Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-23 Thread Nick Palmer
Jones is buying loads of cheap compact fluorescents instead of currently 
available solar PV panels. He think he will be making a bigger impact. He is 
right! However, it's worth saying that, like large fluorescents, these bulbs 
contain mercury vapour. From personal experience with cheap compacts (though 
nowhere not as cheap as this!) they have a fairly high failure rate in the 
first couple of days and one of the failure modes was the tubes just 
breaking off where they are attached to the base, thus letting the mercury 
escape IN YOUR HOUSE. Can you let me know how your U light America bulbs 
do, Jones?


Nick Palmer 



[Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-23 Thread Michel Jullian

- Original Message - 
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to 
this comment)


 Michel Jullian wrote:
 
Jed wrote:

 There are none in dispute. We will accept any or all.

You are hereby sentenced to add in the form of his choice, because readers 
don't give a damn about the format in which they can access a previously 
unavailable resource . . .
 
 That is incorrect. Readers care a lot about format, and even more about 
 presentation quality. I know a lot more about this subject than you do. I 
 have distributed 800,000 previously unavailable papers about cold fusion, so 
 I know what readers want. Messy, low-quality papers at LENR-CANR attract very 
 few readers, whereas good papers are downloaded thousands of times a year. If 
 you upload fax-machine quality low-res scanned images of a paper, with 
 sideways, blacked-out overexposed figures and spelling mistakes, you will be 
 lucky if 5 people a week read it. Convert that same paper to a proper format 
 and if the content is any good, hundreds of people will download it every 
 week.
 
 I enumerated the reasons why I think this standard is best. If you see a 
 technical problem on that list of reasons, let's hear it. Otherwise, don't 
 tell me how to do my job. I have been publishing technical information for 
 decades, and I do not take kindly to amateur kvetching.

Jed, your standard is indeed best for online publishing, this kvetching amateur 
doesn't deny this. But please clarify: is LENR.org a publishing house or a 
library? If it is an online library as advertised, I respectfully submit that 
its role is not to edit/improve the original work, especially not against the 
will of its author. As a professional technical information publisher but, as 
you will certainly agree, an amateur librarian, you could take example on 
Google Books, or Amazon Look/Search Inside, who provide high quality scanned 
images of the original works, see e.g.

http://books.google.com/books?id=O5f3L2GfXBQChl=en (Relativity: the special 
and the general theory By Albert Einstein)

and try the search function, you'll see it is quite usable. Would you agree to 
a searchable image pdf format of this kind of quality? Would Mitchell? Of 
course you realize that apart from its technical merits 
(quality/fidelity/searchability), this format has the additional advantage of 
being a neutral ground where you and Mitchell could meet without any of you 
winning or losing this regrettable dispute.

Just my 2 cents

Michel



Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-23 Thread R.C.Macaulay


Nick Palmer wrote..


they have a fairly high failure rate in the

first couple of days and one of the failure modes was the tubes just
breaking off where they are attached to the base, thus letting the mercury
escape IN YOUR HOUSE. Can you let me know how your U light America bulbs
do, Jones?

Howdy Nick,

Failure rate here has been horrific until the new Sylvania bulbs 
arrived..For the past two years all  have failed.

Don't ask for warranty.. on the extended warranty claims of long life.

Richard



Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-23 Thread Jones Beene
--- Nick  Richard,

I will report on any unusual failure rate. Thus far I
have put in about 65-70 of the eighty purchased - no
problem, but it is clear that the one obvious design
flaw exists - and this is not idiot proof. In general
every consumer product must be idiot proof.

 they have a fairly
 high failure rate in the 
 first couple of days and one of the failure modes
 was the tubes just 
 breaking off where they are attached to the base,
 thus letting the mercury 
 escape IN YOUR HOUSE. Can you let me know how your
 U light America bulbs 
 do, Jones?

Yes. With the more expensive Syvania, etc bulbs
(twenty or more times more expensive) the fragile
glass spiral is (often but not always) enclosed in a
plastic sleeve or globe which does two things: It
keeps an idiot from trying to screw the bulb in or out
by grasping the fragile glass, instead of base, and it
keeps any vapor released on failure inside. Actually I
have never had even a single failure of any compact
fluorescent going back what, ten years?

However those Sylavania bulbs are far less bright than
these, and often are not a usable replacement for
reading. OTOH they draw only 15 watts. These are
easily as bright as 100 watt incandescent while
drawing less than 1/4 the power (23 watts) - and the
light is perfect for reading - not too blue and zero
noise.

Anyone know how they get the voltage up there with no
ballast hiss and at such low cost ?

It would have been so very simple to enclose this
glass spiral in a protective plastic external layer --
that it is crazy not to have done so = and indeed this
is most likely why they are inexpensive. I suspect
these should never be used in a house where a child or
even teenager would be tempted to replace one, as they
would surely not know how - or read the instructions
and would twist the spiral Not that adults or
anyone else reads instructions these days.

Jones




Re: [Vo]:Mirror Matter, SLC erzions

2007-07-23 Thread Horace Heffner

Thanks Jones for this interesting reference.


On Jul 22, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Jones Beene wrote:


This is a resend as it seems the there was a problem
the first one. Horace has mentioned the continuing
mystery of mirror matter and a possible involvement in LENR.

Is it possible that mirror matter accumulates to a
greater degree at higher elevation, like at Salt Lake
City.


Yes.  Having negative mass, it is more likely to stay on earth or at  
least accessible if it binds with condensed matter on the surface and  
not atmospheric gas.




At least that hypothesis is easily falsifiable
by using identical cells - one at sea level and then
the same cell a mile-higher, and comparing results.

Or ...

20 years ago, Bazhutov of Russia introduced the
concept of the erzion: in Interpretation of cold
nuclear fusion by means of erzion catalysis.


Was that before Fleischmann and Pons?  Is there a reference published  
about that time?  The earliest reference [1] in the paper was 1979,  
but it gives no title or even hint as to topic.





Hands up Voticians - how many remember that notable
occasion in the history of CF? Just as I thought -
nada.

Not to worry, Russians do not give up easily, as
Napoleon and Hitler discovered to their mutual
humiliation.

Muons are indeed known to catalyze cold fusion, and
could, in principle, be the cause of a more repeatable
variety of LENR in some locations, since they arrive
at the Earth's surface in cosmic showers and would
have longer effective lifetimes at higher elevation.

The short life time of the normal variety precludes
the possibility of robust Muon catalyzed fusion in
normal circumstances.  But what if there were another,
heavy and negative particle with much longer life, in
these cosmic showers - or from a solar source? Muons
would possibly have dual, even dual-dual identity.
Mirror matter muons might be longer lived.



Mirror matter muons would not have the negative charge that ordinary  
muons do, and which catalyzes ordinary fusion.





The Russians call these hypothetical particles
erzions, and postulate that they could have been
accumulating on the Earth's surface for a long time,
maybe everywhere or maybe in places with less magnetic
interference.

Erzion catalysis would proceed like muon catalysis and
if erzions are long lived, cold fusion is more easily
explained, along with some other physical mysteries
such as Lebed-X3 energy. The result would be (4)He,
thus accounting for the dearth of neutrons; some would
however be emitted as secondaries.

OK now here is the latest paper from Yu.N.Bazhutov
Moscow State Technical University:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0106218



Interesting this was pre-print in 2001 but it is about experiments in  
1979 and 1999.




... a reflection of a man ahead of his time? or else
more Russian Scat? (you must read the paper to get the
SKAT punnage).

Jones





Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/





Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-23 Thread Edmund Storms
Michel, you seem to miss the point to this discussion. The LENR website 
is whatever Jed wants it to be. We started the site and Jed operates it 
without pay for the benefit of the field. In addition, he applies the 
highest standards to this operation. Yet, when Swartz raise the issue of 
censorship based on his own inability to communicate, this is accepted 
as a plausible complaint. At any time Swartz could make his papers 
available either on LENR by meeting our standards or on his own site. 
This is not a two-sided issue. On the one side are two people who are 
working hard to advance knowledge about cold fusion and on the other 
side is someone who complains about an issue he could easily correct, 
all the while insulting Jed and I by his insinuation.


Ed

Michel Jullian wrote:

- Original Message - 
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to 
this comment)




Michel Jullian wrote:



Jed wrote:



There are none in dispute. We will accept any or all.


You are hereby sentenced to add in the form of his choice, because readers 
don't give a damn about the format in which they can access a previously unavailable 
resource . . .


That is incorrect. Readers care a lot about format, and even more about 
presentation quality. I know a lot more about this subject than you do. I have 
distributed 800,000 previously unavailable papers about cold fusion, so I know 
what readers want. Messy, low-quality papers at LENR-CANR attract very few 
readers, whereas good papers are downloaded thousands of times a year. If you 
upload fax-machine quality low-res scanned images of a paper, with sideways, 
blacked-out overexposed figures and spelling mistakes, you will be lucky if 5 
people a week read it. Convert that same paper to a proper format and if the 
content is any good, hundreds of people will download it every week.

I enumerated the reasons why I think this standard is best. If you see a 
technical problem on that list of reasons, let's hear it. Otherwise, don't tell 
me how to do my job. I have been publishing technical information for decades, 
and I do not take kindly to amateur kvetching.



Jed, your standard is indeed best for online publishing, this kvetching amateur 
doesn't deny this. But please clarify: is LENR.org a publishing house or a 
library? If it is an online library as advertised, I respectfully submit that 
its role is not to edit/improve the original work, especially not against the 
will of its author. As a professional technical information publisher but, as 
you will certainly agree, an amateur librarian, you could take example on 
Google Books, or Amazon Look/Search Inside, who provide high quality scanned 
images of the original works, see e.g.

http://books.google.com/books?id=O5f3L2GfXBQChl=en (Relativity: the special and 
the general theory By Albert Einstein)

and try the search function, you'll see it is quite usable. Would you agree to a searchable image 
pdf format of this kind of quality? Would Mitchell? Of course you realize that apart from its 
technical merits (quality/fidelity/searchability), this format has the additional advantage of 
being a neutral ground where you and Mitchell could meet without any of you winning or 
losing this regrettable dispute.

Just my 2 cents

Michel






Re: [Vo]:Mirror Matter, SLC erzions

2007-07-23 Thread Jones Beene
--- Horace Heffner wrote:

 Mirror matter muons would not have the negative
charge that ordinary muons do, and which catalyzes
ordinary fusion.

Yes... but wasn't your hypothesis that the two -
normal matter and mirror matter might occasionally
bind together? Presumably the properties of the bound
pair would be different from either.

Were you able to follow the Russian theoretical
argument ?

BTW the reference to Lebed X-3 energy probably relates
to the cygnon  or other emissions from Cygnus X-3 

http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/altvw12.html

which is far different from a muon or mirror muon, so
this paper may be of little value to LENR.

Jones



Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-23 Thread Jed Rothwell

Michel Jullian wrote:

Jed, your standard is indeed best for online publishing, this 
kvetching amateur doesn't deny this. But please clarify: is LENR.org 
a publishing house or a library?


A library. We seldom publish original papers. (Except ahem my book 
. . . and a few review papers.) Everything comes from other published 
sources, so that makes it a library.



 If it is an online library as advertised, I respectfully submit 
that its role is not to edit/improve the original work, especially 
not against the will of its author.


Now look, Michel, I already told you this. I would NEVER, EVER, NOT 
IN 1 MILLION YEARS DO ANYTHING AGAINST THE WLL OF THE AUTHOR. Got it? 
NEVER. I would not edit a paper, or upload one, or remove one. Swartz 
claims that I do but -- to put it bluntly -- he is full of shit.


Please get this through your head once and for all: I DO NOT ACT 
AGAINST THE WILL OF THE AUTHOR. Except in 3 cases out of 600 when we 
decided not to upload papers. That's a 0.5% rejection rate, which is 
much lower than a public library. All libraries reject books.



 As a professional technical information publisher but, as you will 
certainly agree, an amateur librarian, you could take example on 
Google Books, or Amazon Look/Search Inside, who provide high 
quality scanned images of the original works, see e.g.


First of all, the images supplied by Swartz was not high quality. 
They were dreadful, like a fax machine copy. I do not think any 
self-respecting web master would upload them. Second, Google and 
Amazon books may upload images, but scientific publishers do not do 
this anymore, because text quality and precision is more important in 
scientific publication than ordinary publications. See: 
http://arxiv.org/help/faq/whytex




and try the search function, you'll see it is quite usable.


The search function works because the documents have been partially 
or fully OCRed, usually with lots of mistakes. In some sites they are 
OCRed on demand, which generates even more errors. As long as you are 
going to the trouble to OCR a document you might as well spend an 
extra hour or two and do it right.




 Would you agree to a searchable image pdf format of this kind of quality?


No. The quality of searchable PDF files is lousy, and they cannot be 
read by some PDF readers, especially ones in Japan, China and other 
non-European languages. There is no benefit to this format, other 
than the time it saves to prepare the document, and as I said, an 
author should be willing to spare an hour for an audience of 300,000 
people per year. I set these standards for good reasons. I have dealt 
with hundreds of authors and every one of them was pleased to take 
some time to proofread papers. Swartz is the only author who has ever 
complained or asked me to upload papers in some other format.




 Would Mitchell?


Of course not! He will not upload these papers in any format, at his 
site, my site or any other. His complaints about the format are bogus 
nonsense. If I agreed to upload his unreadable scans, he would 
immediately come up with some other excuse, and he would demand that 
I remove the papers or face a lawsuit. It is all an act -- it is 
nothing but bogus excuses and nonsense. If he had any intention of 
making these papers available he would have uploaded them to his own 
website years ago.


- Jed



[Vo]:IAEA to examine Kashiwahara reactor

2007-07-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
The Japanese the government and power company officials announced 
that International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) has agreed to examine 
the damaged Kashiwahara reactor and report to the public on its 
conditions. This tells me the public does not trust the Japanese 
government or the power companies! It is embarrassing. The government 
is scrambling to establish credibility because there is a national 
election this week, and tourism in the area has dropped off 
precipitously and people are refusing to eat produce or fish from the 
area because they fear radioactive contamination.


Ah, here is a news article in English:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101sid=ag2oi7qye.Z4refer=japan

NHK news on Sunday showed several still photos and videos of the 
damaged plant, for the first in-depth look. They showed a grainy 
still photo of the toppled radwaste drums, and several shots of 
buckled roads, retaining walls and building walls with gaps and . . . 
umm . . . (dansou in Japanese -- not sure what they are called in 
English) . . . shear faults: vertical gaps as large as ~1 meter where 
the land fell leaving the wall exposed or collapsed. Despite the 
damage, the main facility seems intact to me, but who knows. The IAEA 
will soon know.


Power company and government officials say they had no idea the plant 
was near a major earthquake fault. It looks to me it is right on top 
of a fault! Japan is the most earthquake prone country on earth, and 
they spend billions researching and preparing for earthquakes, so I 
do not believe for a second that they were unaware of this fault. The 
public does not trust them because they say things like this.


The earthquake also damaged a Riken Corp. factory that produces a 
engine parts for, it turns out, most cars made in Japan, including 
cars by Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Mitusbishi. Because they use 
just-in-time supplies, production lines all over the country are 
shutting down for lack of piston rings. Apparently they put all their 
eggs in one basket. 600 experts were dispatched to the factory and I 
think NHK said that partial production has already resumed, and the 
factory will be fully back on line this week.


I have complained about the incompetence of officials in Japan during 
this disaster, but I must say, overall they've done a splendid job. 
Perhaps this is because of the upcoming election, as I said, but 
that's the beauty of elections: officials at every level are 
scrambling! The news showed a five-minute segment of Prime Minister 
Abe sitting at a long table surrounded by local and national 
officials and military people, and he was talking about diapers. 
Diapers! Also hand wipes, water, electric fans and portable air 
conditioners. What a contrast with the US response to Katrina! I 
expect Japanese officials were thinking about Katrina, and also the 
Japanese government's inept response to the 1995 Kobe earthquake.


Local neighborhood organizations also worked well in this disaster. I 
have read that in major disasters affecting entire geographic areas, 
most victims are rescued by neighbors and ordinary people, rather 
than rescue workers. After the Kobe earthquake officials organized 
neighborhood-watch groups to help old and disabled people. Thousands 
of volunteers arrived from all over the country over the weekend to 
assist in the cleanup.


Another remarkable technical accomplishment reported on the news is 
an Internet connected earthquake warning device. Several of these 
experimental gadgets were installed in houses in the prefecture. When 
seismology lab sensors detect early waves, they issue an alarm over 
the Internet ~30 seconds to one minute before the main quake shock 
waves. Several of these devices worked according to spec. They flash 
a light and chant in robotic Japanese earthquake, earthquake, 
earthquake . . . Unfortunately, they were in houses distant from the 
epicenter where the magnitude was only 4 or 5 and there was little 
damage. I do not think any were installed in the severely damaged 
areas. Still, they went off, and one mother and child interviewed on 
the news said they had time to get out of the house before the quake 
struck. Even 30 seconds warning would save lives.


- Jed



[Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-23 Thread Michel Jullian

- Original Message - 
From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to 
this comment)


 Michel Jullian wrote:
 
Jed, your standard is indeed best for online publishing, this 
kvetching amateur doesn't deny this. But please clarify: is LENR.org 
a publishing house or a library?
 
 A library. We seldom publish original papers. (Except ahem my book 
 . . . and a few review papers.) Everything comes from other published 
 sources, so that makes it a library.
 
 
  If it is an online library as advertised, I respectfully submit 
 that its role is not to edit/improve the original work, especially 
 not against the will of its author.
 
 Now look, Michel, I already told you this. I would NEVER, EVER, NOT 
 IN 1 MILLION YEARS DO ANYTHING AGAINST THE WLL OF THE AUTHOR. Got it? 
 NEVER. I would not edit a paper, or upload one, or remove one. Swartz 
 claims that I do but -- to put it bluntly -- he is full of shit.
 
 Please get this through your head once and for all: I DO NOT ACT 
 AGAINST THE WILL OF THE AUTHOR. Except in 3 cases out of 600 when we 
 decided not to upload papers. That's a 0.5% rejection rate, which is 
 much lower than a public library. All libraries reject books.

Please don't shout. Sorry I was unclear, what I meant was: if the author 
thinks, understandably, that it's not the business of a library to tamper with 
the original work, don't insist that it must be edited/improved to upload it, 
act as a library and upload it.

  As a professional technical information publisher but, as you will 
 certainly agree, an amateur librarian, you could take example on 
 Google Books, or Amazon Look/Search Inside, who provide high 
 quality scanned images of the original works, see e.g.
 
 First of all, the images supplied by Swartz was not high quality. 
 They were dreadful, like a fax machine copy. I do not think any 
 self-respecting web master would upload them.

Better images can be made from an original paper print, he says you have the 
papers in print.

 Second, Google and 
 Amazon books may upload images, but scientific publishers do not do 
 this anymore, because text quality and precision is more important in 
 scientific publication than ordinary publications. See: 
 http://arxiv.org/help/faq/whytex

Yes but you are not a scientific publisher, that's my point, why act as one?

and try the search function, you'll see it is quite usable.
 
 The search function works because the documents have been partially 
 or fully OCRed, usually with lots of mistakes. In some sites they are 
 OCRed on demand, which generates even more errors. As long as you are 
 going to the trouble to OCR a document you might as well spend an 
 extra hour or two and do it right.
 
 
  Would you agree to a searchable image pdf format of this kind of quality?
 
 No. The quality of searchable PDF files is lousy, and they cannot be 
 read by some PDF readers, especially ones in Japan, China and other 
 non-European languages.

Then let them use Acrobat Reader. Also think of the time you would save, 
uploading images would allow you to have very rapidly a virtually complete 
collection, thousands rather than hundreds of CF papers.

 There is no benefit to this format, other 
 than the time it saves to prepare the document, and as I said, an 
 author should be willing to spare an hour for an audience of 300,000 
 people per year. I set these standards for good reasons. I have dealt 
 with hundreds of authors and every one of them was pleased to take 
 some time to proofread papers. Swartz is the only author who has ever 
 complained or asked me to upload papers in some other format.
 
 
  Would Mitchell?
 
 Of course not! He will not upload these papers in any format, at his 
 site, my site or any other. His complaints about the format are bogus 
 nonsense.

 If I agreed to upload his unreadable scans, he would 
 immediately come up with some other excuse,

Then why don't you try him? Whether or not he comes up with another excuse will 
tell us who was in good faith and who wasn't, which is quite unclear at the 
moment.

Michel

 and he would demand that 
 I remove the papers or face a lawsuit. It is all an act -- it is 
 nothing but bogus excuses and nonsense. If he had any intention of 
 making these papers available he would have uploaded them to his own 
 website years ago.
 
 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:Re: Ed/Jed-Mitchell dispute (was Re: Requesting comments to this comment)

2007-07-23 Thread Jed Rothwell

Michel Jullian wrote:


 decided not to upload papers. That's a 0.5% rejection rate, which is
 much lower than a public library. All libraries reject books.

Please don't shout. Sorry I was unclear, what I meant was: if the 
author thinks, understandably, that it's not the business of a 
library to tamper with the original work, don't insist that it must 
be edited/improved to upload it, act as a library and upload it.


In my opinion, changing the format to text Acrobat is not 
tampering. This is analogous to a public library that demands a 
hardback copy instead of paperback. Or, you might compare it to what 
a library physically does with a book: they throw away the paper 
slipcover, they glue on identification strips, and then they burn DDS 
number into the spine of the book. This does not affect the content, 
and neither does changing the format from image to text Acrobat.



Better images can be made from an original paper print, he says you 
have the papers in print.


He is wrong. I do not have the papers in print. I offered to make 
better scans if he mails them. Any scanner could make a better copy 
than the one he sent me.




. . . but scientific publishers do not do
 this anymore, because text quality and precision is more important in
 scientific publication than ordinary publications. See:
 http://arxiv.org/help/faq/whytex

Yes but you are not a scientific publisher, that's my point, why act as one?


Of course I am! What else would I be? Every paper on LENR-CANR is 
about science.




 No. The quality of searchable PDF files is lousy, and they cannot be
 read by some PDF readers, especially ones in Japan, China and other
 non-European languages.

Then let them use Acrobat Reader.


That is what they use. It does not work with some of these searchable 
PDF files, and files converted with strange parameters. I have dealt 
with hundreds of PDF files in every format. They have many problems. 
Text Acrobat has the least number of problems.



Also think of the time you would save, uploading images would allow 
you to have very rapidly a virtually complete collection, thousands 
rather than hundreds of CF papers.


The format is not holding me back. I cannot upload additional papers 
because the authors have not given me permission. (Most of them do 
not respond.) Dieter Britz sent me a scanned collection of  1,283 
papers, plus I have several hundred more on paper.


Also, there is no point to saving time if you upload unreadable glop.



 If I agreed to upload his unreadable scans, he would
 immediately come up with some other excuse,

Then why don't you try him?


Why don't YOU try him? He is a very trying person. Go ahead and ask 
him why he does not upload these papers to his own web page, in the 
scanned image format.


You deal with him, and leave me out of it.

- Jed



Re: [Vo]:Bearden weighs in on STEORN

2007-07-23 Thread Mark Goldes
Steve,

You end with FWIW.

I have to say, as with much of Bearden's ranting...not much!

Mark

OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess it was inevitable.

Tom Bearden has weighed in on the recent STEORN incident.

See:
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/072107.htm

According to Bearden it would appear that the STEORN device may have
suffered the fate of having been ...moved to the 'new' site with a
new local vacuum dynamics. Just to clarify, Bearden's explanation is
a tad more technical than what the above sentence would lead one to
assume.

Predictably, Bearden also speculated that ...the bad guys may have
adversely altered the machine's operation ...from a distance.

It's clear that many in the Vortex group do not hold Bearden's
research in high regard. Nevertheless, Bearden's concluding
paragraphs, at least for me, seemed to capture the STEORN-KINETICA
mishap in a provocatively stimulating way:

With high probability, one or the other � a natural change of local
'system to vacuum' interaction and dynamics, or an 'artificial'
alteration of local 'system to vacuum' interaction with the Steorn
machine � was what happened to cause Steorn's failed demo.

The fact that it occurred with repeated change of the affected
bearings in the machine shows that it was (again with high
probability) not the bearings that were at fault. That means the
environmental vacuum potential was indeed altered and different from
what the machine is designed for.

FWIW,

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com




Re: [Vo]:IAEA to examine KashiwaZAKI reactor

2007-07-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
I called it the Kashiwahara reactor for some reason. It is 
Kashiwazaki (Oakpoint), not ~hara (field).


Iwamura, in case you are wondering, means Rockville. Japanese 
placenames and personal names may sound exotic, but they are 
pedestrian-sounding in translation.


I know lots of Japanese placenames. I once spent 6 months 
transcribing them for the U.S. Army in case we ever want to bomb them again.


- Jed



Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-23 Thread R.C.Macaulay

It would have been so very simple to enclose this
glass spiral in a protective plastic external layer --
that it is crazy not to have done so = and indeed this
is most likely why they are inexpensive. I suspect
these should never be used in a house where a child or
even teenager would be tempted to replace one, as they
would surely not know how - or read the instructions
and would twist the spiral Not that adults or
anyone else reads instructions these days.

Jones

Howdy Jones.

Most failure experienced on 42 watt  N:VISION brand. The lower wattage bulbs 
have better life.

Don't try using a dimmer control.  BI its gone !

Richard



[Vo]:Thermovoltaic fab first

2007-07-23 Thread Charles M. Brown
I decided to start with fabricating an InSb thermovoltaic 
cell made by atomic layer electrolytic deposition because 
it is mostly Georgia University Augusta's process so 
university technology transfer issues can be reduced while 
fulfilling the objective of absorbing ambient heat in 
order to produce electrical power. It probably has less 
power density than a diode array. I brought this to the 
attention of Min Gao an inSb themovoltaic cell expert at 
Cardiff University Wales. The InSb will be heavily Te 
doped to be highly conductive n type. Please help me avoid 
non fundamental prototyping errors that would jeopardize 
the project. If an interesting amount of thermovoltic 
power is seen and the group is harmonious, prototype 
development attention will return to the diode array 


Aloha,

Charlie



Re: [Vo]:Bearden weighs in on STEORN

2007-07-23 Thread Horace Heffner


On Jul 23, 2007, at 4:52 PM, Zachary Jones wrote:





I suppose I largely hold this same sense - though it does make me  
think of the PK/mind-machine affect documented by the PEAR lab.   
(Tests in which operator intention causes deviations in random  
systems)


I think their random number generation was not random.  Their  
hysteresis correction method was not totally effective.   I put forth  
a better method but I doubt anything like it was ever used and I  
would have no reason to think they would have see it. I think the  
project is defunct.


http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RandPad.pdf

I do wonder if any hysteresis correction at all was necessary  
though.  It might mask real stuff.  Output from truly random  
processes, though having biased distributions, might better have been  
handled by comparative statistical methods.



Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/





Re: [Vo]:Re: Cheap solar a couple years away?

2007-07-23 Thread Horace Heffner


On Jul 23, 2007, at 3:55 PM, R.C.Macaulay wrote:




Most failure experienced on 42 watt  N:VISION brand. The lower  
wattage bulbs have better life.

Don't try using a dimmer control.  BI its gone !


Also, most bulbs warn not to use them in enclosures like bathroom fan  
lights. (I suppose they overheat?)   I've used them outside (also a  
no no) in sub-zero weather (bigger no no) but in a bulb enclosure  
(three wrongs make a right in this case?) with no problem.


I just came from Wal-Mart and was very surprised to see a large  
collection of GE (exposed spiral) type compact fluorescents, and  
almost no other brands on the shelf.


Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/





Re: [Vo]:Re: centripetal force question

2007-07-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On 22/7/2007 4:30 PM, Michel Jullian wrote:

 
 - Original Message -
 From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 10:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: centripetal force question
 
 
 ...
 Interesting thread. The reason I started it was because I'd like
 to 
 know, suppose the earth started spinning faster, say 10 times it's
 present rotational speed, how much weight would I loose?
 
 
 
 your weight lost in newtons would be:  mr(w^2)
 
 where m is your mass in kg,
 w is revolutions/second,
 
 radians/second actually (2*pi*rotations/second)
 

yes, indeed.

Harry

 and r is the radius of earth in meters.
 
 To convert newtons to pounds multiply by .225
 



Re: [Vo]:Re: centripetal force question

2007-07-23 Thread Harry Veeder
On 21/7/2007 2:52 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:


On Jul 21, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:



But if the hand of God placed a non-rotating wheel (wrt to distant stars)

in the supporting frame, then it would behave as I drew it? ;-)

All you would need to get the rotation right would be a sidereal drive from
a telescope equatorial mount.

If you extracted any energy from the wheel motion wrt earth though, its
angular velocity would change to closer to that of earth, until it matched
and no more ennergy would be available.  No free lunch there, but the answer
to the above question is yes.  

Yes, although in this case I  wasn't specifically looking for a free
lunch...
but maybe a free ride. ;-)

Harry









Re: [Vo]:Re: Degenerate electrons, electron fugacity, and cold fusion

2007-07-23 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to  Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:38:09 -0800:
Hi Horace,
[snip]
I think Bill has a device somewhere on his web page that can create very high
momentary voltages. Perhaps long enough to bring about fusion in the cathode
(though as you pointed out, a gas cell may work better).
The device comprises two coupled capacitors. One of the two is a door-knob type,
the other is a sheet of foil wrapped around a fluorescent tube. When the tube is
lit the plasma forms a second electrode separated from the foil by the glass
wall of the tube. The foil is wired to the door-knob cap. When the tube is lit,
the foil can be charged negatively relative to ground. If the tube is turned
off, the plasma electrode disappears (its charge going to ground), and the
charge on the foil is no longer balanced. This results in the charge spreading
itself as thinly as possible over the metal surfaces with which it is in
contact, including the door-knob cap. Because a single pole capacitor has a much
smaller capacitance than a plate capacitor, the voltage jumps enormously.

Now if this door-knob cap. happens to be made of e.g. nickel, and furthermore is
already saturated with Hydrogen, then fireworks may ensue. :)

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

The shrub is a plant.



Re: [Vo]:Bearden weighs in on STEORN

2007-07-23 Thread thomas malloy

Zachary Jones wrote:



On Jul 23, 2007, at 2:23 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:



On Jul 23, 2007, at 8:46 AM, thomas malloy wrote:



IMHO, it's not proper to substitute the word research for  
speculation, which AFAIK, is what the local vacuum dynamics is.  
I'm wondering what the other Vortexians have to say about that?



I can neither confirm nor deny...



I suppose I largely hold this same sense - though it does make me  
think of the PK/mind-machine affect documented by the PEAR lab.   
(Tests in which operator intention causes deviations in random systems)


I can't resist mentioning that we believe that there are fallen angels 
who have nothing better to do than mess with people's minds.



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