortunately, Apple has figured this out, and thus far at least, has ignored this particular request which keeps coming up every few months. Oh, by the way, if you want to muffle VO, but still be able to hear it enough, just place your thumb over the speaker whilst keeping the mic uncovered. The mic is between the headset jack and the lightning port. The speaker is on the other side of the lightning port and goes all the way to the edge. This is, of course, on the 5 and 5S. On the older phones, the mic is on the bottom next to the side with the volume buttons. The speaker is on the other side of the bottom. The 30-pin docking port is in the middle. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Jan 2014, at 11:31, Alex Hall wrote: > > Hi all, > In another thread, someone said that Voiceover causes the iPhone to behave > differently during a call. Specifically, when VO is on, lowering the phone > from your ear enables speakerphone mode automatically. However, with VO off, > the phone does not enter this mode. Did I understand things correctly? If so, > I must say this is very annoying. I'd much rather see a gesture implemented > that will switch between the speaker and earpiece modes, so that I can hang > up, select a menu option; and so on in relative privacy. Headphones work > well, as discussed in that other thread, but there is the odd time I don't > have them. Plus, of course, everyone can't use headphones at all times. I'm > just waiting to hear from you all before writing to Apple Access bility about > this. Thanks. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. > > Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > > Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing > viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. > > Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing > viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting > http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iPhone behavior during calls without VO
Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I can see the problems that might arise, and yes, I do the speaker muffling trick all the time. :) It seems there are disadvantages to both systems. I think part of it is VO's volume while in a call. That is something Apple must have a hard time getting right, but I often find the speech volume to be shouting while those on the phone are just speaking normally. I know it used to be reversed, and people had a hard time hearing speech at all. Still, I wouldn't mind being able to lower speech volume on the fly. Of course the rotor offers this ability, but while you're trying to adjust things quickly it can be tedious to hunt through all the rotor options to find speech volume. All in ll this isn't something I'm overly worried about, especially now that you've pointed out how people might react. I guess I just like having more settings and less immovable defaults. :) On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:05 PM, David Chittenden wrote: > Yes, I did say that, and you apparently haven't read the rest of the message > about it. Here is what happens with every app where VO stays in the earpiece, > without exception. > > People start complaining on various lists that VO is broken whenever they use > the particular app because they cannot hear VO. This complaining continues > until 1) the app developer sends VO to the speaker, or 2) people cease using > the app. > > Now, what do you honestly believe will happen when a person takes the phone > away from the ear and cannot hear, or can barely here, VO? In fact, what will > you personally do? My bet is you will start complaining as loudly as > everybody else. In fact, you can test this for yourself. When on a phone > call, take the phone away from your ear. Perform a two-finger swipe up to get > VO reading the entire screen. Now, hold a couple fingers in front of, and > just a little below, the earpiece. You will very quickly notice that it is > extremely hard to hear VO talking through the earpiece when the earpiece is > away from your ear. > > Put another way, we intellectually believe that VO would be nice and quiet so > others cannot hear it. We conveniently forget that it being so quiet also > means we can barely, or may not at all, be able to hear it ourselves. > Fortunately, Apple has figured this out, and thus far at least, has ignored > this particular request which keeps coming up every few months. > > Oh, by the way, if you want to muffle VO, but still be able to hear it > enough, just place your thumb over the speaker whilst keeping the mic > uncovered. The mic is between the headset jack and the lightning port. The > speaker is on the other side of the lightning port and goes all the way to > the edge. This is, of course, on the 5 and 5S. On the older phones, the mic > is on the bottom next to the side with the volume buttons. The speaker is on > the other side of the bottom. The 30-pin docking port is in the middle. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 24 Jan 2014, at 11:31, Alex Hall wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> In another thread, someone said that Voiceover causes the iPhone to behave >> differently during a call. Specifically, when VO is on, lowering the phone >> from your ear enables speakerphone mode automatically. However, with VO off, >> the phone does not enter this mode. Did I understand things correctly? If >> so, I must say this is very annoying. I'd much rather see a gesture >> implemented that will switch between the speaker and earpiece modes, so that >> I can hang up, select a menu option; and so on in relative privacy. >> Headphones work well, as discussed in that other thread, but there is the >> odd time I don't have them. Plus, of course, everyone can't use headphones >> at all times. I'm just waiting to hear from you all before writing to Apple >> Access bility about this. Thanks. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google >> Group. >> >> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. >> >> Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> >> Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing >> viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. >> >> Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google > Group. > > Po
Re: iPhone behavior during calls without VO
First, I would not use the rotor to set VO volume. The rotor VO volume adjustment currently has a bug where if you go below 35%, VO volume gets stuck and will not go above 35% unless you do a reset of all settings. That said, if you make a call, take the phone away from your ear, do a two-finger swipe up to start reading the entire page, then bring the phone back to your ear, using the volume buttons to change VO volume will then change it relative to the phone volume. Using this method, I have placed VO where I want it for both my earpiece speaker and my speakerphone speaker. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Jan 2014, at 12:57, Alex Hall wrote: > > Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I can see the problems that might arise, > and yes, I do the speaker muffling trick all the time. :) It seems there are > disadvantages to both systems. I think part of it is VO's volume while in a > call. That is something Apple must have a hard time getting right, but I > often find the speech volume to be shouting while those on the phone are just > speaking normally. I know it used to be reversed, and people had a hard time > hearing speech at all. Still, I wouldn't mind being able to lower speech > volume on the fly. Of course the rotor offers this ability, but while you're > trying to adjust things quickly it can be tedious to hunt through all the > rotor options to find speech volume. All in ll this isn't something I'm > overly worried about, especially now that you've pointed out how people might > react. I guess I just like having more settings and less immovable defaults. > :) >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:05 PM, David Chittenden wrote: >> >> Yes, I did say that, and you apparently haven't read the rest of the message >> about it. Here is what happens with every app where VO stays in the >> earpiece, without exception. >> >> People start complaining on various lists that VO is broken whenever they >> use the particular app because they cannot hear VO. This complaining >> continues until 1) the app developer sends VO to the speaker, or 2) people >> cease using the app. >> >> Now, what do you honestly believe will happen when a person takes the phone >> away from the ear and cannot hear, or can barely here, VO? In fact, what >> will you personally do? My bet is you will start complaining as loudly as >> everybody else. In fact, you can test this for yourself. When on a phone >> call, take the phone away from your ear. Perform a two-finger swipe up to >> get VO reading the entire screen. Now, hold a couple fingers in front of, >> and just a little below, the earpiece. You will very quickly notice that it >> is extremely hard to hear VO talking through the earpiece when the earpiece >> is away from your ear. >> >> Put another way, we intellectually believe that VO would be nice and quiet >> so others cannot hear it. We conveniently forget that it being so quiet also >> means we can barely, or may not at all, be able to hear it ourselves. >> Fortunately, Apple has figured this out, and thus far at least, has ignored >> this particular request which keeps coming up every few months. >> >> Oh, by the way, if you want to muffle VO, but still be able to hear it >> enough, just place your thumb over the speaker whilst keeping the mic >> uncovered. The mic is between the headset jack and the lightning port. The >> speaker is on the other side of the lightning port and goes all the way to >> the edge. This is, of course, on the 5 and 5S. On the older phones, the mic >> is on the bottom next to the side with the volume buttons. The speaker is on >> the other side of the bottom. The 30-pin docking port is in the middle. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 24 Jan 2014, at 11:31, Alex Hall wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> In another thread, someone said that Voiceover causes the iPhone to behave >>> differently during a call. Specifically, when VO is on, lowering the phone >>> from your ear enables speakerphone mode automatically. However, with VO >>> off, the phone does not enter this mode. Did I understand things correctly? >>> If so, I must say this is very annoying. I'd much rather see a gesture >>> implemented that will switch between the speaker and earpiece modes, so >>> that I can hang up, select a menu option; and so on in relative privacy. >>> Headphones work well, as discussed in that other thread, but there is the >>> odd time I don't have them. Plus, of course, everyone can't use headphones >>> at all times. I'm just waiting to hear from you all before writing to Apple >>> Access bility about this. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> >>> Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing vipho
Re: iPhone behavior during calls without VO
That's great news, I'll give that a try. Is this setting ever lost? Does it persist at all, or do you need to do it per phone call? On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:06 PM, David Chittenden wrote: > First, I would not use the rotor to set VO volume. The rotor VO volume > adjustment currently has a bug where if you go below 35%, VO volume gets > stuck and will not go above 35% unless you do a reset of all settings. > > That said, if you make a call, take the phone away from your ear, do a > two-finger swipe up to start reading the entire page, then bring the phone > back to your ear, using the volume buttons to change VO volume will then > change it relative to the phone volume. Using this method, I have placed VO > where I want it for both my earpiece speaker and my speakerphone speaker. > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 24 Jan 2014, at 12:57, Alex Hall wrote: >> >> Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I can see the problems that might arise, >> and yes, I do the speaker muffling trick all the time. :) It seems there are >> disadvantages to both systems. I think part of it is VO's volume while in a >> call. That is something Apple must have a hard time getting right, but I >> often find the speech volume to be shouting while those on the phone are >> just speaking normally. I know it used to be reversed, and people had a hard >> time hearing speech at all. Still, I wouldn't mind being able to lower >> speech volume on the fly. Of course the rotor offers this ability, but while >> you're trying to adjust things quickly it can be tedious to hunt through all >> the rotor options to find speech volume. All in ll this isn't something I'm >> overly worried about, especially now that you've pointed out how people >> might react. I guess I just like having more settings and less immovable >> defaults. :) >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:05 PM, David Chittenden wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I did say that, and you apparently haven't read the rest of the >>> message about it. Here is what happens with every app where VO stays in the >>> earpiece, without exception. >>> >>> People start complaining on various lists that VO is broken whenever they >>> use the particular app because they cannot hear VO. This complaining >>> continues until 1) the app developer sends VO to the speaker, or 2) people >>> cease using the app. >>> >>> Now, what do you honestly believe will happen when a person takes the phone >>> away from the ear and cannot hear, or can barely here, VO? In fact, what >>> will you personally do? My bet is you will start complaining as loudly as >>> everybody else. In fact, you can test this for yourself. When on a phone >>> call, take the phone away from your ear. Perform a two-finger swipe up to >>> get VO reading the entire screen. Now, hold a couple fingers in front of, >>> and just a little below, the earpiece. You will very quickly notice that it >>> is extremely hard to hear VO talking through the earpiece when the earpiece >>> is away from your ear. >>> >>> Put another way, we intellectually believe that VO would be nice and quiet >>> so others cannot hear it. We conveniently forget that it being so quiet >>> also means we can barely, or may not at all, be able to hear it ourselves. >>> Fortunately, Apple has figured this out, and thus far at least, has ignored >>> this particular request which keeps coming up every few months. >>> >>> Oh, by the way, if you want to muffle VO, but still be able to hear it >>> enough, just place your thumb over the speaker whilst keeping the mic >>> uncovered. The mic is between the headset jack and the lightning port. The >>> speaker is on the other side of the lightning port and goes all the way to >>> the edge. This is, of course, on the 5 and 5S. On the older phones, the mic >>> is on the bottom next to the side with the volume buttons. The speaker is >>> on the other side of the bottom. The 30-pin docking port is in the middle. >>> >>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On 24 Jan 2014, at 11:31, Alex Hall wrote: Hi all, In another thread, someone said that Voiceover causes the iPhone to behave differently during a call. Specifically, when VO is on, lowering the phone from your ear enables speakerphone mode automatically. However, with VO off, the phone does not enter this mode. Did I understand things correctly? If so, I must say this is very annoying. I'd much rather see a gesture implemented that will switch between the speaker and earpiece modes, so that I can hang up, select a menu option; and so on in relative privacy. Headphones work well, as discussed in that other thread, but there is the odd time I don't have them. Plus, of course, everyone can't use headphones at all times. I'm just wa
Re: iPhone behavior during calls without VO
It usually persists. A few people with 4s reported the setting not being retained. It has always held for me. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Jan 2014, at 15:13, Alex Hall wrote: > > That's great news, I'll give that a try. Is this setting ever lost? Does it > persist at all, or do you need to do it per phone call? >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:06 PM, David Chittenden wrote: >> >> First, I would not use the rotor to set VO volume. The rotor VO volume >> adjustment currently has a bug where if you go below 35%, VO volume gets >> stuck and will not go above 35% unless you do a reset of all settings. >> >> That said, if you make a call, take the phone away from your ear, do a >> two-finger swipe up to start reading the entire page, then bring the phone >> back to your ear, using the volume buttons to change VO volume will then >> change it relative to the phone volume. Using this method, I have placed VO >> where I want it for both my earpiece speaker and my speakerphone speaker. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 24 Jan 2014, at 12:57, Alex Hall wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I can see the problems that might arise, >>> and yes, I do the speaker muffling trick all the time. :) It seems there >>> are disadvantages to both systems. I think part of it is VO's volume while >>> in a call. That is something Apple must have a hard time getting right, but >>> I often find the speech volume to be shouting while those on the phone are >>> just speaking normally. I know it used to be reversed, and people had a >>> hard time hearing speech at all. Still, I wouldn't mind being able to lower >>> speech volume on the fly. Of course the rotor offers this ability, but >>> while you're trying to adjust things quickly it can be tedious to hunt >>> through all the rotor options to find speech volume. All in ll this isn't >>> something I'm overly worried about, especially now that you've pointed out >>> how people might react. I guess I just like having more settings and less >>> immovable defaults. :) On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:05 PM, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, I did say that, and you apparently haven't read the rest of the message about it. Here is what happens with every app where VO stays in the earpiece, without exception. People start complaining on various lists that VO is broken whenever they use the particular app because they cannot hear VO. This complaining continues until 1) the app developer sends VO to the speaker, or 2) people cease using the app. Now, what do you honestly believe will happen when a person takes the phone away from the ear and cannot hear, or can barely here, VO? In fact, what will you personally do? My bet is you will start complaining as loudly as everybody else. In fact, you can test this for yourself. When on a phone call, take the phone away from your ear. Perform a two-finger swipe up to get VO reading the entire screen. Now, hold a couple fingers in front of, and just a little below, the earpiece. You will very quickly notice that it is extremely hard to hear VO talking through the earpiece when the earpiece is away from your ear. Put another way, we intellectually believe that VO would be nice and quiet so others cannot hear it. We conveniently forget that it being so quiet also means we can barely, or may not at all, be able to hear it ourselves. Fortunately, Apple has figured this out, and thus far at least, has ignored this particular request which keeps coming up every few months. Oh, by the way, if you want to muffle VO, but still be able to hear it enough, just place your thumb over the speaker whilst keeping the mic uncovered. The mic is between the headset jack and the lightning port. The speaker is on the other side of the lightning port and goes all the way to the edge. This is, of course, on the 5 and 5S. On the older phones, the mic is on the bottom next to the side with the volume buttons. The speaker is on the other side of the bottom. The 30-pin docking port is in the middle. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 24 Jan 2014, at 11:31, Alex Hall wrote: > > Hi all, > In another thread, someone said that Voiceover causes the iPhone to > behave differently during a call. Specifically, when VO is on, lowering > the phone from your ear enables speakerphone mode automatically. However, > with VO off, the phone does not enter this mode. Did I understand things > correctly? If so, I must say this is very annoying. I'd much rathe
