Re: [Vo]:Important new Storms paper uploaded
On Nov 9, 2007, at 6:28 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: Storms, E. and B. Scanlan. Radiation Produced By Glow Discharge In Deuterium. in 8th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen / Deuterium Loaded Metals. 2007. Sicily, Italy. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEradiationp.pdf Some speculation follows. This experiment is vaguely reminiscent of the early Kamada et al experiments, which showed a dependency on flux, i.e. current density, and which were also highly reproducible. It is unfortunate the implantation and electron beam energies Kamada used were not substantially reduced so as to see the effect of shallow implantation. It is of interest the clear but not noted involvement of oxygen in the Kamada experiments due to the fact an oxide layer exists on the surface of aluminum. Kamada gives a key electron flux as 1x10^19 electrons/(cm^2*s) for generating excess heat, which I calculate to be a bout 1.6 A/cm^2. Interestingly, he obtained similar results with H vs D for nuclear events, but excess heat only for D. His control for the nuclear events experiment was therefore electron bombardment of a non-loaded aluminum target. The control for the excess heat experiment was H loading vs D loading. The interesting thing about the Kamada experiments is the separation of the effects of loading vs electron flux. Though the energy levels differ considerably, it is difficult to not speculate that the Kamada energy levels were not critical, that the critical electron kinetic energy might be well below 1000V, and that the excess electron energy simply, by electron-electron collision, resulted in a lower energy and higher flux at depth, and would be unnecessary for a shallow depth target. This then leads to the prospect of use of high current reverse polarity (cathode momentarily becomes anode) pulses to generate excess heat in the continually and superficially loaded oxygen containing cathode. Such an approach might avoid the need for special surface deformations which change the local flux. Kamada observed metal melting in selected spots in about 10 seconds of electron flux. Use of fast high current density pulses of 10 A/cm^2 or more, an order of magnitude larger at the surface, interlaced with H/D loading at opposite polarity, might make such excess heat processes more uniform and less destructive on average. A summary of the referenced Kamada experiments follows. The 1992 (Kamada) results showed 1.3 MeV or greater 4He (about 80 percent) and 0.4 MeV or greater P (about 20 percent) tracks using Al loaded with *either* H or D. The electron beam energy used was 200 and 400 keV. H3+ or D3+ ions were implanted with an energy of 90 keV into Al films. The implantation was done at a fluence of 10^17 (H+ or D+)/cm^2 using a Cockcroft Walton type accelerator. The Al foil used would pass 200 keV electrons. It was bombarded in a HITACHI HU-500 with a beam current of 300 to 400 nA with a beam size of roughly 4x10^-5 cm^2, or (4-6)x10^16 e/ cm^2/s flux electron beam. The area the beam passedthrough was roughly 2x10^-3 cm^2. Total bombarding time was 40 m. The Al target was a 5 mm dia. disk 1 mm thick, but chemically thinned. The particle detectors were 10 mm x 15 mm x 1 mm CR-39 polymer plastic detectors supplied by Tokuyama Soda Co. Ltd. Great care was taken to avoid radon gas exposure. Detectors were set horizontally on either side of the beam 20 mm above the target and two were set vertically one above the other 20 mm to the side of the target but starting at the elevation of the target and going upward (beam source upward from target). The detectors were etched with 6N KOH at 70 deg. C for 2 h. at a rate of 2.7 um/h. Energies and species were determined by comparison of traces by optical microscope with traces of known origin. Traces on the backsides of the detectors were found to be at background level. Background was determined by runing the experiment with Al films not loaded with H or D. Four succesive repititions of the experiment at the 200 keV level were run to confirm the reproducibiliy of the experiment. There was a roughly 100 count above background in each detector, or 1340 total estimated per run for the H-H reaction. A slightly higher rate was indicated for the D-D reaction. This is a rate of 5x10-15 events per electron, or 2x10^14 electrons per event. However, the fusion events per hydrogen pair in the target is 2.8x10^-12 events/H-H pair. The events per collision based on the stimulation energy was calculated to be 10-12 to 10-26 times less than the observed events. The 1996 results (Kamada, Kinoshita, Takahashi) involved similar proceedures but bombardment was at 175 keV using a TEM which simulataneously was used for taking images of the target. Transformed (melted) regions with linear dimensions of about 100 nm were observed that indicated heat evolvement of
[VO]: ITER (the way) What if?
Blank Howdy Vorts, Notice the carefully constructed descriptive words used in the below web links to ITER What if the intended purpose of ITER differs from the announced intentions? Who could discern and what could that purpose be? Can an conclusion be drawn that LENR work is in conflict with ITER work? If in conflict, does this give reason for their opposition to LENR research? Are LENR researchers devoting time ,money and energy toward opposing ITER ? Inquiring minds wish to know. Richard ITER A proposed international experimental fusion reactor based on the tokamak concept. ITER's mission is to demonstrate the scientific and technological feasibility of fusion energy ... Ministers from the seven Parties of the international nuclear fusion project ITER (China, European Union, India, Japan, the Republic of Korea, the Russian Federation and the United States of America) came together November 21,2006 to sign the agreement to establish the international Organization that will implement the ITER fusion energy project.The study of burning plasmas has been identified as the next major step in the world fusion program. The worldwide community of fusion researchers has reached a consensus that the scientific and technological basis is sufficient to proceed to a burning plasma experiment — one in which the plasma is heated predominantly by alpha particles produced in deuterium-tritium fusion reactions. An unprecedented international collaboration of scientists and engineers has performed needed research and development and designed a burning plasma experiment called ITER, which in Latin means the way. The fusion power produced by ITER will be at least 10 times greater than the external power delivered to heat the plasma. The United States has joined the European Union, Japan, the Russian Federation, China, Korea, and India in negotiations for the establishment of the ITER Joint Implementation Agreement. ITER will be built in Cadarache, France, with operation beginning by the end of 2016. Additional information can be found at http://www.iter.org. Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: [Vo]:Important new Storms paper uploaded
Horace Heffner wrote: On Nov 9, 2007, at 6:28 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: Storms, E. and B. Scanlan. Radiation Produced By Glow Discharge In Deuterium. in 8th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen / Deuterium Loaded Metals. 2007. Sicily, Italy. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEradiationp.pdf Apparently, a variety of nuclear reactions can be initiated on or in a solid provided the right conditions, i.e. NAE, are present. The question is, what is the universal condition that is required and what is the underlying mechanism? So far, none of the proposed theories being applied to CF have answered this question. Each theory can only be applied to a small subset of conditions being shown to produce the reactions. I would hope that clever people who are trying to explain CF would stop wasting their time and start looking at all aspects of the real world. I throw out this challenge in the hope that someone will make the effort. Thanks, Horace, for describing this very interesting work. Kamada was obviously not initiating the reaction we are seeing, but the mechanism is probably the same. The question is, which of the many conditions that are being applied is actually important and is essential to making the nuclear reactions occur? Ed Some speculation follows. This experiment is vaguely reminiscent of the early Kamada et al experiments, which showed a dependency on flux, i.e. current density, and which were also highly reproducible. It is unfortunate the implantation and electron beam energies Kamada used were not substantially reduced so as to see the effect of shallow implantation. It is of interest the clear but not noted involvement of oxygen in the Kamada experiments due to the fact an oxide layer exists on the surface of aluminum. Kamada gives a key electron flux as 1x10^19 electrons/(cm^2*s) for generating excess heat, which I calculate to be a bout 1.6 A/cm^2. Interestingly, he obtained similar results with H vs D for nuclear events, but excess heat only for D. His control for the nuclear events experiment was therefore electron bombardment of a non-loaded aluminum target. The control for the excess heat experiment was H loading vs D loading. The interesting thing about the Kamada experiments is the separation of the effects of loading vs electron flux. Though the energy levels differ considerably, it is difficult to not speculate that the Kamada energy levels were not critical, that the critical electron kinetic energy might be well below 1000V, and that the excess electron energy simply, by electron-electron collision, resulted in a lower energy and higher flux at depth, and would be unnecessary for a shallow depth target. This then leads to the prospect of use of high current reverse polarity (cathode momentarily becomes anode) pulses to generate excess heat in the continually and superficially loaded oxygen containing cathode. Such an approach might avoid the need for special surface deformations which change the local flux. Kamada observed metal melting in selected spots in about 10 seconds of electron flux. Use of fast high current density pulses of 10 A/cm^2 or more, an order of magnitude larger at the surface, interlaced with H/D loading at opposite polarity, might make such excess heat processes more uniform and less destructive on average. A summary of the referenced Kamada experiments follows. The 1992 (Kamada) results showed 1.3 MeV or greater 4He (about 80 percent) and 0.4 MeV or greater P (about 20 percent) tracks using Al loaded with *either* H or D. The electron beam energy used was 200 and 400 keV. H3+ or D3+ ions were implanted with an energy of 90 keV into Al films. The implantation was done at a fluence of 10^17 (H+ or D+)/cm^2 using a Cockcroft Walton type accelerator. The Al foil used would pass 200 keV electrons. It was bombarded in a HITACHI HU-500 with a beam current of 300 to 400 nA with a beam size of roughly 4x10^-5 cm^2, or (4-6)x10^16 e/cm^2/s flux electron beam. The area the beam passedthrough was roughly 2x10^-3 cm^2. Total bombarding time was 40 m. The Al target was a 5 mm dia. disk 1 mm thick, but chemically thinned. The particle detectors were 10 mm x 15 mm x 1 mm CR-39 polymer plastic detectors supplied by Tokuyama Soda Co. Ltd. Great care was taken to avoid radon gas exposure. Detectors were set horizontally on either side of the beam 20 mm above the target and two were set vertically one above the other 20 mm to the side of the target but starting at the elevation of the target and going upward (beam source upward from target). The detectors were etched with 6N KOH at 70 deg. C for 2 h. at a rate of 2.7 um/h. Energies and species were determined by comparison of traces by optical microscope with traces of known origin. Traces on the backsides of the detectors were found to be at background level. Background was determined by runing the experiment with
[Vo]:conical motion based on walter russell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hmRBiSshus Conical spheres based on Walter Russell and found in the archives of the University of Science and Philosophy. -- ∞
Re: [Vo]:JFK and Free Energy
http://www.scene.org/~esa/norad.JPG so around 1961, the russells had managed to draw electricity by utilizing the angles of specific two conical coils with centripetal and centrifugal coils of specific widths, and to thus alter the contents of a test-tube in order to produce specific different conditions (=elements), and to also extract energy from them. decent. On 06/11/2007, Esa Ruoho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sorry to show that i really dont know when jfk was around and stuff, but does this have anything to do with walter russell, norad, and walter russell's dually sexed conical coils for extracting energy from the vacuum? roughly end of 1950s to beginning of 1960s (russell dies in 1962) On 06/11/2007, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now here's an interesting twist. In the last three minutes of this vid, Gordon Novel and Jack Sarfatti tell why they think that Kennedy was killed: David and Henry did not want free energy released on the world. Terry -- ∞ -- ∞
Re: [Vo]:Fractional quantum states
On Nov 10, 2007, at 7:21 AM, Mark Goldes wrote: Horace, NET = New Energy Times Oh! [ Slaps forehead!] Sorry! 8^) Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [VO]: ITER (the way) What if?
In reply to R.C.Macaulay's message of Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:48:34 -0600: Hi, [snip] An unprecedented international collaboration of scientists and engineers has performed needed research and development and designed a burning plasma experiment called ITER, which in Latin means the way. The fusion power produced by ITER will be at least 10 times greater than the external power delivered to heat the plasma. [snip] IOW they expect it to be a net energy producer. That means they are going to need to cool it. The only way this * isn't * going to be a commercial energy producer is if the output temperature is so low that the Carnot efficiency is less than 10%. Of course they still have all those fast neutrons to contend with. (T breeding). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
[Vo]:Maglev Wind Generators
I assume they are speaking of magnetic bearings? http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-11/05/content_7016626.htm Solly, no piccys. Terry
Re: [Vo]:Maximizing NR
On Nov 10, 2007 2:30 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep this page bookmarked (if you can't view it, you may need to join the forum) for future reference, as it may be an important link to the future of alternative energy... but to make things more dramatic, I am NOT going to divulge why this board may be important. Yet. A la the Correa patent? Terry
[Vo]:Macy story interesting but unimportant
Once again, as he did with Russ George, Steve Krivit has done a credible job delving into the background of a person related to cold fusion. This field certainly does attract strange people! However, we need all the help we can get, and I welcome the oddballs. Macy's resume may be somewhat inflated and her background may be a tad unseemly, but I do not think that matters. Two reasons: First, she can do no harm. Nothing that anyone can say or do could possibly make this field more disreputable than it already is. We are already the targets of as much derision and hate as the prostitutes Macy worked with previously; we have no reputation to defend or worry about. An enlightened person never worries about his social reputation in any case. Second, if she does a good job interviewing people and preserving data, that will be helpful and her background will be irrelevant. Or, if she does a bad job, no one will pay any attention, and her background will be ignored. I do have one reservation about Macy. Given her background working with prostitutes, she might be better qualified to interview plasma fusion researchers than our crowd. On a more serious note, Krivit mentioned a possible sexual relationship. This is uncalled for. It is even more uncalled for in the early 21st century than it was at the height of the Victorian era, for opposite reasons: back then it hurt the reputation of the person in the relationship, but nowadays it reflects badly on the person reporting the news, because most of us think this is none of our damn business. Actually, most wealthy and upper class people back in Victorian era felt the same way, and they were more discrete about these things than you might think from watching Masterpiece Theater. I used to know many people raised in the late 19th and early 20th century, and most of them struck me as more knowledgeable, sensible, broadminded and discrete about sex than modern people are. The Lewinsky scandal would have been unthinkable in earlier times, even though the presidents such as JFK and FDR had far more expansive sex lives than Clinton ever did. In those days people, especially reporters and politicians, knew how to mind their own business and keep quiet. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Maximizing NR
Terry Blanton wrote: A la the Correa patent? Dunno. Maybe a similar principle insofar as the NR part goes, but IMHO you must have a *series circuit* of many of these thing going, and tuned to the particular inductor, and not a single unit. Why? Quien sabe? You have read the Pavel Imris patent, no? Getting all of the interlocking parameters correct is as much art as science, and it requires a tinkerer with wide experience (and lots of parts) who can try dozens of different combinations and variations on the theme, per day (or per hour). And did I mention lots of patience and determination, against unwarranted criticism? Too bad for the Correas that they did not did not take the path (strategy) of encouraging a massive level of open experimentation by others, but instead remained secretive and committed to super sizing their device. They may have seen glimpses of the same effect but should have read the Imris patent and delved into limited open-sourcing. I agree that this has not been fully open sourced as Sterling Allan would have defined that term, but nevertheless, getting a wide variety of different experimenters in on the act, on four continents, is what has taken this over the top so very quickly. Perhaps there is a controlled level of open sourcing which is preferable to letting any and all nut-cases into the party... Jones
[Vo]:NET Scratches?
No it is NOT Terry's cat loose in the lab ;-) Lost in the long (but important) Galileo Project report is the issue of so-called scratch marks about 2/3 of the way down this page: http://newenergytimes.com/tgp/2007TGP/2007TGP-Report.htm Since we have some good visual and interpretive people who are often tuned into Vo - does anyone have a firm opinion about whether there is a mundane explanation for the tracks, or not? Seriously, the bulk of this data cannot be attributed to anything but nuclear reactions, can it? Jones
Re: [Vo]:NET Scratches?
On Nov 10, 2007 5:41 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No it is NOT Terry's cat loose in the lab ;-) Better hope not, he survived Schrödinger. attachment: 666Maxx.jpg
Re: [Vo]:Macy story interesting but unimportant
Jeds wrote.. First, she can do no harm. Nothing that anyone can say or do could possibly make this field more disreputable than it already is. We are already the targets of as much derision and hate as the prostitutes Macy worked with previously; we have no reputation to defend or worry about. An enlightened person never worries about his social reputation in any case. Howdy Jed, Miss Manners would disagree, Jed, after all , a girl must keep her lace straight while in public, else it could be suspected that NOT all cats are gray in the dark. I tend to agree with Jones.. it did add a little spice. What I found worthy of reporting is the comment by Frank Gordon. Richard Qoutation.. Frank Gordon ..I think the Galileo Project group addressed several of the issues that caused the initial confrontation between Fleischmann and Pons and the rest of the scientific community: repeatability, reproducibility. The Galileo Project, in one coordinated effort, has answered many of the questions that caused most of the early problems for this field. And while I'm at it, let me give credit to New Energy Institute for its leadership on this project.
Re: [VO]: ITER (the way) What if?
The fusion power produced by ITER will be at least 10 times greater than the external power delivered to heat the plasma. The fusion power produced Translation: The calculated energy of the fusion reaction inside the chamber. Does not mean power captured and carried outside of the experimental chamber. Not mentioned: How many milliseconds such a burn will be able to last. Not mentioned: The rep rate of the experiment's ability to produce this 10x effect. Not mentioned: When they expect to get the first reactor online that provides the proof of concept of a practical device. 2018? Not mentioned: When they expect to get the first reactor online that provides the first commercial production of power. An unprecedented international collaboration Translation: This part is ambiguous. It could mean the biggest scientific collaboration or it could mean the biggest boondoggle in scientific history. Who knows? s
Re: [VO]: ITER (the way) What if?
Steven Krivit wrote: An unprecedented international collaboration Translation: This part is ambiguous. It could mean the biggest scientific collaboration or it could mean the biggest boondoggle in scientific history. Who knows? Steve, are you actually suggesting that this could be a larger drain of resources and an even bigger boondoggle than the previous 40 years of Hot-Fusion-Idiocy ? That would be hard to top. How could you? Think about it, folks ... if... if in your wildest and most despicable, greed-laden nightmare, you somehow lost all moral grounding and were transformed into an oil conglomerate (OPEC co-conspirator) and were ever-diligent in conspiring to keep innovative concepts in alternative energy *out of play* in the public arena - ...then how better could you accomplish that slimy goal then to drain all the available government resources into a dead-in-the-water project like this hot fusion fiasco ... of course, scientifically rationalized by your (paid-off PhD) yes-men, and one that has zero proven chance of commercial viability, due to extremely high cost and substandard results??? Geeze give the poor ignorant taxpayer a break ... as Snuffy sez: enuf is enuf... Jones
Re: [Vo]:conical motion based on walter russell
In reply to Esa Ruoho's message of Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:11:39 +0200: Hi, [snip] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hmRBiSshus Cute, but no conservation of angular momentum. Conical spheres based on Walter Russell and found in the archives of the University of Science and Philosophy. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [VO]: ITER (the way) What if?
The way...to what? To where?
