Re: Musings on: Energy Gravity and Acceleration
In a message dated 7/23/2004 5:27:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I, on the other hand, have done NO math on the subject. My approach has been strictly from visualization exercises performed while riding the bus to and from work, or perhaps as a much needed distraction from the mundane affairs of work. These "visualizations" have been fermenting in my noggin for decades. Me to. I'm working nights still starting up a power plant. Its Boring. Here are some of the places I go and think about antigravity. http://www.angelfire.com/pa/ParksJohnstown/index.html Frank Z
Storms question about the induced field
The induced field is not superluminal. Take the electric force for example. The force between two charges is equal and opposite. The system conserves momentum. Now one charge is moved. It moves into in the established field of the first electron and immediately fields the force. No time delay is had. The first electron, however, does not sense that the second has moved until the disturbance in the field reaches it at light speed. It appears for the moment that momentum is not conserved. What happens is the movement of the charges induces a local magnetic field. The force imparted by the induced magnetic field is just the right strength to keep the momentum of the system balanced. Nature goes through great lengths to conserve momentum. I hope this answers your question. Frank Z
Re: Musings on: Energy Gravity and Acceleration
In a message dated 7/23/2004 10:44:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If so, how is it possible for a galaxy to organize with a diameter of several million light years? I do not know that's a more than two bodies complex problem. Its beyond me. It appears to that inertial mass is the universe's reaction to the local induced gravitational field. The induced field act like a reservoir of momentum and energy allowing for the propagation of the original field to remote regions. The induced field acting on the mass of the universe appears to account for the inertial mass of matter. The analysis is at page 4 of this chapter. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter9.html Frank Znidarsic
Re: Storms question about the induced field
Frank, your emphasis is on conservation of momentum, which is important but not sufficient. You also introduce the mechanism of sensing the existence of a fixed field, which is irrelevant. I ask how a structure can form when the time needed for one part to sense the characteristics of another part takes millions of years to be communicated? How does a star at one side of a galaxy know that its gravity and momentum are being exactly balanced by a star on the other side when this information takes a million years to pass between the two stars. The existence of an unstructured cluster of stars is not hard to explain. However, formation of a spiral galaxy is impossible unless the stars can communicate rapidly compared to their relative transitional speed. This requires either gravity or some other force to be communicated much faster than is normal EM radiation. I might add for your comment, that if this is true, all arguments about time based on the speed of light have no reality. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The induced field is not superluminal. Take the electric force for example. The force between two charges is equal and opposite. The system conserves momentum. Now one charge is moved. It moves into in the established field of the first electron and immediately fields the force. No time delay is had. The first electron, however, does not sense that the second has moved until the disturbance in the field reaches it at light speed. It appears for the moment that momentum is not conserved. What happens is the movement of the charges induces a local magnetic field. The force imparted by the induced magnetic field is just the right strength to keep the momentum of the system balanced. Nature goes through great lengths to conserve momentum. I hope this answers your question. Frank Z
Re: Storms question about the induced field
In a message dated 7/24/2004 1:20:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This requires either gravity or some other force to be communicated much faster than is normal EM radiation. No communication is possible at speeds faster than light speed. I ask how a structure can form when the time needed for one part to sense the characteristics of another part takes millions of years to be communicated? It does not matter if the delay is one pico second in an electronic circuit or millions of years in the universe. The mechansims the hold mometum constant are the same. All fields the communite at luminal velocities. The movement through the static field of a remote body produces an induced field. The movement of a local body produces an induced field. These induced fields are local. The produce a force which balaances the momentum of the system during the interval when the orginal field cannot. They also act as a resovour of momentum and energy. this resovour is depleated after the disturbance propagates between the two interactiong bodies. Frank frank Z
Re: Musings on: Energy Gravity and Acceleration
first off, if shine a laser across a room here on earth, is there a shift downwards thats detectable from earths gravity? also, of course there is a force. thats teh definition of acceleration. acceleration is caused by a constant force on an object. if gravity causes acceleration, it is by causeing a force. you seem to be looking at acceleration as its own force. its simply a consequence of physichal force of a certain amount, applied in a certain direction (known as a vector). when you fire a gun, the bullet experiences acceleration from the expanding gass. are you going to say that thats gravity? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:55:33 EDT Subject: Re: Musings on: Energy Gravity and Acceleration To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/23/2004 10:44:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If so, how is it possible for a galaxy to organize with a diameter of several million light years? I do not know that's a more than two bodies complex problem. Its beyond me. It appears to that inertial mass is the universe's reaction to the local induced gravitational field. The induced field act like a reservoir of momentum and energy allowing for the propagation of the original field to remote regions. The induced field acting on the mass of the universe appears to account for the inertial mass of matter. The analysis is at page 4 of this chapter. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapter9.html Frank Znidarsic -- Fairy tales are more than true: not because they tell us that dragons exist, but because they tell us that dragons can be beaten. -G.K. Chesterson
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