Re: The Most Astounding Nobel Prize Ever!
On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Zell, Chris wrote: > Does anyone see anything DRAMATICALLY WRONG with this event? They > describe the discovery as "bloody obvious" and say that they were > "shunned" and labeled as "eccentric". More than that, decades of > "modern medicine" fail to correctly identify the simple cause of a > painful and debilitating condition. The inventors of the Scanning Tunneling Microscope reported the same thing (see below.) What's MUCH MORE scary is the fact that the large number of these events remain unknown to the scientific community. Ask researchers, and a few will be able to come up with the ridicule of Seimmelweis and sterile hands during surgery, or perhaps the ridicule of Weltner and Plate Tectonics. We're not taught about all the others. For example, Black Holes were invented in 1930 by theorist S. Chandra, but he was ridiculed into silence (with Eddington leading the sneers,) and Chandra was essentially hounded out of his position, having to move to the U. of Chicago. It put theoretical astronomy 30 years backwards from where it could be today (since black hole theory was only "rediscovered" in 1960, thirty years after being crushed.) We all grew up with the "Black hole" idea, they are in science books everywhere, and have entered pop-culture. Some physicists have even rode the path to fame and popularity by explaining the details to the public. But have you ever heard ANY mention that they were discovered 30 years early, and their discoverer was essentially silenced by a crowd of angry hostile British astronomers? And that's just one event. There are dozens of equally significant examples, and vast numbers of less important ones. > If this sort of thing can 'get by' the supposed experts for huge > periods of time, WHAT ELSE could we be missing ESPECIALLY in scientific > fields that Here's a scary thought from W. I. Beveridge, author of The Art of Scientific Investigation: Many discoveries must have been stillborn or smothered at birth. We know only those which survived. I started compiling a list, see below. Another scary thought: there should be numerous versions of this sort of list in science history books, or at least all over the internet. But there aren't any. Rather than being common and well known because they're important, instead these facts are embarassing, so nobody except weirdos like me ever mentions their existence. Ridiculed, vindicated scientific discoveries http://amasci.com/weird/vindac.html There are VERY few books about this topic. Here are a few I've found: http://amasci.com/freenrg/clbooks.html#eight > I conclude that we - our culture of technology - could be dead wrong > about an astounding number of things - given that it takes us decades of > struggle even to recognize "bloody obvious" cures. Exactly! That's why we're here. If the scientific mythology was correct, then our hobby would be hopeless, and there would BE no vast unknown for amateurs to explore, and only professionals with major funding would have any chance of uncovering interesting stuff. I think we have "Emperor's clothes effect" to thank. All the experts become blinded by beliefs and by misguided education, while a little kid is the only one who explores the secret unspoken concept that becomes so obvious in hindsight, after the little kid has pointed it out to everyone. One would think that the "Emperor's" advisers would be the ones most concious of his nakedness. But instead it's the outsiders who aren't infected with the same blindness. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-789-0775unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: The Most Astounding Nobel Prize Ever!
In reply to William Beaty's message of Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:28:48 -0800 (PST): Hi, [snip] > Ridiculed, vindicated scientific discoveries > http://amasci.com/weird/vindac.html According to the Russians, T. Gold got his theories from them. [snip] >I think we have "Emperor's clothes effect" to thank. All the experts >become blinded by beliefs and by misguided education, while a little kid >is the only one who explores the secret unspoken concept that becomes so >obvious in hindsight, after the little kid has pointed it out to everyone. >One would think that the "Emperor's" advisers would be the ones most >concious of his nakedness. But instead it's the outsiders who aren't >infected with the same blindness. [snip] Subconsciously all humans crave certainty, which is why we are so unwilling to give it up just when we think we have hold of a large chunk of it. Of course in reality, there is no such thing as certainty, so our struggle is either endless, or we settle for delusion. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: The Most Astounding Nobel Prize Ever!
- Original Message - From: Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subconsciously all humans crave certainty, which is why we are so > unwilling to give it up just when we think we have hold of a large > chunk of it. > Of course in reality, there is no such thing as certainty, so our > struggle is either endless, or we settle for delusion. > > Competition provides the motivation, > Cooperation provides the means. > Are you certain? Harry
Re: The Most Astounding Nobel Prize Ever!
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:21:04 -0500: Hi, >From: Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subconsciously all humans crave certainty, which is why we are so >> unwilling to give it up just when we think we have hold of a large >> chunk of it. >> Of course in reality, there is no such thing as certainty, so our >> struggle is either endless, or we settle for delusion. [snip] >Are you certain? No, it's just the most recent working hypothesis. :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/ Competition provides the motivation, Cooperation provides the means.
Re: The Most Astounding Nobel Prize Ever!
Robin wrote: > Subconsciously all humans crave certainty, which is > why we are so unwilling to give it up just when we > think we have hold of a large chunk of it. > Of course in reality, there is no such thing as > certainty, so our struggle is either endless, or > we settle for delusion. Actually, I think that problem that has sickened science is not the craving for certainty. It is the compulsion to consensus that has caused the outrageous behavior of the "scientific community" toward its greatest innovators. Consensus science is, after all, not science. M. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!
Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis, etc., Caused By Bacteria; Also Vitamin C Info -was: ... Nobel Prize
Ulcers were also cured by high dose vitamin C. A friend of mine was the
person that launched black current juice back during world war two. They
had scurvy in the British ranks at Tabrook. Acid vitamin C sources like
oranges and lemons rotted quickly and made you sick in the heat and it
burned ulcerated lips.
Dr Travers Harrison OBE was an agricultural chemist at the British
department of agriculture. With the Germans sinking ships no-one wanted
to take boat loads of crops to America and the colonies so the
department of Agriculture was stuck with millions of tons of surplus
crops. Black currents by the boat load were piling up so Dr Harrison was
tasked to check them to find out what was in a black current so a new
use could be made for them. He found Vitamin C in a non acidic form.
Just what the troops needed in north Africa. The troops were saved from
scurvy and the war was won.
A few years later a medical friend mentioned that he had a problem.
Patients with severe ulcers were suffering from scurvy because they
could not eat acidic food. Dr Harrison supplied some black current juice
and saved the day. Then mysteriously the patients started getting cured.
Hundreds of them improved with the ulcers disappearing faster than the
scurvy. Today thanks to the Nobel prize winning research linking
Helicobacter pylori with ulcers; we can see why the cure was working but
in the 1950’s it seemed very strange. Huge doses of black current juice
were used; litres of the stuff. Pure vitamin C had less of an effect.
Black current juice its self was required. A certain associated sugar
changed form in the processing. Thousands were cured but only now we are
understanding what happened. Attempts to get the cure accepted though
the 50’s and 60’s failed; scientists, doctors and pharmacists ignored or
opposed the cure. Yet half a century ago Dr Harrison always believed he
and his colleagues had found a cure for Ulcers that the world of
medicine simply chose to ignore.
Dr Harrison tale was my first childhood introduction to the idea that
science often ignores a cure even though it would save millions from
suffering. It taught me that scientists were capable of great things and
at the same time great folly.
Mark S Bilk wrote:
Chris Zell pointed out that the research linking Helicobacter
pylori with ulcers was ignored and resisted by the medical
establishment, and that its discoverers have just been awarded
a Nobel Prize. Also that the usage of Vitamin C against viral
infections has met with similar dismissal and resistance. I've
used it on cats and young children (with dosage proportional to
body weight), who were not subject to a placebo effect, and it
was very successful (against upper respiratory infections, and
measles with severe rash and fever).
According to the research cited here (about 100 journal articles):
http://rheumatic.org
"rheumatic" diseases -- rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, scleroderma,
etc. -- are caused by infections by certain mycoplasmas --
bacteria that lack cell walls (but of course still have cell
membranes).
These diseases can be cured by the proper antibiotic therapy!
Here are some sources of information about Vitamin C:
http://www.orthomed.com/
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=klenner+%22vitamin+C%22&num=100&hl=en
This year I was getting frequent colds (or never quite getting
rid of the same cold) and at least stopping the symptoms with
12-18 grams/day of Vitamin C as ascorbic acid. Dissolve, with
constant stirring, 6 grams of ascorbic acid -- 1.5 teaspoon --
in a cup of water, drink it, then rinse your teeth with baking
soda solution, as the acid attacks the enamel. The solution is
pretty irritating; it tastes much better with 5 saccharin tablets
in it. To avoid any possibility of getting it down your larynx,
fill your lungs with air and pressurize it a bit while swallowing
the solution.
My local healthfood store proprietor suggested that excessive
acidity in my body caused by the ascorbic acid was congenial
to the infections, so I switched to magnesium calcium ascorbate:
Dissolve 6 grams ascorbic acid, 1 teaspoon milk of magnesia --
Mg(OH)2 (shake well), and 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of powdered chalk
-- CaCO3, in a cup of water, with constant stirring. Add the
CaCO3 last after the C and Mg(OH)2 have dissolved, and titrate
to taste -- it should be neither sour nor bitter, or a little
of each.
He also suggested Vitamin A (preformed, i.e. from fish oil, not
carotene), 50-100,000 IU/day with a small oily meal for a few days
only; this is also very helpful for bacterial sinus infections.
Also powdered astragalus root ("Nature's Herbs" brand, actually
Twinlab); the bottle says 6 of the 400mg capsules/day; I take
1/2 capsule/day, although it has no side effects -- I'm timid
about herbs. The recurrent colds stopped after about a week of
this treatment with a dosage of 6 grams (vit. C co
