Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Judy Pryor]

My daughter who did not have 2 step verification on her phone told me she had 
updated to IOS 11 with out having  to have the 2 factor authentication.  Is 
that right? I do not have 2 step verification on my phone.
Judy`
> On 3 Oct 2017, at 18:42, Carl de Campos <carljdecam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Sieghard,
> 
> Thanks very much
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks / regards
> 
> Carl de Campos
> Email:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
> Cell:  0614184262
> 
> Sent from my Iphone
> 
> 
>> On 03 Oct 2017, at 16:59, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Carl,
>> 
>> If you don't have any 32 bit apps left than tapping on Settings > General > 
>> About > Applications does nothing.
>> It only presents a list of apps if you still have any 32 bit apps.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Carl John de Campos
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:24 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> If you tap on Settings / General / About / Apps, it should give you a list 
>> of apps that may slow down your phone on IOS 11 if not update made available.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks / Regards
>> Carl de Campos
>> South Africa
>> SQL DBA
>> Business Connection
>> Cell:  0614184262
>> E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
>> My Youtube  channel:  
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg
>> 
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>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of dacia.l...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> I am not sure yet if I will upgrade or not or if I will wait. When I tried 
>> the check to see what apps need to be updated to iOS 11, nothing happened 
>> when I tapped on apps after I went into settings, general, and about. Any 
>> suggestions?
>> Dacia
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Michael Irons <leomik...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are 
>>> too many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the 
>>> biggies.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
>>>> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
>>>> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
>>>> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
>>>> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Nancy
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>>>>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very 
>>>>> slow working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>>>>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>>>>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>>>>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>>>>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even 
>>>>> not with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones 
>>>>> back to factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>>>>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>>>>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>>>>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>>>>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>>>>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>>>>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for 
>>>>> the bugs, I DO!
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy B

Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

I am using iPhone SE and already using latest update of version 11. I
didn't face any issue, in fact my SE is working fine with voice over,
seeri is working perfectly, there is no issue in notification, and I
didn't have to setup my phone from the scretch, yes I do accept, the
battery drain is rapid in comparison to erlier version.

On 10/3/17, dollar...@gmail.com <dollar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a
> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is
> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either
> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this
> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nancy
>>
>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow
>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios
>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to
>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even
>> not with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones
>> back to factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with
>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and
>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or
>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that
>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for
>> the bugs, I DO!
>>
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
>> errors.
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like over-all
>>> it's working well but a few new little things to get use to.  Any
>>> thoughts?
>>>
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Carl de Campos]

Thanks Sieghard,

Thanks very much



Thanks / regards

Carl de Campos
Email:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
Cell:  0614184262

Sent from my Iphone


> On 03 Oct 2017, at 16:59, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi Carl,
> 
> If you don't have any 32 bit apps left than tapping on Settings > General > 
> About > Applications does nothing.
> It only presents a list of apps if you still have any 32 bit apps.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Carl John de Campos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> If you tap on Settings / General / About / Apps, it should give you a list of 
> apps that may slow down your phone on IOS 11 if not update made available.
> 
> 
> Thanks / Regards
> Carl de Campos
> South Africa
> SQL DBA
> Business Connection
> Cell:  0614184262
> E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
> My Youtube  channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg
> 
> “Blindness is not an Obstacle, but a Challenge”
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> dacia.l...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
> 
> I am not sure yet if I will upgrade or not or if I will wait. When I tried 
> the check to see what apps need to be updated to iOS 11, nothing happened 
> when I tapped on apps after I went into settings, general, and about. Any 
> suggestions?
> Dacia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Michael Irons <leomik...@cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are 
>> too many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the biggies.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
>>> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
>>> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
>>> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
>>> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Nancy
>>>> 
>>>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>>>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
>>>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>>>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>>>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>>>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>>>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even 
>>>> not with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones 
>>>> back to factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>>>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>>>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>>>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>>>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>>>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>>>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for 
>>>> the bugs, I DO!
>>>> 
>>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>>> 
>>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents..
>>>> Nancy
>>>> 
>>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> 
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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Carl,

If you don't have any 32 bit apps left than tapping on Settings > General > 
About > Applications does nothing.
It only presents a list of apps if you still have any 32 bit apps.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carl John de Campos
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 6:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi there,

If you tap on Settings / General / About / Apps, it should give you a list of 
apps that may slow down your phone on IOS 11 if not update made available.


Thanks / Regards
Carl de Campos
South Africa
SQL DBA
Business Connection
Cell:  0614184262
E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
My Youtube  channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg

“Blindness is not an Obstacle, but a Challenge”

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dacia.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not sure yet if I will upgrade or not or if I will wait. When I tried the 
check to see what apps need to be updated to iOS 11, nothing happened when I 
tapped on apps after I went into settings, general, and about. Any suggestions?
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Michael Irons <leomik...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are too 
> many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the biggies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
>> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
>> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
>> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
>> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nancy
>>> 
>>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
>>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not 
>>> with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to 
>>> factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
>>> bugs, I DO!
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents..
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Executive Director of Counseling
> 
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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Carl John de Campos]

Hi there,

If you tap on Settings / General / About / Apps, it should give you a list of 
apps that may slow down your phone on IOS 11 if not update made available.


Thanks / Regards
Carl de Campos
South Africa
SQL DBA
Business Connection
Cell:  0614184262
E-mail:  carljdecam...@gmail.com
My Youtube  channel:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo6pgDobJut1AxNypVAOcqg

“Blindness is not an Obstacle, but a Challenge”

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
dacia.l...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not sure yet if I will upgrade or not or if I will wait. When I tried the 
check to see what apps need to be updated to iOS 11, nothing happened when I 
tapped on apps after I went into settings, general, and about. Any suggestions?
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Michael Irons <leomik...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are too 
> many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the biggies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
>> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
>> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
>> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
>> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nancy
>>> 
>>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
>>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not 
>>> with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to 
>>> factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
>>> bugs, I DO!
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents..
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Executive Director of Counseling
> 
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[dacia . luck]

I am not sure yet if I will upgrade or not or if I will wait. When I tried the 
check to see what apps need to be updated to iOS 11, nothing happened when I 
tapped on apps after I went into settings, general, and about. Any suggestions?
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Michael Irons <leomik...@cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are too 
> many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the biggies.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
>> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
>> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
>> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
>> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Nancy
>>> 
>>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
>>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not 
>>> with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to 
>>> factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
>>> bugs, I DO!
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents..
>>> Nancy
>>> 
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Executive Director of Counseling
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Michael Irons]

Well now, I am sticking with iOS 10. I am not upgrading because there are too 
many bags, battery drain and voiceover not working is two of the biggies.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 1:48 AM, dollar...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a 
> very good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is 
> explaining the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either 
> because it is not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this 
> heap.  Cheers,  Scott Dollar 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Nancy
>> 
>> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
>> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
>> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
>> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
>> 11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
>> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
>> start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not 
>> with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to 
>> factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
>> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
>> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
>> start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
>> slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
>> bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
>> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
>> bugs, I DO!
>> 
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents..
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling

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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[dollar031]

Hi,  Sorry for a delay and late to response.  I wanted to add.  There is a very 
good info on the Applevis website because there is a blog that is explaining 
the reason.   Www.applevis.com. I am not going to upade either because it is 
not a very good idea for the braille users too.  Hope this heap.  Cheers,  
Scott Dollar 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nancy
> 
> This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
> There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
> working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
> A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 11.01 
> and she has got serious battery drain effect.
> One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to start 
> voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not with a 
> hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to factory 
> settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
> I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
> voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and start 
> from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or slugishness but 
> this is eventually not true knowing about friends that bought fresh new 
> iphones with the use of voiceover.
> Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
> bugs, I DO!
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- From: Nancy Badger
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
> 
> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents.
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Executive Director of Counseling
> Old Dominion University
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like over-all
>> it's working well but a few new little things to get use to.  Any
>> thoughts?
>> 
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, sounds good, but the way I use my devices, iPhone 6s in particular, the 
bugs present I can deal with. But then again, I have a high tolerance for bugs. 
So I am one for upgrading for sure.

> On 29 Sep 2017, at 14:45, Simon Wong <simonwo...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> I did not update yet.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 29, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Gordon <gor...@gordonradio.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Help is on the way for everyone who's experiencing these different bugs. I 
>> know that beta discussions aren't permitted here on the list, but I can tell 
>> you that things are being addressed and I imagine this should be ready for 
>> public release soon. You all will be quite pleased. I'm mainly posting this 
>> for those who are still on IOS 10.3.3 and aren't ready to upgrade just yet.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/29/2017 8:36 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>>> In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the way I 
>>> use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery 
>>> drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as 
>>> ever and if by the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't 
>>> read out aloud on the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and 
>>> I'm sure it gets fixed in time. I find there is just as much or more to 
>>> like about iOS 11 than there is to complain about and I have already not 
>>> kept any apps which didn't get updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade 
>>> because you are holding on to some old 32 bit app which hasn't been updated 
>>> in years then you are just postponing the inevitable. But I completely 
>>> agree that if you don't do well with putting up with a few bugs and 
>>> work-arounds and prefer bugs you are used to to new ones then it's better 
>>> to wait, after all, it's not like iOS 10 is bug-free.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Ann
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
>>> settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps 
>>> not compatible with IOS11.
>>> SayColor and INote
>>> Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
>>> But I'll wait to upgrade.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Davy Cuppens
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> Hi Ann
>>> 
>>> That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
>>> compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
>>> Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
>>> Regards
>>> Davy
>>> 
>>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>>> From: Ann
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
>>> your phone:
>>> go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will 
>>> let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
>>> Barton
>>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>>> 
>>> Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
>>> sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.
>>> 
>>>> On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Don't.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>>>>> I am not updating until the notific

Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Simon Wong]

I did not update yet.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Gordon <gor...@gordonradio.com> wrote:
> 
> Help is on the way for everyone who's experiencing these different bugs. I 
> know that beta discussions aren't permitted here on the list, but I can tell 
> you that things are being addressed and I imagine this should be ready for 
> public release soon. You all will be quite pleased. I'm mainly posting this 
> for those who are still on IOS 10.3.3 and aren't ready to upgrade just yet.
> 
> 
>> On 9/29/2017 8:36 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
>> In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the way I 
>> use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery 
>> drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as ever 
>> and if by the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't read 
>> out aloud on the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and I'm sure 
>> it gets fixed in time. I find there is just as much or more to like about 
>> iOS 11 than there is to complain about and I have already not kept any apps 
>> which didn't get updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are 
>> holding on to some old 32 bit app which hasn't been updated in years then 
>> you are just postponing the inevitable. But I completely agree that if you 
>> don't do well with putting up with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer 
>> bugs you are used to to new ones then it's better to wait, after all, it's 
>> not like iOS 10 is bug-free.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Ann
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
>> settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps 
>> not compatible with IOS11.
>> SayColor and INote
>> Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
>> But I'll wait to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Davy Cuppens
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Hi Ann
>> 
>> That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
>> compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
>> Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> From: Ann
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
>> your phone:
>> go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will let 
>> you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
>> Barton
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>> 
>> Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
>> sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.
>> 
>>> On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Don't.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
>>>> cents.
>>>> Nancy
>>>> 
>>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>>> Executive Director of Counseling
>>>> Old Dominion University
>>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
>>>> errors.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
>>>>> overwelming to an extent.  T

Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Gordon]

Help is on the way for everyone who's experiencing these different bugs. 
I know that beta discussions aren't permitted here on the list, but I 
can tell you that things are being addressed and I imagine this should 
be ready for public release soon. You all will be quite pleased. I'm 
mainly posting this for those who are still on IOS 10.3.3 and aren't 
ready to upgrade just yet.



On 9/29/2017 8:36 AM, Russ Kiehne wrote:
In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the 
way I use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.


-Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with 
battery drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as 
responsive as ever and if by the notification bug you guys mean that 
notifications aren't read out aloud on the lock screen that for me is 
not such a big deal and I'm sure it gets fixed in time. I find there 
is just as much or more to like about iOS 11 than there is to complain 
about and I have already not kept any apps which didn't get updated to 
64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are holding on to some old 32 
bit app which hasn't been updated in years then you are just 
postponing the inevitable. But I completely agree that if you don't do 
well with putting up with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer bugs 
you are used to to new ones then it's better to wait, after all, it's 
not like iOS 10 is bug-free.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Ann

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked 
in settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 
2 apps not compatible with IOS11.

SayColor and INote
Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
But I'll wait to upgrade.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Davy Cuppens

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are 
not compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.

Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps 
on your phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap 
Will let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.


-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of 
Jed Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait 
for sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.


On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't.


On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
errors.


On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
to.  Any thoughts?

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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Russ Kiehne]

In my case, the way I use my ipad mini 4, none of the bugs effect the way I 
use it.  I was lucky all of the apps I use are 64bit.


-Original Message- 
From: Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery 
drain, speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as ever 
and if by the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't read 
out aloud on the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and I'm sure 
it gets fixed in time. I find there is just as much or more to like about 
iOS 11 than there is to complain about and I have already not kept any apps 
which didn't get updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are 
holding on to some old 32 bit app which hasn't been updated in years then 
you are just postponing the inevitable. But I completely agree that if you 
don't do well with putting up with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer 
bugs you are used to to new ones then it's better to wait, after all, it's 
not like iOS 10 is bug-free.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Ann

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps 
not compatible with IOS11.

SayColor and INote
Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.
But I'll wait to upgrade.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Davy Cuppens

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.

Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
your phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will let 
you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.


-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.


On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't.


On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
errors.


On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
to.  Any thoughts?

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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Ron Pelletier]

Jed,

Depends on you.  If you are not ready to deal with the bugs, its your choice.  
If you are the type of person who wants things to work correctly, wait.  
Accessibility bugs don't usually get solved until the .1 version because they 
are not top on their list.  If you don't like to mess with work arounds, you 
should wait for 11.1 which is not what came out yesterday.  That was 11.0.1  
Chances are they will end up going to 11.0.1 and 11.0.2 and 11.0.3 before they 
get to 11.1

Ron & Danvers


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From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for sure.  
Hopefully this will get fixed soon.

On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two 
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
>> errors.
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of 
>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like 
>>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use 
>>> to.  Any thoughts?
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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For whatever it's worth, I have a 6S Plus and have 0 issues with battery drain, 
speech going away and sluggishness. My phone is as responsive as ever and if by 
the notification bug you guys mean that notifications aren't read out aloud on 
the lock screen that for me is not such a big deal and I'm sure it gets fixed 
in time. I find there is just as much or more to like about iOS 11 than there 
is to complain about and I have already not kept any apps which didn't get 
updated to 64 Bit, if you don't upgrade because you are holding on to some old 
32 bit app which hasn't been updated in years then you are just postponing the 
inevitable. But I completely agree that if you don't do well with putting up 
with a few bugs and work-arounds and prefer bugs you are used to to new ones 
then it's better to wait, after all, it's not like iOS 10 is bug-free.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 11:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps not 
compatible with IOS11.  
SayColor and INote
Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.  
But I'll wait to upgrade.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on your 
phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will let 
you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.

-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for sure.  
Hopefully this will get fixed soon.

On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two 
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
>> errors.
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of 
>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like 
>>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use 
>>> to.  Any thoughts?
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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Ann]

Likely you are correct about these apps ever being upgraded.  I looked in 
settings a couple of weeks ago and there were 4 or 5 apps now only 2 apps not 
compatible with IOS11.  
SayColor and INote
Many newer apps help with colors and I don't believe I use INote much.  
But I'll wait to upgrade.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Ann
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on your 
phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap Will let 
you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.

-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for sure.  
Hopefully this will get fixed soon.

On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two 
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
>> errors.
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of 
>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like 
>>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use 
>>> to.  Any thoughts?
>>>
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[lenron brown]

I would search for apps that are 64 bit for sure. The bugs in IOS 11
make me think of when all those issues were going on with 8. The
battery drain is my biggest one. I refuse to upgrade phones until that
one is fixed. I am not buying a new phone to have that same problem.

On 9/28/17, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ann
>
> That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not
> compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.
> Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
> Regards
> Davy
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> From: Ann
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11
>
> I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on
> your phone:
> go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap
> Will let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed
> Barton
> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11
>
> Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for
> sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.
>
> On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Don't.
>>
>>
>> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
>>> cents.
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>>> Executive Director of Counseling
>>> Old Dominion University
>>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
>>> errors.
>>>
>>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
>>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
>>>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
>>>> to.  Any thoughts?
>>>>
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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Regarding the sluggishness that is mentionned below, is anyone here who has 
already upgraded to IOS 11 seeing this slowness?  If so, with which phone?

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Davy 
Cuppens [davycupp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Hi Nancy

This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow
working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios
11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to
start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not
with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to
factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with
voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and
start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or
slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that
bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the
bugs, I DO!

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
From: Nancy Badger
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like over-all
> it's working well but a few new little things to get use to.  Any
> thoughts?
>
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Ann

That's not a negative reason for me not to update. If these apps are not 
compatible yet you have to fear they won't ever be compatible.

Try searching for other equal apps that are 64 bit.
Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Ann

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on 
your phone:

go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap
Will let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.

-Original Message-
From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed 
Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for 
sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.


On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Don't.


On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
errors.


On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton <j...@jedbarton.com> wrote:

Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like
over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use
to.  Any thoughts?

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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Nancy

This is my threshhold not to upgrade before a vo fix is coming.
There are really too many bugs. Battery drain by voiceover and a very slow 
working ios, loss of speech, focus bugs ...
A Dutch girl I know has bought a fresh iphone 8 with ios11. and now ios 
11.01 and she has got serious battery drain effect.
One Belgian and a Dutch chap updated their 5s and were nolonger able to 
start voiceover. In fact vo was running but speech did not come up even not 
with a hard reset and toggling. They really had to set their phones back to 
factory settings starting from 0 to get their voices back.
I heard of some people calling Apple they were told not to update with 
voiceover but if you do, configure your phone as a brand new iphone and 
start from scratch. In that case people are reporting less bugs or 
slugishness but this is eventually not true knowing about friends that 
bought fresh new iphones with the use of voiceover.
Long live ios10 but I am glad for those that updated and don't care for the 
bugs, I DO!


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Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents.
Nancy

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RE: should i upgrade to ios11

[Ann]

I am not upgrading.  Some apps are not compatible.  To check your apps on your 
phone:
go to Settings then general then about then applications double tap 
Will let you know what apps need updating for next release of IOS.

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From: jedbar...@gmail.com [mailto:jedbar...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jed Barton
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:34 PM
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Subject: Re: should i upgrade to ios11

Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait for sure.  
Hopefully this will get fixed soon.

On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two 
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
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>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling 
>> errors.
>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like 
>>> over-all it's working well but a few new little things to get use 
>>> to.  Any thoughts?
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

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Well, that's 3 people saying don't upgrade, so i'll definitely wait
for sure.  Hopefully this will get fixed soon.

On 9/28/17, Kelby Carlson  wrote:
> Don't.
>
>
> On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:
>> I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two
>> cents.
>> Nancy
>>
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
>> Executive Director of Counseling
>> Old Dominion University
>> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling
>> errors.
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
>>>
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>>>
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>>> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
>>> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like over-all
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Kelby Carlson]

Don't.


On 9/28/2017 1:23 PM, Nancy Badger wrote:

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
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Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.


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OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Nancy Badger]

I am not updating until the notifications bug is fixed. Just my two cents.
Nancy

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
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Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Sep 28, 2017, at 1:18 PM, Jed Barton  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
> overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
> Should i do the upgrade or hold off for a bit?  It seems like over-all
> it's working well but a few new little things to get use to.  Any
> thoughts?
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Re: should i upgrade to ios11

[Davy Cuppens]

My advice: wait till a voiceover fix comes out.

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Jed Barton

Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 7:18 PM
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Subject: should i upgrade to ios11

Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
overwelming to an extent.  The big question.  I've been running IOS10.
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should i upgrade to ios11

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Hey guys,

OK, i know there has been a ton of discussion on here.  It's kind of
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