Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone

[Cheryl Homiak]

I think sometimes people don't understand that if you reply to somebody's 
message, what you write is part of that thread. I know that years ago when I 
started emailing I didn't understand this at all. If you want to start a new 
topic and not hijack somebody's thread, it isn't enough to just change the 
subject line. You need to start a new email with your new subject rather than 
doing it as a reply to some other message to that list. I remember early on in 
my Internet experience having somebody really bawl me out for this and it was 
pure ignorance on my part. You can argue whether I should have known better, 
should have understood about threads on email lists, but I truly didn't. I did 
finally figure it out one day on my own, but I don't remember ever having it 
explained to me because it was assumed it should be obvious.

I hope this helps anybody who doesn't understand about threads. The other thing 
that often happens is that the focus of a thread does indeed change but people 
don't bother to change the subject line.

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




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Re: Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

what I asked on the bria thread was if you could have it go to speaker 
phone like you do when you are in a cell call.
seagurt I apologise if I am miss spelling your name responded with it 
can not be done that feature was a apple only feature.
he answered my question.  and I posted no more on the thread. until I 
got a email from ari saying I hijacked the thread. am trying to 
understandwhere I replied to abook share thread about bria cause I 
remember posting that thread in a separate message.

 On 1/1/2015 9:02 AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
I think sometimes people don't understand that if you reply to 
somebody's message, what you write is part of that thread. I know that 
years ago when I started emailing I didn't understand this at all. If 
you want to start a new topic and not hijack somebody's thread, it 
isn't enough to just change the subject line. You need to start a new 
email with your new subject rather than doing it as a reply to some 
other message to that list. I remember early on in my Internet 
experience having somebody really bawl me out for this and it was pure 
ignorance on my part. You can argue whether I should have known 
better, should have understood about threads on email lists, but I 
truly didn't. I did finally figure it out one day on my own, but I 
don't remember ever having it explained to me because it was assumed 
it should be obvious.


I hope this helps anybody who doesn't understand about threads. The 
other thing that often happens is that the focus of a thread does 
indeed change but people don't bother to change the subject line.


--
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




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RE: Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone

[Alan Lemly]

My own confusion with understanding thread hijacking came from using Outlook
on my computer for years for email. When you review emails individually in
POP format using Outlook, it is not clear when you reply to a message and
change the subject that you've run afoul of list etiquette. The new message
you created will be treated as such on your computer with Outlook when it's
downloaded via POP. However, as many more of us are now checking our email
using our iDevices in an IMAP environment, the hidden metadata in the
message continues to link it to its source thread and when the subject is
changed, the thread is hijacked causing the resulting irritation for those
checking mail with their iDevices' mail app.

 

Alan Lemly

 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking discussion of
Bookshare to bria softphone

 

I think sometimes people don't understand that if you reply to somebody's
message, what you write is part of that thread. I know that years ago when I
started emailing I didn't understand this at all. If you want to start a new
topic and not hijack somebody's thread, it isn't enough to just change the
subject line. You need to start a new email with your new subject rather
than doing it as a reply to some other message to that list. I remember
early on in my Internet experience having somebody really bawl me out for
this and it was pure ignorance on my part. You can argue whether I should
have known better, should have understood about threads on email lists, but
I truly didn't. I did finally figure it out one day on my own, but I don't
remember ever having it explained to me because it was assumed it should be
obvious.

 

I hope this helps anybody who doesn't understand about threads. The other
thing that often happens is that the focus of a thread does indeed change
but people don't bother to change the subject line.

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

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Re: Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't think this has anything to do with POP or Outlook. You can read 
threaded messages in POP just like you can in IMAP. Also, clients have 
been supporting conversations or threads for quite a while, such as 
Thunderbird, Lotus Notes or Outlook. It is true that if you don't use a 
threaded client, you don't realize how your message could go unnoticed 
when you hijack a thread but that's why you shouldn't assume everyone 
else reads email the same way you do and you should listen to the 
moderators and others on the list when they point out things like 
hijacking threads and not changing subject lines.


On 01/01/2015 02:59 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:

My own confusion with understanding thread hijacking came from using
Outlook on my computer for years for email. When you review emails
individually in POP format using Outlook, it is not clear when you reply
to a message and change the subject that you've run afoul of list
etiquette. The new message you created will be treated as such on your
computer with Outlook when it's downloaded via POP. However, as many
more of us are now checking our email using our iDevices in an IMAP
environment, the hidden metadata in the message continues to link it to
its source thread and when the subject is changed, the thread is
hijacked causing the resulting irritation for those checking mail with
their iDevices' mail app.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Cheryl Homiak
*Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:03 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking
discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone

I think sometimes people don't understand that if you reply to
somebody's message, what you write is part of that thread. I know that
years ago when I started emailing I didn't understand this at all. If
you want to start a new topic and not hijack somebody's thread, it isn't
enough to just change the subject line. You need to start a new email
with your new subject rather than doing it as a reply to some other
message to that list. I remember early on in my Internet experience
having somebody really bawl me out for this and it was pure ignorance on
my part. You can argue whether I should have known better, should have
understood about threads on email lists, but I truly didn't. I did
finally figure it out one day on my own, but I don't remember ever
having it explained to me because it was assumed it should be obvious.

I hope this helps anybody who doesn't understand about threads. The
other thing that often happens is that the focus of a thread does indeed
change but people don't bother to change the subject line.

--

Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

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Re: Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone

[Teresa Cochran]

Yes, the best thing to do when starting your own subject is to ignore the reply 
button and hit Compose or New Message. The reply button is for continuing a 
conversation; the new or compose button is for starting one.

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jan 1, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I don't think this has anything to do with POP or Outlook. You can read 
> threaded messages in POP just like you can in IMAP. Also, clients have been 
> supporting conversations or threads for quite a while, such as Thunderbird, 
> Lotus Notes or Outlook. It is true that if you don't use a threaded client, 
> you don't realize how your message could go unnoticed when you hijack a 
> thread but that's why you shouldn't assume everyone else reads email the same 
> way you do and you should listen to the moderators and others on the list 
> when they point out things like hijacking threads and not changing subject 
> lines.
> 
>> On 01/01/2015 02:59 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>> My own confusion with understanding thread hijacking came from using
>> Outlook on my computer for years for email. When you review emails
>> individually in POP format using Outlook, it is not clear when you reply
>> to a message and change the subject that you've run afoul of list
>> etiquette. The new message you created will be treated as such on your
>> computer with Outlook when it's downloaded via POP. However, as many
>> more of us are now checking our email using our iDevices in an IMAP
>> environment, the hidden metadata in the message continues to link it to
>> its source thread and when the subject is changed, the thread is
>> hijacked causing the resulting irritation for those checking mail with
>> their iDevices' mail app.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cheryl Homiak
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:03 AM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking
>> discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone
>> 
>> I think sometimes people don't understand that if you reply to
>> somebody's message, what you write is part of that thread. I know that
>> years ago when I started emailing I didn't understand this at all. If
>> you want to start a new topic and not hijack somebody's thread, it isn't
>> enough to just change the subject line. You need to start a new email
>> with your new subject rather than doing it as a reply to some other
>> message to that list. I remember early on in my Internet experience
>> having somebody really bawl me out for this and it was pure ignorance on
>> my part. You can argue whether I should have known better, should have
>> understood about threads on email lists, but I truly didn't. I did
>> finally figure it out one day on my own, but I don't remember ever
>> having it explained to me because it was assumed it should be obvious.
>> 
>> I hope this helps anybody who doesn't understand about threads. The
>> other thing that often happens is that the focus of a thread does indeed
>> change but people don't bother to change the subject line.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> 
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> 
>> thrown in the trash!
>> 
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> 
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> 
>> And now, every day:
>> 
>> "This I call to mind,
>> 
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> 
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> 
>> never ceases;
>> 
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> 
>> they are new every morning;
>> 
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> 
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
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Re: Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone

[Gmail]

I'm sorry for snapping. It's just really frustrating when you're reading a 
thread on a certain subject, and then the thread change something else. This 
can happen either because someone replies and changes the subject, or because 
someone replies but keeps the same subject, and starts talking about something 
else entirely. Both things are annoying. It's better to just start a new email 
entirely, rather than replying to an email if you know that the thing that you 
want to talk about is different than what's being discussed already.


Thanks,
Ari


> On Jan 1, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I don't think this has anything to do with POP or Outlook. You can read 
> threaded messages in POP just like you can in IMAP. Also, clients have been 
> supporting conversations or threads for quite a while, such as Thunderbird, 
> Lotus Notes or Outlook. It is true that if you don't use a threaded client, 
> you don't realize how your message could go unnoticed when you hijack a 
> thread but that's why you shouldn't assume everyone else reads email the same 
> way you do and you should listen to the moderators and others on the list 
> when they point out things like hijacking threads and not changing subject 
> lines.
> 
>> On 01/01/2015 02:59 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>> My own confusion with understanding thread hijacking came from using
>> Outlook on my computer for years for email. When you review emails
>> individually in POP format using Outlook, it is not clear when you reply
>> to a message and change the subject that you've run afoul of list
>> etiquette. The new message you created will be treated as such on your
>> computer with Outlook when it's downloaded via POP. However, as many
>> more of us are now checking our email using our iDevices in an IMAP
>> environment, the hidden metadata in the message continues to link it to
>> its source thread and when the subject is changed, the thread is
>> hijacked causing the resulting irritation for those checking mail with
>> their iDevices' mail app.
>> 
>> Alan Lemly
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cheryl Homiak
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:03 AM
>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking
>> discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone
>> 
>> I think sometimes people don't understand that if you reply to
>> somebody's message, what you write is part of that thread. I know that
>> years ago when I started emailing I didn't understand this at all. If
>> you want to start a new topic and not hijack somebody's thread, it isn't
>> enough to just change the subject line. You need to start a new email
>> with your new subject rather than doing it as a reply to some other
>> message to that list. I remember early on in my Internet experience
>> having somebody really bawl me out for this and it was pure ignorance on
>> my part. You can argue whether I should have known better, should have
>> understood about threads on email lists, but I truly didn't. I did
>> finally figure it out one day on my own, but I don't remember ever
>> having it explained to me because it was assumed it should be obvious.
>> 
>> I hope this helps anybody who doesn't understand about threads. The
>> other thing that often happens is that the focus of a thread does indeed
>> change but people don't bother to change the subject line.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> 
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
>> 
>> thrown in the trash!
>> 
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> 
>> His joy for my despairing tears!
>> 
>> And now, every day:
>> 
>> "This I call to mind,
>> 
>> and therefore I have hope:
>> 
>> The steadfast love of the Lord
>> 
>> never ceases;
>> 
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> 
>> they are new every morning;
>> 
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> 
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
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Re: Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone

[Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona]

its no problem
how ever please  double check on your emails before you go saying some 
one hijacked a thread especially when the email you are refering to was 
not hijacked by me.  like I said I don't even use bookshare on the phone 
and I did not even reply to that thread

take care
Hank

 On 1/2/2015 11:57 AM, Gmail wrote:

I'm sorry for snapping. It's just really frustrating when you're reading a 
thread on a certain subject, and then the thread change something else. This 
can happen either because someone replies and changes the subject, or because 
someone replies but keeps the same subject, and starts talking about something 
else entirely. Both things are annoying. It's better to just start a new email 
entirely, rather than replying to an email if you know that the thing that you 
want to talk about is different than what's being discussed already.


Thanks,
Ari



On Jan 1, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:

I don't think this has anything to do with POP or Outlook. You can read 
threaded messages in POP just like you can in IMAP. Also, clients have been 
supporting conversations or threads for quite a while, such as Thunderbird, 
Lotus Notes or Outlook. It is true that if you don't use a threaded client, you 
don't realize how your message could go unnoticed when you hijack a thread but 
that's why you shouldn't assume everyone else reads email the same way you do 
and you should listen to the moderators and others on the list when they point 
out things like hijacking threads and not changing subject lines.


On 01/01/2015 02:59 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
My own confusion with understanding thread hijacking came from using
Outlook on my computer for years for email. When you review emails
individually in POP format using Outlook, it is not clear when you reply
to a message and change the subject that you've run afoul of list
etiquette. The new message you created will be treated as such on your
computer with Outlook when it's downloaded via POP. However, as many
more of us are now checking our email using our iDevices in an IMAP
environment, the hidden metadata in the message continues to link it to
its source thread and when the subject is changed, the thread is
hijacked causing the resulting irritation for those checking mail with
their iDevices' mail app.

Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Cheryl Homiak
*Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:03 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking
discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone

I think sometimes people don't understand that if you reply to
somebody's message, what you write is part of that thread. I know that
years ago when I started emailing I didn't understand this at all. If
you want to start a new topic and not hijack somebody's thread, it isn't
enough to just change the subject line. You need to start a new email
with your new subject rather than doing it as a reply to some other
message to that list. I remember early on in my Internet experience
having somebody really bawl me out for this and it was pure ignorance on
my part. You can argue whether I should have known better, should have
understood about threads on email lists, but I truly didn't. I did
finally figure it out one day on my own, but I don't remember ever
having it explained to me because it was assumed it should be obvious.

I hope this helps anybody who doesn't understand about threads. The
other thing that often happens is that the focus of a thread does indeed
change but people don't bother to change the subject line.

--

Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

"This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness."

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

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Re: Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone

[Dave Sheridan]

Hi 

It did appear that the thread was hijacked as Ari said as the emails were 
grouped together. I also accept what you say Hank but trust me, it did appear 
on first glance that the Bookshare thread was hijacked. It's impossible to show 
this as several emails are grouped together. I checked back on your original 
email and this doesn't appear to be in response to to a bookshare email. 

Dave

Sent from my iPhone

> On 2 Jan 2015, at 20:17, "Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona" 
>  wrote:
> 
> its no problem
> how ever please  double check on your emails before you go saying some one 
> hijacked a thread especially when the email you are refering to was not 
> hijacked by me.  like I said I don't even use bookshare on the phone and I 
> did not even reply to that thread
> take care
> Hank
> 
>> On 1/2/2015 11:57 AM, Gmail wrote:
>> I'm sorry for snapping. It's just really frustrating when you're reading a 
>> thread on a certain subject, and then the thread change something else. This 
>> can happen either because someone replies and changes the subject, or 
>> because someone replies but keeps the same subject, and starts talking about 
>> something else entirely. Both things are annoying. It's better to just start 
>> a new email entirely, rather than replying to an email if you know that the 
>> thing that you want to talk about is different than what's being discussed 
>> already.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 1, 2015, at 6:31 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think this has anything to do with POP or Outlook. You can read 
>>> threaded messages in POP just like you can in IMAP. Also, clients have been 
>>> supporting conversations or threads for quite a while, such as Thunderbird, 
>>> Lotus Notes or Outlook. It is true that if you don't use a threaded client, 
>>> you don't realize how your message could go unnoticed when you hijack a 
>>> thread but that's why you shouldn't assume everyone else reads email the 
>>> same way you do and you should listen to the moderators and others on the 
>>> list when they point out things like hijacking threads and not changing 
>>> subject lines.
>>> 
>>>> On 01/01/2015 02:59 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
>>>> My own confusion with understanding thread hijacking came from using
>>>> Outlook on my computer for years for email. When you review emails
>>>> individually in POP format using Outlook, it is not clear when you reply
>>>> to a message and change the subject that you've run afoul of list
>>>> etiquette. The new message you created will be treated as such on your
>>>> computer with Outlook when it's downloaded via POP. However, as many
>>>> more of us are now checking our email using our iDevices in an IMAP
>>>> environment, the hidden metadata in the message continues to link it to
>>>> its source thread and when the subject is changed, the thread is
>>>> hijacked causing the resulting irritation for those checking mail with
>>>> their iDevices' mail app.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Lemly
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Cheryl Homiak
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2015 10:03 AM
>>>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* Threads: this is in response to the thread hijacking
>>>> discussion of Bookshare to bria softphone
>>>> 
>>>> I think sometimes people don't understand that if you reply to
>>>> somebody's message, what you write is part of that thread. I know that
>>>> years ago when I started emailing I didn't understand this at all. If
>>>> you want to start a new topic and not hijack somebody's thread, it isn't
>>>> enough to just change the subject line. You need to start a new email
>>>> with your new subject rather than doing it as a reply to some other
>>>> message to that list. I remember early on in my Internet experience
>>>> having somebody really bawl me out for this and it was pure ignorance on
>>>> my part. You can argue whether I should have known better, should have
>>>> understood about threads on email lists, but I truly didn't. I did
>>>> finally figure it out one day on my own, but I don't remember ever
>>>> having it explained to me becaus