Re: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation
Hi Richard, Sorry. I thought you said you switched to All Punctuation. If you have it set to Some, I don't think you'll hear the commas. Best, Anna > On Oct 2, 2021, at 2:56 PM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > Ann, > Do you understand there are no commas and I never screwed around with the > punctuation settings? > As default behavior; this sucks! > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > -- Jane Wagner > > > > > > website: www.turner42.com > > (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro) > >> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Anna Dresner wrote: >> >> Hi Richard, >> >> The commas are probably there to slow down how quickly VoiceOver speaks what >> is being deleted. Punctuation groups are a nice feature that was added a >> couple of years ago. I suggest making a new group. You base a group on one >> of the existing groups and can then make modifications as needed. You can >> also change how VoiceOver pronounces certain things. for example, I have it >> pronounce braces as "Left brace" and "Right brace" instead of "Left curly >> bracket" and "Right curly bracket." Since most text-to-speech engines pause >> for commas, you could have it not speak commas to fix the deletion issue. >> >> Best, >> Anna >> >> >>> On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner >>> wrote: >>> >>> I just noticed something new under Verbosity punctuation. >>> Something called Punctuation groups. I was looking to see if they had >>> added a more option instead of just All, Some, or None and found this new >>> setting. >>> I'm not sure what it would do for you, but yes, all punctuation means all. >>> But, there is also a bug that I hope others will report to Apple. >>> While editing text, each time you delete a letter, VoiceOver says "comma d" >>> or "comma s" it says the word "comma" when no comma was written. Very >>> annoying. Perhaps it is also reading spaces as commas? I have no use for >>> hearing punctuation as I write with braille since I have the display to >>> feel; but if using the Orbit Writer, that could be useful. >>> >>> Contacting Apple would be my next step. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard >>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with >>> it." - Jane Wagner >>> >>> My Web site: >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C39b69d9ea9a0477749fe08d985c6edba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637687911703764275%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=nflxcHQIKTUfCq5Kq2vpOKcHRgfphL6y4nK6kOGpVG0%3Dreserved=0 >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone >>> Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:09 AM >>> To: Abridged Recipients >>> Subject: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation >>> >>> How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or >>> question mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set >>> verbosity punctuation to "some", none of them are voiced. If I set >>> verbosity to "all", VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when >>> navigating e.g. when focus in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, >>> VoiceOver says "unread comma Apple TV comma" >>> Harry >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C39b69d9ea9a0477749fe08d985c6edba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637687911703764275%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiL
Re: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation
Ann, Do you understand there are no commas and I never screwed around with the punctuation settings? As default behavior; this sucks! Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- Jane Wagner website: www.turner42.com (Sent with my blue iPhone 13 Pro) On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Richard, The commas are probably there to slow down how quickly VoiceOver speaks what is being deleted. Punctuation groups are a nice feature that was added a couple of years ago. I suggest making a new group. You base a group on one of the existing groups and can then make modifications as needed. You can also change how VoiceOver pronounces certain things. for example, I have it pronounce braces as "Left brace" and "Right brace" instead of "Left curly bracket" and "Right curly bracket." Since most text-to-speech engines pause for commas, you could have it not speak commas to fix the deletion issue. Best, Anna On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner wrote: I just noticed something new under Verbosity punctuation. Something called Punctuation groups. I was looking to see if they had added a more option instead of just All, Some, or None and found this new setting. I'm not sure what it would do for you, but yes, all punctuation means all. But, there is also a bug that I hope others will report to Apple. While editing text, each time you delete a letter, VoiceOver says "comma d" or "comma s" it says the word "comma" when no comma was written. Very annoying. Perhaps it is also reading spaces as commas? I have no use for hearing punctuation as I write with braille since I have the display to feel; but if using the Orbit Writer, that could be useful. Contacting Apple would be my next step. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner My Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C39b69d9ea9a0477749fe08d985c6edba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637687911703764275%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=nflxcHQIKTUfCq5Kq2vpOKcHRgfphL6y4nK6kOGpVG0%3Dreserved=0 -Original Message- From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:09 AM To: Abridged Recipients Subject: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or question mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set verbosity punctuation to "some", none of them are voiced. If I set verbosity to "all", VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when navigating e.g. when focus in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, VoiceOver says "unread comma Apple TV comma" Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C39b69d9ea9a0477749fe08d985c6edba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637687911703764275%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=Y5TKHNQUodO1QgDmmZNzS2ddZ881pu5P97jEAWph6Hg%3Dreserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F6D3459C0-9C61-47DC-A8D9-ADFC21E62973%2540icloud.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7C39b69d9ea9a0477749fe08d985c6edba%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637687911703764275%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=F2N3NtGA2lIbN%2FWDt%2BFlSOvaAcaZuIlH25cdRT4r4zA%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Yo
Re: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation
Hi Richard, The commas are probably there to slow down how quickly VoiceOver speaks what is being deleted. Punctuation groups are a nice feature that was added a couple of years ago. I suggest making a new group. You base a group on one of the existing groups and can then make modifications as needed. You can also change how VoiceOver pronounces certain things. for example, I have it pronounce braces as "Left brace" and "Right brace" instead of "Left curly bracket" and "Right curly bracket." Since most text-to-speech engines pause for commas, you could have it not speak commas to fix the deletion issue. Best, Anna > On Oct 2, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Richard Turner > wrote: > > I just noticed something new under Verbosity punctuation. > Something called Punctuation groups. I was looking to see if they had added > a more option instead of just All, Some, or None and found this new setting. > I'm not sure what it would do for you, but yes, all punctuation means all. > But, there is also a bug that I hope others will report to Apple. > While editing text, each time you delete a letter, VoiceOver says "comma d" > or "comma s" it says the word "comma" when no comma was written. Very > annoying. Perhaps it is also reading spaces as commas? I have no use for > hearing punctuation as I write with braille since I have the display to feel; > but if using the Orbit Writer, that could be useful. > > Contacting Apple would be my next step. > > > > > Richard > "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." > - Jane Wagner > > My Web site: https://www.turner42.com > > > -Original Message----- > From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone > Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:09 AM > To: Abridged Recipients > Subject: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation > > How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or > question mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set > verbosity punctuation to "some", none of them are voiced. If I set verbosity > to "all", VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when navigating e.g. > when focus in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, VoiceOver says > "unread comma Apple TV comma" > Harry > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C1aa4be495e984332382308d9857be647%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637687589449428297%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=FkSVHt3oUJYNSfDJRZkcaBAg1J90aWw7MM3E0xYML2w%3Dreserved=0 > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F6D3459C0-9C61-47DC-A8D9-ADFC21E62973%2540icloud.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7C1aa4be495e984332382308d9857be647%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637687589449428297%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=pglBzgnn1XJG49f%2BQWWFnPBQYoSRgQtPRRuCqtlpslk%3Dreserved=0. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: > mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this gro
RE: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation
I just noticed something new under Verbosity punctuation. Something called Punctuation groups. I was looking to see if they had added a more option instead of just All, Some, or None and found this new setting. I'm not sure what it would do for you, but yes, all punctuation means all. But, there is also a bug that I hope others will report to Apple. While editing text, each time you delete a letter, VoiceOver says "comma d" or "comma s" it says the word "comma" when no comma was written. Very annoying. Perhaps it is also reading spaces as commas? I have no use for hearing punctuation as I write with braille since I have the display to feel; but if using the Orbit Writer, that could be useful. Contacting Apple would be my next step. Richard "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." - Jane Wagner My Web site: https://www.turner42.com -Original Message- From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 1:09 AM To: Abridged Recipients Subject: VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or question mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set verbosity punctuation to "some", none of them are voiced. If I set verbosity to "all", VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when navigating e.g. when focus in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, VoiceOver says "unread comma Apple TV comma" Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mail-archive.com%2Fviphone%40googlegroups.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C1aa4be495e984332382308d9857be647%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637687589449428297%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=FkSVHt3oUJYNSfDJRZkcaBAg1J90aWw7MM3E0xYML2w%3Dreserved=0 --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgroups.google.com%2Fd%2Fmsgid%2Fviphone%2F6D3459C0-9C61-47DC-A8D9-ADFC21E62973%2540icloud.comdata=04%7C01%7C%7C1aa4be495e984332382308d9857be647%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637687589449428297%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=pglBzgnn1XJG49f%2BQWWFnPBQYoSRgQtPRRuCqtlpslk%3Dreserved=0. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MW4PR17MB4513E7A27A3BF41F0F52A662B7AC9%40MW4PR17MB4513.namprd17.prod.outlook.com.
VoiceOver verbosity settings - punctuation
How can I get VoiceOver to announce a comma, full stop, exclamation or question mark while typing with my Orbit Writer Braille keyboard? If I set verbosity punctuation to “some”, none of them are voiced. If I set verbosity to “all”, VoiceOver announces commas all over the place when navigating e.g. when focus in my list of emails falls on one from Apple TV, VoiceOver says “unread comma Apple TV comma” Harry -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6D3459C0-9C61-47DC-A8D9-ADFC21E62973%40icloud.com.
