Re: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss
If you were to install new facilities to a subscriber in a green field deployment, what technology would you use? Fiber, right? Once that fiber is installed, what speed packages are available? All the way to at least gigabit, right? Yes, that means that some very rural areas are able to get gigabit while many urban areas can not. But that is more-so a fault of the facilities in the urban areas. They are often copper based (coax and twisted pair) that was installed decades ago. Copper facilities struggle to achieve gigabit speeds, at least past a very short distance. More commonly the speeds are in just the double digits. When ISPs are deciding where to install new fiber, un-served areas, such as the rural areas being discussed, are usually prioritized above those that are already served by cable and DSL. If you have enough resources to install fiber to only so many new subscribers in a given year, would you upgrade existing urban customers to fiber, most of which can already achieve 50Mbps+, or would you add new rural subscribers, most of which currently use satellite or dialup? The later is a popular choice. However, I realize the optics are bad from the perspective of urban subscribers. On 2020-08-24 16:45, Mary Lou Carey wrote: Wow.so it sounds like maybe they are offering services but the donations from the government to fund it certainly don't make it all the way to the customer! My car loan costs less than your Gigabit ethernet! That is not a fair comparison. Very few people currently require gigabit Internet. I bet the cost for 50/50 is less than your car loan. Maybe a better comparison would be the cost of gigabit to the monthly cost of a loan for a Rolls-Royce? ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss
Wow.so it sounds like maybe they are offering services but the donations from the government to fund it certainly don't make it all the way to the customer! My car loan costs less than your Gigabit ethernet! MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796- On 2020-08-24 10:43 AM, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: Eh. I'm out in the brush. ~5 houses in my 1.5 mile road. Gigabit internet. Of course it's ~$300/mo after taxes, fees, surcharges, etc... ...and they can only deliver around 350 Mbit during 'peak' times--which is pretty much any time not between 1:30 AM and 4 AM. A more 'reasonable' speed like 50 Mbit is still $200/mo... Why don't I lease some of the fiber that's running about 75 feet from my house and start providing better internet service in the area? Regulations and start-up costs due to those regulations. -A On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:24 AM Mary Lou Carey wrote: I live 15 minutes outside my local city limits and I'm only 45 minutes from downtown Nashville. My only internet option is satellite. I pay $160 a month for a service that isn't as good as the $30 DSL service I used to have when I lived inside the city limits. That may be because I'm served by an AT remote office rather than the ILEC that services the areas at both ends of my street. You'd think cell service and wireless service would be better because I'm only a mile from the closest cell tower. That's not the case however. Interestingly enough no on seems to claim that tower - they all tell me I'm not in a good service area because the tower is so far away. Go figure.so if you ask me, the people with 20-80 acres probably aren't getting much of anything because the people with an average of 5 or less acres aren't even getting decent service! My guess is it's probably going into someone's slush fund because its NOT going into providing decent service! MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796- On 2020-08-23 01:18 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: I'd never really looked at the trend, but wow, it's gone up 5x in 20 years. I suppose this correlates with bringing out morre rural internet services? In the last few years, in nearby Prescott, I've been seeing signs and ads for 100M+ service to the middle of nowhere. Places where each house has 20-80 acres. Must be paid by this, I assume. https://files.taxfoundation.org/20181210115844/FF626_3.png On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 12:57 PM Collin Anderson wrote: USAC sets the contribution factor based on the needs of the USF programs. There's a few articles out there about how market changes -- e.g. decrease revenues -- have increased the rate. But these changes and their justifications are public records: https://www.usac.org/service-providers/making-payments/contribution-factors/ On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 10:24 AM Carlos Alvarez wrote: I'm curious how this gets decided and changed. Is it the FCC acting on its own? Pushed by legislators or the white house? Does anyone have a say in it? On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 7:20 AM Mike Hammett wrote: Slushfund out of the taxpayer's eyes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - From: "Peter Beckman" To: "VoiceOps" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 10:15:54 PM Subject: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss Holy Crap. Reviewing my bills for July -- FUSF jumped from 19.6% to 26.5% !!! For Q3 2020. 1Q 2009 was 9.5%. How much is being collected and what actually is this money going toward? And WHY do they need such a high percentage?!? Discuss. (Or yell at me that this isn't the place, I couldn't find a voiceops-discuss@) --- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beck...@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ --- ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Collin David Anderson averysmallbird.com [1] [1] | @cda | Washington, D.C. Links: -- [1] http://averysmallbird.com ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops Links: -- [1] http://averysmallbird.com ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOp
Re: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss
That's what surprised me. There I was in my Jeep, traipsing across terrain that mostly required a Jeep, seeing a house every five minutes. But there were signs on this "road" saying "100 MBPS+ internet now available, call us!" And sure enough, talking to a rancher, he gets well over 100 x 20. I think AZ is an outlier, and Zona Communications seems super aggressive about leveraging E-rate and USF. Oh...now this is funny... I live too close to the city to get their gigabit symmetrical service. I am just far enough outside the city that I can't get the city's gig service. But I do get 900x35 cable service for $120. On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:23 AM Mary Lou Carey wrote: > I live 15 minutes outside my local city limits and I'm only 45 minutes > from downtown Nashville. My only internet option is satellite. I pay > $160 a month for a service that isn't as good as the $30 DSL service I > used to have when I lived inside the city limits. That may be because > I'm served by an AT remote office rather than the ILEC that services > the areas at both ends of my street. You'd think cell service and > wireless service would be better because I'm only a mile from the > closest cell tower. That's not the case however. Interestingly enough no > on seems to claim that tower - they all tell me I'm not in a good > service area because the tower is so far away. Go figure.so if you > ask me, the people with 20-80 acres probably aren't getting much of > anything because the people with an average of 5 or less acres aren't > even getting decent service! > > My guess is it's probably going into someone's slush fund because its > NOT going into providing decent service! > > MARY LOU CAREY > BackUP Telecom Consulting > Office: 615-791-9969 > Cell: 615-796- > > On 2020-08-23 01:18 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: > > I'd never really looked at the trend, but wow, it's gone up 5x in 20 > > years. I suppose this correlates with bringing out morre rural > > internet services? In the last few years, in nearby Prescott, I've > > been seeing signs and ads for 100M+ service to the middle of nowhere. > > Places where each house has 20-80 acres. Must be paid by this, I > > assume. > > > > https://files.taxfoundation.org/20181210115844/FF626_3.png > > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 12:57 PM Collin Anderson > > wrote: > > > >> USAC sets the contribution factor based on the needs of the USF > >> programs. There's a few articles out there about how market changes > >> -- e.g. decrease revenues -- have increased the rate. But these > >> changes and their justifications are public records: > >> > > > https://www.usac.org/service-providers/making-payments/contribution-factors/ > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 10:24 AM Carlos Alvarez > >> wrote: > >> > >> I'm curious how this gets decided and changed. Is it the FCC acting > >> on its own? Pushed by legislators or the white house? Does anyone > >> have a say in it? > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 7:20 AM Mike Hammett > >> wrote: > >> > >> Slushfund out of the taxpayer's eyes. > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> Midwest Internet Exchange > >> http://www.midwest-ix.com > >> > >> - > >> > >> From: "Peter Beckman" > >> To: "VoiceOps" > >> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 10:15:54 PM > >> Subject: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss > >> > >> Holy Crap. Reviewing my bills for July -- FUSF jumped from 19.6% to > >> 26.5% !!! > >> For Q3 2020. > >> > >> 1Q 2009 was 9.5%. > >> > >> How much is being collected and what actually is this money going > >> toward? > >> And WHY do they need such a high percentage?!? > >> > >> Discuss. (Or yell at me that this isn't the place, I couldn't find a > >> voiceops-discuss@) > >> > >> > > > --- > >> Peter Beckman > >> Internet Guy > >> beck...@angryox.com > >> http://www.angryox.com/ > >> > > > --- > >> ___ > >> VoiceOps mailing list > >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org > >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > >> > >> __
Re: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss
Eh. I'm out in the brush. ~5 houses in my 1.5 mile road. Gigabit internet. Of course it's ~$300/mo after taxes, fees, surcharges, etc... ...and they can only deliver around 350 Mbit during 'peak' times--which is pretty much any time not between 1:30 AM and 4 AM. A more 'reasonable' speed like 50 Mbit is still $200/mo... Why don't I lease some of the fiber that's running about 75 feet from my house and start providing better internet service in the area? Regulations and start-up costs due to those regulations. -A On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 8:24 AM Mary Lou Carey wrote: > I live 15 minutes outside my local city limits and I'm only 45 minutes > from downtown Nashville. My only internet option is satellite. I pay > $160 a month for a service that isn't as good as the $30 DSL service I > used to have when I lived inside the city limits. That may be because > I'm served by an AT remote office rather than the ILEC that services > the areas at both ends of my street. You'd think cell service and > wireless service would be better because I'm only a mile from the > closest cell tower. That's not the case however. Interestingly enough no > on seems to claim that tower - they all tell me I'm not in a good > service area because the tower is so far away. Go figure.so if you > ask me, the people with 20-80 acres probably aren't getting much of > anything because the people with an average of 5 or less acres aren't > even getting decent service! > > My guess is it's probably going into someone's slush fund because its > NOT going into providing decent service! > > MARY LOU CAREY > BackUP Telecom Consulting > Office: 615-791-9969 > Cell: 615-796- > > On 2020-08-23 01:18 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: > > I'd never really looked at the trend, but wow, it's gone up 5x in 20 > > years. I suppose this correlates with bringing out morre rural > > internet services? In the last few years, in nearby Prescott, I've > > been seeing signs and ads for 100M+ service to the middle of nowhere. > > Places where each house has 20-80 acres. Must be paid by this, I > > assume. > > > > https://files.taxfoundation.org/20181210115844/FF626_3.png > > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 12:57 PM Collin Anderson > > wrote: > > > >> USAC sets the contribution factor based on the needs of the USF > >> programs. There's a few articles out there about how market changes > >> -- e.g. decrease revenues -- have increased the rate. But these > >> changes and their justifications are public records: > >> > > > https://www.usac.org/service-providers/making-payments/contribution-factors/ > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 10:24 AM Carlos Alvarez > >> wrote: > >> > >> I'm curious how this gets decided and changed. Is it the FCC acting > >> on its own? Pushed by legislators or the white house? Does anyone > >> have a say in it? > >> > >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 7:20 AM Mike Hammett > >> wrote: > >> > >> Slushfund out of the taxpayer's eyes. > >> > >> - > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> Midwest Internet Exchange > >> http://www.midwest-ix.com > >> > >> - > >> > >> From: "Peter Beckman" > >> To: "VoiceOps" > >> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 10:15:54 PM > >> Subject: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss > >> > >> Holy Crap. Reviewing my bills for July -- FUSF jumped from 19.6% to > >> 26.5% !!! > >> For Q3 2020. > >> > >> 1Q 2009 was 9.5%. > >> > >> How much is being collected and what actually is this money going > >> toward? > >> And WHY do they need such a high percentage?!? > >> > >> Discuss. (Or yell at me that this isn't the place, I couldn't find a > >> voiceops-discuss@) > >> > >> > > > --- > >> Peter Beckman > >> Internet Guy > >> beck...@angryox.com > >> http://www.angryox.com/ > >> > > > --- > >> ___ > >> VoiceOps mailing list > >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org > >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > >> > >> ___ > >> VoiceOps mailing list > >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org > >> https://puck.
Re: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss
I live 15 minutes outside my local city limits and I'm only 45 minutes from downtown Nashville. My only internet option is satellite. I pay $160 a month for a service that isn't as good as the $30 DSL service I used to have when I lived inside the city limits. That may be because I'm served by an AT remote office rather than the ILEC that services the areas at both ends of my street. You'd think cell service and wireless service would be better because I'm only a mile from the closest cell tower. That's not the case however. Interestingly enough no on seems to claim that tower - they all tell me I'm not in a good service area because the tower is so far away. Go figure.so if you ask me, the people with 20-80 acres probably aren't getting much of anything because the people with an average of 5 or less acres aren't even getting decent service! My guess is it's probably going into someone's slush fund because its NOT going into providing decent service! MARY LOU CAREY BackUP Telecom Consulting Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796- On 2020-08-23 01:18 PM, Carlos Alvarez wrote: I'd never really looked at the trend, but wow, it's gone up 5x in 20 years. I suppose this correlates with bringing out morre rural internet services? In the last few years, in nearby Prescott, I've been seeing signs and ads for 100M+ service to the middle of nowhere. Places where each house has 20-80 acres. Must be paid by this, I assume. https://files.taxfoundation.org/20181210115844/FF626_3.png On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 12:57 PM Collin Anderson wrote: USAC sets the contribution factor based on the needs of the USF programs. There's a few articles out there about how market changes -- e.g. decrease revenues -- have increased the rate. But these changes and their justifications are public records: https://www.usac.org/service-providers/making-payments/contribution-factors/ On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 10:24 AM Carlos Alvarez wrote: I'm curious how this gets decided and changed. Is it the FCC acting on its own? Pushed by legislators or the white house? Does anyone have a say in it? On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 7:20 AM Mike Hammett wrote: Slushfund out of the taxpayer's eyes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - From: "Peter Beckman" To: "VoiceOps" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 10:15:54 PM Subject: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss Holy Crap. Reviewing my bills for July -- FUSF jumped from 19.6% to 26.5% !!! For Q3 2020. 1Q 2009 was 9.5%. How much is being collected and what actually is this money going toward? And WHY do they need such a high percentage?!? Discuss. (Or yell at me that this isn't the place, I couldn't find a voiceops-discuss@) --- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beck...@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ --- ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Collin David Anderson averysmallbird.com [1] | @cda | Washington, D.C. Links: -- [1] http://averysmallbird.com ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss
I'd never really looked at the trend, but wow, it's gone up 5x in 20 years. I suppose this correlates with bringing out morre rural internet services? In the last few years, in nearby Prescott, I've been seeing signs and ads for 100M+ service to the middle of nowhere. Places where each house has 20-80 acres. Must be paid by this, I assume. https://files.taxfoundation.org/20181210115844/FF626_3.png On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 12:57 PM Collin Anderson wrote: > USAC sets the contribution factor based on the needs of the USF programs. > There's a few articles out there about how market changes -- e.g. decrease > revenues -- have increased the rate. But these changes and their > justifications are public records: > https://www.usac.org/service-providers/making-payments/contribution-factors/ > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 10:24 AM Carlos Alvarez > wrote: > >> I'm curious how this gets decided and changed. Is it the FCC acting on >> its own? Pushed by legislators or the white house? Does anyone have a say >> in it? >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 7:20 AM Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> Slushfund out of the taxpayer's eyes. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> http://www.midwest-ix.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Peter Beckman" >>> *To: *"VoiceOps" >>> *Sent: *Friday, August 21, 2020 10:15:54 PM >>> *Subject: *[VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss >>> >>> Holy Crap. Reviewing my bills for July -- FUSF jumped from 19.6% to >>> 26.5% !!! >>> For Q3 2020. >>> >>> 1Q 2009 was 9.5%. >>> >>> How much is being collected and what actually is this money going toward? >>> And WHY do they need such a high percentage?!? >>> >>> Discuss. (Or yell at me that this isn't the place, I couldn't find a >>> voiceops-discuss@) >>> >>> >>> --- >>> Peter Beckman Internet >>> Guy >>> beck...@angryox.com >>> http://www.angryox.com/ >>> >>> --- >>> ___ >>> VoiceOps mailing list >>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>> >>> ___ >>> VoiceOps mailing list >>> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >>> >> ___ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >> > > > -- > *Collin David Anderson* > averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C. > ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss
USAC sets the contribution factor based on the needs of the USF programs. There's a few articles out there about how market changes -- e.g. decrease revenues -- have increased the rate. But these changes and their justifications are public records: https://www.usac.org/service-providers/making-payments/contribution-factors/ On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 10:24 AM Carlos Alvarez wrote: > I'm curious how this gets decided and changed. Is it the FCC acting on > its own? Pushed by legislators or the white house? Does anyone have a say > in it? > > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 7:20 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > >> Slushfund out of the taxpayer's eyes. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> http://www.midwest-ix.com >> >> >> >> ------ >> *From: *"Peter Beckman" >> *To: *"VoiceOps" >> *Sent: *Friday, August 21, 2020 10:15:54 PM >> *Subject: *[VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss >> >> Holy Crap. Reviewing my bills for July -- FUSF jumped from 19.6% to 26.5% >> !!! >> For Q3 2020. >> >> 1Q 2009 was 9.5%. >> >> How much is being collected and what actually is this money going toward? >> And WHY do they need such a high percentage?!? >> >> Discuss. (Or yell at me that this isn't the place, I couldn't find a >> voiceops-discuss@) >> >> >> --- >> Peter Beckman Internet >> Guy >> beck...@angryox.com >> http://www.angryox.com/ >> >> --- >> ___ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >> >> ___ >> VoiceOps mailing list >> VoiceOps@voiceops.org >> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops >> > ___ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > -- *Collin David Anderson* averysmallbird.com | @cda | Washington, D.C. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss
I'm curious how this gets decided and changed. Is it the FCC acting on its own? Pushed by legislators or the white house? Does anyone have a say in it? On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 7:20 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > Slushfund out of the taxpayer's eyes. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange > http://www.midwest-ix.com > > > > -- > *From: *"Peter Beckman" > *To: *"VoiceOps" > *Sent: *Friday, August 21, 2020 10:15:54 PM > *Subject: *[VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss > > Holy Crap. Reviewing my bills for July -- FUSF jumped from 19.6% to 26.5% > !!! > For Q3 2020. > > 1Q 2009 was 9.5%. > > How much is being collected and what actually is this money going toward? > And WHY do they need such a high percentage?!? > > Discuss. (Or yell at me that this isn't the place, I couldn't find a > voiceops-discuss@) > > --- > Peter Beckman Internet Guy > beck...@angryox.com > http://www.angryox.com/ > --- > ___ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > > ___ > VoiceOps mailing list > VoiceOps@voiceops.org > https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops > ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss
Slushfund out of the taxpayer's eyes. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Peter Beckman" To: "VoiceOps" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 10:15:54 PM Subject: [VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss Holy Crap. Reviewing my bills for July -- FUSF jumped from 19.6% to 26.5% !!! For Q3 2020. 1Q 2009 was 9.5%. How much is being collected and what actually is this money going toward? And WHY do they need such a high percentage?!? Discuss. (Or yell at me that this isn't the place, I couldn't find a voiceops-discuss@) --- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beck...@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ --- ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
[VoiceOps] FUSF is 26.5% for Q3 2020: Discuss
Holy Crap. Reviewing my bills for July -- FUSF jumped from 19.6% to 26.5% !!! For Q3 2020. 1Q 2009 was 9.5%. How much is being collected and what actually is this money going toward? And WHY do they need such a high percentage?!? Discuss. (Or yell at me that this isn't the place, I couldn't find a voiceops-discuss@) --- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beck...@angryox.com http://www.angryox.com/ --- ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
