Re: [Vo]:the Firestorm Plug
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to thomas malloy's message of Sat, 09 Jun 2007 22:52:04 -0500: Hi Thomas, [snip] Vortexians; My friend has been working with Robert Krupa, the inventor of the Firestorm spark plug. He showed me a paper written by the inventor. It Any idea where these plugs can be obtained? Regards, If they were commercially available we could pretty much stop foreign oil imports. /It's not part of the establishment's agenda to do that. / --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
[Vo]:Tesla Revisted
Hi, My previous post stated that the frequency varied from about 150 Hz to 1 kHz. In fact due to the weakening of the Earth's field with altitude, the frequency actually remains fairly well constrained within a range of 300-350 Hz over the altitude interval where the effect would work. Below 700 km there isn't much of the van Allen belts to speak of, and beyond about 1000 km one gets beyond 1 wavelength, but only slowly. By 2000 km the ratio is 1.4 and the frequency has dropped to about 200 Hz. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:the Firestorm Plug
In reply to thomas malloy's message of Sun, 10 Jun 2007 02:01:06 -0500: Hi, [snip] >>Any idea where these plugs can be obtained? >>Regards, >> >> >> >If they were commercially available we could pretty much stop foreign >oil imports. /It's not part of the establishment's agenda to do that. / I repeat my question. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:Tesla Revisted
Hi, BTW this energy transfer method probably also fits the energy transfer from a hydrogen atom to a catalyst atom during Hydrino formation. Both transmitter and receiver are high Q resonant systems. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:Goose bumps at the surface of a polarized liquid submitted to a field
Bill, A friend just sent me this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpBxCnHU8Ao Beautiful video. The bumps at the beginning (threshold field presumably) may be relevant to your airthreads phenomenon. Here the field is magnetic rather than electric and the fluid is magnetically polarized (ferromagnetic fluid, contains tiny magnetic dipoles) rather than electrically polarized (water molecules are tiny electric dipoles) but a similar goose bumping phenomenon could be expected in your experiment, although obviously on a smaller scale as otherwise the bumps would have been visible. Wrt the hollow you unambiguously observed by laser reflection, might it have been a "valley" between several bumps or the inside of a volcano-like structure? Michel
Re: [Vo]:the Firestorm Plug
Robert Krupa’s email address is (or was): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Horace Heffner On Jun 9, 2007, at 11:08 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to thomas malloy's message of Sun, 10 Jun 2007 02:01:06 -0500: Hi, [snip] Any idea where these plugs can be obtained? Regards, If they were commercially available we could pretty much stop foreign oil imports. /It's not part of the establishment's agenda to do that. / I repeat my question. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:the Firestorm Plug
I don't know who's ripping off whom, but check out the Bosch plugs: http://www.boschautoparts.com/Products/SparkPlugs/IrFusion.htm http://www.boschautoparts.com/Products/SparkPlugs/Platinum4.htm Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: [Vo]:Britannica "electrolysis" concise article corrected
Who needs the $130 MIOX pen and its platinum electrodes when a couple of pencils and a 9V(*) battery can do the trick? :-) http://chemmovies.unl.edu/Chemistry/DoChem/DoChem047c.html (click "lab hints" on the left) "Construct the portable electrolysis device demonstrated for this lesson. Its performance exceeds that of other electronic devices. Store the device disconnected so as to preserve the battery. Expect to change batteries every semester. Several other solutions (Na2SO4, NaCl may be tried). For example, electrolysis of solutions of ordinary table salt lead to the production of chlorine..." The question is, won't it also produce nasty stuff considering the carbon isn't as inert as platinum? Michel (*) the MIOX pen uses 6V (two 3V batteries in series) according to the online discussion. - Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:41 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Britannica "electrolysis" concise article corrected > > On Jun 9, 2007, at 4:53 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: > >> Thanks! There is also this apparently very informative ongoing >> online discussion I just found: >> http://stuff.silverorange.com/archives/2004/september/msrmioxpurifier > > That is an incredible wealth of information! A lot of it reliable > too, since the vendor is represented there by their marketing manager > Katie Bolek. > > One thing I found interesting on the list was the hesitancy on Katie > Bolek's part to thoroughly discuss hydrogen peroxide. I know at one > time peroxide was a big issue and thought to be one of the most > distinguishing ingredients in MIOX - especially in the early minutes > of decontamination. In the early days the decontamination chemistry > was definitely a bit of a mystery, but the EPA testing only required > the biological effectiveness and chlorine residuals info. I don't > know how well they have it all nailed down these days. Maybe some of > the more important chemistry approaches, i.e. MIOX (or similar) > generation methods, which are available can't be patented. The rep I > met said the company spent a lot of time and money on the chemistry > and had a lot more to do. > > Regards, > > Horace Heffner >
Re: [Vo]:Tesla Revisted
Could the electron and the nucleus as a magnetically coupled resonant systems explain why energy states are quantized? Harry On 10/6/2007 2:26 AM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > Hi, > > BTW this energy transfer method probably also fits the energy transfer from a > hydrogen atom to a catalyst atom during Hydrino formation. Both transmitter > and > receiver are high Q resonant systems. > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > The shrub is a plant. >
Re: [Vo]:em waves and pocket calculators/was Witricity scheme
On 9/6/2007 9:33 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sat, 09 Jun 2007 22:07:05 -0500: > Hi, > [snip] >> Many years ago, before ipods and mp3 players, I had a sony walkman with a >> radio turner. >> I found that if a pocket calculator were switched on and placed on top of >> the walkman I could >> move the tuner's dial to particular frequency and hear a faint >> "thump...thump...thump..." >> sort of like a heartbeat. Different calculators generated a similar pattern >> of sounds. >> >> What was going on? > [snip] > Calculators have their own inbuilt "clock" which is a quartz oscillator, and > also divider circuits, so they produce a number of radio frequencies. If the > Walkman is tuned to a frequency close to one of those generated by the > calculator, then a slow difference frequency will be generated which could be > the thump-thump sound. > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > > The shrub is a plant. > ok, thanks for that explanation, but can you say bit more about "difference frequency"? Harry
Re: [Vo]:Britannica "electrolysis" concise article corrected
On Jun 10, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: The question is, won't it also produce nasty stuff considering the carbon isn't as inert as platinum? It may be the commercial problem is more along the lines of needing a catalyst to produce the powerful MIOX combination. I don't think they had to prove the device safe, merely effective. However, any dissolved nitrogen or nitrates, present almost everywhere, could indeed cause the formation of the toxic cyanide ion CN- if carbon electrodes are used. I've often thought an electrode free device might work even better than the Pt ones. The idea is to capacitively couple to the electrolyte. Switching polarity fast enough can avoid, momentarily, the need to overcome the potential drop due to the 2 molecule thick interface at the anode and cathode. The water plus dielectric covered plates would provide (be) the capacitance in a resonant LC circuit. Consider the vendor supplied reactions. Anode reactions: 2 Cl- = Cl2 + 2e- 2 H2O = O2 + 4H+ + 4e- HOCl + H2O = ClO2 + 3H+ + 3e- O2 + H2O = O3 + 2H+ + 2e- The major reaction at the cathode is electrolysis of water: 2 H2O + 2e- = H2 (gas) + 2OH- The electrolyte can undergo hydrolysis with no net charge transfer: Cl2 + H2O = HOCl + Cl- + H+ HOCl = OCl- + H+ It is also notable that any chain of reactions that accomplish: 2 H2O + O2 = 2 H2O2 or: 2 H2O = 2 H2 + O2 need not involve a net electrolysis current, so these reactions should be pushed. The major products should be HOCL and H2O2. The anode and cathode reactions would still happen, but the electrons would merely be transferred back and forth to the ceramic surface, and thus the surface reactions would tend to reverse. An AC cell might be driven at less potential and still achieve the desired reactions if the frequency is high enough or at least the potential reversal fast enough. The key to success may be finding a ceramic with desirable catalytic effects, or at least which would not be eaten up in the process. I expect cavitation might be a problem. This is all pretty much a fantasy with regard to the pen. However, for bulk sterilization in well houses, it seems to me the ability to efficiently push enormous currents through the water, using resonance, might make for effective sterilization. The biological contaminates would even absorb power, and provide surfaces for formation of the decontaminates. The low operating voltage would be very safe, but it might be necessary to provide good electronic filters on the mains to avoid sending electronic noise into residences. It might even work efficiently for producing MIOX in a brine cell. I don't know. Maybe this is all just idle dreaming. Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: [Vo]:Britannica "electrolysis" concise article corrected
Electrolysis by AC through insulators when no separation of the products is required, a very ingenious and elegant idea Horace, if it's not been done before it's definitely worth investigating IMHO. With this idea you could electrolyze water through a test tube! Not sure about high frequency though, maybe some delay should be implemented between positive and negative pulses to give the products a chance to diffuse/evolve so they don't get mostly undone/recombined immediately? Otherwise I don't see why it wouldn't work on the principle, imagine you send one pulse of one polarity and then another of the opposite polarity several seconds later when everything has settled, it will be strictly as if you had sent two pulses of the same polarity won't it? Michel - Original Message - From: "Horace Heffner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Britannica "electrolysis" concise article corrected > > On Jun 10, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: > > >> >> The question is, won't it also produce nasty stuff considering the >> carbon isn't as inert as platinum? > > > It may be the commercial problem is more along the lines of needing a > catalyst to produce the powerful MIOX combination. I don't think they > had to prove the device safe, merely effective. However, any > dissolved nitrogen or nitrates, present almost everywhere, could > indeed cause the formation of the toxic cyanide ion CN- if carbon > electrodes are used. > > I've often thought an electrode free device might work even better > than the Pt ones. The idea is to capacitively couple to the > electrolyte. Switching polarity fast enough can avoid, momentarily, > the need to overcome the potential drop due to the 2 molecule thick > interface at the anode and cathode. The water plus dielectric covered > plates would provide (be) the capacitance in a resonant LC circuit. > > Consider the vendor supplied reactions. Anode reactions: >2 Cl- = Cl2 + 2e- >2 H2O = O2 + 4H+ + 4e- >HOCl + H2O = ClO2 + 3H+ + 3e- >O2 + H2O = O3 + 2H+ + 2e- > > The major reaction at the cathode is electrolysis of water: > >2 H2O + 2e- = H2 (gas) + 2OH- > > The electrolyte can undergo hydrolysis with no net charge transfer: > >Cl2 + H2O = HOCl + Cl- + H+ >HOCl = OCl- + H+ > > It is also notable that any chain of reactions that accomplish: > >2 H2O + O2 = 2 H2O2 > > or: > >2 H2O = 2 H2 + O2 > > need not involve a net electrolysis current, so these reactions > should be pushed. The major products should be HOCL and H2O2. > > The anode and cathode reactions would still happen, but the electrons > would merely be transferred back and forth to the ceramic surface, > and thus the surface reactions would tend to reverse. > > An AC cell might be driven at less potential and still achieve the > desired reactions if the frequency is high enough or at least the > potential reversal fast enough. The key to success may be finding a > ceramic with desirable catalytic effects, or at least which would not > be eaten up in the process. I expect cavitation might be a problem. > > This is all pretty much a fantasy with regard to the pen. However, > for bulk sterilization in well houses, it seems to me the ability to > efficiently push enormous currents through the water, using > resonance, might make for effective sterilization. The biological > contaminates would even absorb power, and provide surfaces for > formation of the decontaminates. The low operating voltage would be > very safe, but it might be necessary to provide good electronic > filters on the mains to avoid sending electronic noise into > residences. It might even work efficiently for producing MIOX in a > brine cell. I don't know. Maybe this is all just idle dreaming. > > Regards, > > Horace Heffner >
Re: [Vo]:the Firestorm Plug
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 10 Jun 2007 05:02:02 -0800: Hi, [snip] >I don't know who's ripping off whom, but check out the Bosch plugs: > > >http://www.boschautoparts.com/Products/SparkPlugs/IrFusion.htm >http://www.boschautoparts.com/Products/SparkPlugs/Platinum4.htm Thanks Horace, that's probably as close as I'm going to get. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:Britannica "electrolysis" concise article corrected
On Jun 10, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Michel Jullian wrote: Electrolysis by AC through insulators when no separation of the products is required, a very ingenious and elegant idea Horace, if it's not been done before it's definitely worth investigating IMHO. With this idea you could electrolyze water through a test tube! Not sure about high frequency though, maybe some delay should be implemented between positive and negative pulses to give the products a chance to diffuse/evolve so they don't get mostly undone/ recombined immediately? Otherwise I don't see why it wouldn't work on the principle, imagine you send one pulse of one polarity and then another of the opposite polarity several seconds later when everything has settled, it will be strictly as if you had sent two pulses of the same polarity won't it? Yes, if the bubbles can be made to evolve. The bubbles typically collapse due to recombination in an AC cell. This may be an interesting variation on cavitation based cold fusion because the bubble collapse is concurrent with the recombination reaction, and if the current is high enough it causes the plates to light up with activity. Some years ago here I posted a bunch of ideas along the lines of capacitive AC linking of power to electrolytic cells. A couple of them are very relevant to your comment. One was to use scraper blades on the plates that would scrape the bubbles off the plates, enough blades to ensure most bubbles from one polarity are removed before the next polarity begins. Another was to use plastic bubble scraping particles in the electrolyte, which are pumped by narrowly separated plates and then into a de-bubbler, or the particles are suspended in a solution stirred past the plates by a stirrer and then degassed (de-bubbled) by action of the stirrer with stator blades. I also suggested a number of variants involving rotation of external DC charged metal plates (or electrets) which would create the effect of AC without expensive high current equipment, and which could thus directly turn mechanical motion into electrolysis. Another variant I suggested for electrolysis is to use a hybrid triode cell. Large plate anodes and cathodes would carry the bulk of the current based on large changing external potentials due to AC on fixed plates, or moving external DC plates (see Fig. 1). Small bias electrodes B could be included between the plates (though shown to the side for convenience) to maintain a potential bias on the plates which selectively affects the percentages of anode or cathode products produced, or plate anodic erosion, by selectively overcoming the initial 2 molecule interface layer bias potential of one of either the plate anodes or plate cathodes, as determined by the bias electrode B potential chosen. The resistance R1 of the bias circuit is much higher than the resistance R2 + R3 of the plate interconnect circuit. The DC bias used might be about 1.5 V for a cell operated at about 6 VAC. - - - - - - - - - - - - + + + + + + + + + + + + X X X + + + + + + + + + + + + - - - - - - - - - - - - B X X| || X X===R2==R3===| X X || X ||XX || R1 | || || (-) (+) Key: =,| Wires Ri Resistance XXX Dielectric cell wall + + Metal Anode - - Metal Cathode ( ) DC Power supply lead Fig. 1 - Top view diagram of AC-DC hybrid electrolytic cell. Some other ideas for electrolytic cells I collected into: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Electrolyser.pdf Regards, Horace Heffner
[Vo]:Tesla Revisted
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:14:36 -0500: Hi, [snip] > >Could the electron and the nucleus as a magnetically coupled resonant >systems explain why energy states are quantized? [snip] Energy states are quantized IMO because the De Broglie wave of the electron needs to be in phase with itself as it wraps around the circumference of the atom. If it gets out of phase, then it tends to annihilate itself at the radius at which it is out of phase, thus ensuring that only certain radii are stable. Therefore electrons can only permanently reside at certain radii, and must jump from one to the next when gaining or losing energy. Consequently energy is absorbed or lost in fixed amounts, i.e. it is quantized. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:em waves and pocket calculators/was Witricity scheme
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:16:47 -0500: Hi, [snip] >> Calculators have their own inbuilt "clock" which is a quartz oscillator, and >> also divider circuits, so they produce a number of radio frequencies. If the >> Walkman is tuned to a frequency close to one of those generated by the >> calculator, then a slow difference frequency will be generated which could be >> the thump-thump sound. >> >> Regards, >> >> Robin van Spaandonk >> >> The shrub is a plant. >> > >ok, thanks for that explanation, but can you say bit more about "difference >frequency"? When two frequencies affect one another, then modulation occurs, and as a consequence both sum and difference frequencies arise. If the two frequencies happen to be very close together, then the difference can be quite low and easily audible. You can hear this when slowly tuning an AM radio in to a weak station. There is a whistling sound, which drops in pitch as you get closer to the station, well at least there used to be on old radios. In modern radios, I think they build in suppression circuits which prevent any sound coming from the speakers until you are actually directly on the station. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:Goose bumps at the surface of a polarized liquid submitted to a field
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Michel Jullian wrote: > Bill, > > A friend just sent me this link: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpBxCnHU8Ao > Beautiful video. The bumps at the beginning (threshold field presumably) > may be relevant to your airthreads phenomenon. Such bumps are known to arise with distilled de-ionized (DI) water. But for tap water, there is no molecular alignment because the e-fields within the water are zero when opposite ions are attracted to the surface, serving as a conductive shield. > Here the field is > magnetic rather than electric and the fluid is magnetically polarized I've played with a large quantity of ferrofluid. The "spines" are very similar to the spines seen when a magnet picks up quantities of iron powder. One huge blob of iron powder is unstable, and instead the blob breaks into two spines which repel each other, then those break up as well, ideally forming an array. (Oddly enough, ferrofluid forms square arrays of spines, rather than hexagonal close-packing.) > (ferromagnetic fluid, contains tiny magnetic dipoles) rather than > electrically polarized (water molecules are tiny electric dipoles) but a > similar goose bumping phenomenon could be expected in your experiment, > although obviously on a smaller scale as otherwise the bumps would have > been visible. > Wrt the hollow you unambiguously observed by laser > reflection, might it have been a "valley" between several bumps or the > inside of a volcano-like structure? I guess I wasn't clear enough.When a relatively huge flow of "electric wind" blows from a metal needle, it blasts a huge hole in the mist layer (many cm diameter) with lots of easily observed turbulent stirring of the fog. And at the same time, it pushes a valley into the water. This is not the "air threads" or filaments I observed. Instead it's a high-current phenomenon on the scale of microamps or hundreds of nanoamps. It only appears when a metal needle is held appx 10cm from the water surface. The "air threads" or fibers which create mm-wide holes in the fog... those don't create any easily-detected changes in the water surface. These "threads" are created by holding a sharp, high-resistance non-metal object appx 30cm from the water surface. I used carbon fibers, torn paper edges, and human hairs (especially eyelashes) to create the thread-like phenomena. I only conducted a brief test when looking for water surface deflections. Perhaps an experiment more carefully performed than my own will detect a pimple or a valley. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 425-222-5066unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Tesla Revisted
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > Energy states are quantized IMO because the De Broglie wave of the electron > needs to be in phase with itself as it wraps around the circumference of the > atom. Carver Mead wrote an interesting little book about this, called "Collective Electrodynamics," 2002 paperback edition, ISBN 0-262-13378-4 He concludes that EM waves alone can cause electrons to suddenly jump to higher energy. In his worldview, atoms absorb and emit long wavetrains, but not the infinite wavetrains required of single-frequency photons. He discovered the hole in physics: the detailed operation of receiving antennas as applied to atomic absorption. For him, photons are an unnecessary complication, and are just an artifact of the quantum jumps in electron energy. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 425-222-5066unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Filament ion jets
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Horace Heffner wrote: > I just got around to reading the experimental results at: > > http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/airexp.html > > I was surprised to see: "- I can't see any effects from a 3/4" > neodymium magnet. At 10nA, the magnetism around each thread must be > incredibly small." That's an indication the ratio of q/m is very > small. A very tiny current still makes for a large deflection if q/m > is large. That's only for vacuum environment. If fluid mechanics plays a role in the forming of the narrow flow pattern, then perhaps the EM forces might be insignificant when compared to the fluid forces. If so, then a magnet might have no noticable effect on the charged stream in air, while it would have a huge effect if the same stream was flying through a vacuum. > Looks like you have a large molecular chain made of polar > molecules, maybe made of H20 or CO2 or both, with very high > resistance. Or it could just be a fairly slow flow of charged matter. Such a stream might have a narrow shape which is stable, just as narrow fluid laminar jets are a stable shape. I strongly suspect that these "filaments" are fluid jets which would normally become turbulent, but somehow the electrostatic forces are somehow suppressing any turbulence. Somehow the EM forces would make any kinks in the flow pattern become smaller, rather than growing as they usually would. If so, then the same electrostatic forces might suppress turbulence on aircraft surfaces if those aircraft could be coated with ions and subjected to a strong e-field. Others like JL Naudin think that the military uses this to suppress sonic booms. But what if it suppresses turbulence as well? On high-RE devices such as aircraft surfaces, most friction is due to turbulence and not do to viscous drag. If turbulence is gone, then fuel use is drastically lowered, and a long-distance bomber could be very small (not like a B-52.) One way to do such a thing would be to cover an aircraft with piezo ceramic tiles, drive the fuselage with high voltage AC to create a plasma layer in the air adjacent to the tiles, then charge the fuselage to one HV polarity to create the DC electrical forces. (And perhaps add a bit of carbon in the tile ceramic to allow some microamps of DC leakage.) I had the above idea in my head for years, and now recently someone has found pieces of "tile" pucks which look much like I imagine, and which also appear to have suffered a high voltage burn-through that could have been the reason the tiles fell from the sky: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=Eyewitness2007 (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 425-222-5066unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
