Re: [Vo]:Dead Sea Saga
Howdy Jones, One may speculate on an account of the dead sea event recorded in Gen 19. The description of the destruction of Sodom could be interpreted as an atomic explosion.. however, the wife, while looking back, became a pillar of salt. hmmm. According to Abraham's eyewitness account from his view some distance in the hill country, a smoke cloud covered the valley.. An earlier account recorded of Abraham and Lot parting of the ways described the area east as a fertile plain. This dead sea area today is anything but a fertile plain. Below sealevel could indicate a sudden collapse indicating an immense. earthquake. For sure.. sum'tin very strange happened there. Something that left an unexplainable land change that refuses to follow the rules of geology.. much less chemistry. One may also engage in pure conjecture while reading about Solomon's lost mines. Supposedly ,they were located in Opher.. whereever that was. However, since the gold was real and enough to gold plate the temple, it sure had to come from somewhere. so why not from the dead sea.. hmmm. Transmutation???. Not so unbelievable as reports outa Ole Calif during the Sutter's mill gold rush where some suggested the gold nuggets formed from bacteria in the mountain streams since no mother lode was ever found upstream. Never to be outdone by a really good story.. now the Russians are investigating creating exotic metals using bio-nuclear transmutation theory Shades of chicken little and the sky falling.. what will they comeup with next... speaking of chickens.. anyone want to hazard a guess as to why a chicken can lay an egg ( calcium shell ),.. even IF.. their food intake has NO calcium content?? Richard Quote from: http://www.matthnelson.com/nuclear_holocaust_BC.html The traditional and literal translation of the Hebrew term Netsiv melah has been 'pillar of salt,' and tracts have been written in the Middle Ages explaining the process whereby a person could turn into crystalline salt. However, if - as we believe - the mother tongue of Abraham and Lot was Sumerian, and the event was first recorded not in a Semitic language but in Sumerian, an entirely different and more plausible understanding of the fate of Lot's wife becomes possible. In a paper presented to the American Oriental Society in 1918 and in a followup article in Beitrage zur Assyriologie, Paul Haupt had shown conclusively that because the early sources of salt in Sumer were swamps near the Persian Gulf, the Sumerian term NIMUR branched off to mean both salt and vapor. Because the Dead Sea has been called, in Hebrew, The Salt Sea, the biblical Hebrew narrator probably misinterpreted the Sumerian term and wrote 'pillar of salt' when in fact Lot's wife became a 'pillar of vapor.' Mark Jordan
Re: [Vo]:BLP Replication
Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:07 -0400: Hi, That makes a lot of sense, except for one thing. Why would BLP want a research group at a University to tell it something it already knew? IOW if the report was never intended for publication, then why commission it at all? Uh good question. You're right, that doesn't seem reasonable. Which leaves me wondering again how it came to pass that it was marked confidential and proprietary. At least in our business, we only do that with reports intended for use by just one other party, who typically has already been NDA'd. I could understand if a third party had commissioned the report, however in that case too, I would have expected a more complete report.
Re: [Vo]:Purdue University Changes Rules for Misconduct Investigations
... better stamdomg??? - I meant better standing. Jeez! dyslexia strikes again. regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:05 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Steven Krivit: Purdue University Changes Rules for Misconduct Investigations http://newenergytimes.com/blog/ Now, both the inquiry and allegation committees can make new allegations as well as charge them. All are the same: accuser, judge and jury. The new rules, which do not apply retroactively to Taleyarkhan's investigation, confirm that Purdue violated its previous rules, which were in effect during Taleyarkhan's investigation. UCLA initiates investigation into Purdue research Thanks for the update Steve, At first glance one could speculate that this would not bode well for Dr. Taleyarkhan since Purdue has now appeared to have changed the rules of engagement, giving themselves far more flexibility in determining the preferred outcome. However, NET has forced this issue to become much more public than I would speculate was its original intent. Maybe a tactic Purdue will now attempt to follow will be to simply wait it out - drag the new investigation on for years, hoping most observers on the outside will simply lose interest in the fiddlebits. Then, when nobody is watching anymore - make a final ruling as quietly and as discretely as possible. I hope Taleyarkhan will at least come out in better stamdomg, like a restoration of his original salary (plus a little compensation) and reinstatement of prior revolked responsibilities, but who really knows at this juncture. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Dead Sea Saga
The dead sea isnt an ocean, its a land locked sea, and the magnesium comes from local salt deposits. On a global level, sodium is more prevelant, but since the dead sea doesn't connect to the ocean, its not part of the averaging out mechanisms present in the oceans, so local differences matter. Nothing mysterious about it at all, just basic geology. Sorry. On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking to nature for partial answers - and to 'natural' mineral content ratios (with an eye to possible transmutation by virtual neutrons) -- when we look at a dynamic environment, like the Oceans of the world, compared to a unique but stagnant environment, like the Dead Sea ... certain anomalies in mineral-ratio show up - which are difficult to explain. Ocean water generally consists of 3-4% solids of which 97% of that is sodium chloride, and less than 1% magnesium chloride. While the Dead Sea's enormously high 30% solids content is made-up of only 8% sodium chloride vs 53% magnesium chloride. Where did the sodium go? and why is there so much magnesium comparatively? The shift is ratio is very substantial. The Dead Sea also has the highest concentration of calcium in the world, and plenty of potassium to foster the calcium, perhaps (the Kervan connection). Coincidentally some of these mineral ratio anomalies fit into a pattern - the gain of a proton. This might be the expected net result of a hydrino LENR interaction, especially if some population of solar-hydrinos arrive in the solar wind and are concentrated in stagnant environments. The short half-life of a real neutron would limit them as being an alternative explanation. BTW - the mundane explanation for part of the low sodium is that crystalline halite (which is almost all NaCl) will form preferentially from mixed content, leaving behind the other minerals; but there is FAR too little halite there to make this the only mechanism for the sodium shortfall. Of course, the answer is complicated by many factors like the surrounding drainage area -- but the relative abundance in surface rocks in most any location on earth is about the same (for each atom: Na or Mg which are ubiquitous), yet magnesium wants to oxidize and bind to oxygen and stay insoluble; and sodium prefers chlorine and solubility, so sodium should always be found in much greater abundance in liquid water -- unless there is a mechanism, in addition to halite, to remove it (or transmute it). Great mystery - like Kervan, and just as controversial -- yet all we really know is that Dead Sea salt has always been prized by early civilization for many reasons - one being that it is much more nutritious than regular sea-salt (despite, ironically, the dead connotation). It costs about 20 times more per pound than NaCl. Other curiosities: • Caesar and his successors paid soldiers in Dead Sea salt salarium argentum, or salt money in Latin. This became the English word salary One of the reasons that Rome wanted to keep such tight control over the region (which did not have much else going for it economically) 2000 years ago: and that was the salt itself, which is easy to distinguish from common sea salt- and essentially served some of the same role that paper money does today ( inflation being the amount you ate) ... gBefore Rome, this variety of salt was prized by Egypt for mummification over other kinds of salt. • At more than 1300 feet below sea level, the Dead Sea is lowest place on earth leading one to wonder: could that realtive lowness and higher evaporation rate have any special relevance to a mechanism which enriches the sea in solar-derived hydrinos (assuming they percolate down through the atmosphere)? • The Dead Sea supports no plants, seaweed, or fish but some few algae will grow. This is due to the high solids content in the water and the lack of oxygen - rather than the toxicity. • BTW - you can die trying to swim in the Dead Sea, as it is too thick for that - but you can't easily drown! • Another irony - swimmers don't need suncreen as UV is almost totally filtered out. Strange place of many ironies - and it possibly harbors even stranger natural secrets - even possibly having more oil (deep petroleum rising up due to buoyancy) than anyone thinks is possible. That could be another possible source for hydrinos. All-in-all, it seems that this region's special place in World religion may be tied and connected - at some mysterious level - to its unique physics and geology. Jones
[Vo]:BlackLight Power news
Friends and colleagues, my report about BlackLight Power, just published: http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/28/28977/1.html Best Haiko Lietz Science Reporter complexity.haikolietz.de Germany
Re: [Vo]:Purdue University Changes Rules for Misconduct Investigations
Dyslexics are teople poo! It wasn't dyslexia, your right hand wasn't home. Terry On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:08 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... better stamdomg??? - I meant better standing. Jeez! dyslexia strikes again. regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:05 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From Steven Krivit: Purdue University Changes Rules for Misconduct Investigations http://newenergytimes.com/blog/ Now, both the inquiry and allegation committees can make new allegations as well as charge them. All are the same: accuser, judge and jury. The new rules, which do not apply retroactively to Taleyarkhan's investigation, confirm that Purdue violated its previous rules, which were in effect during Taleyarkhan's investigation. UCLA initiates investigation into Purdue research Thanks for the update Steve, At first glance one could speculate that this would not bode well for Dr. Taleyarkhan since Purdue has now appeared to have changed the rules of engagement, giving themselves far more flexibility in determining the preferred outcome. However, NET has forced this issue to become much more public than I would speculate was its original intent. Maybe a tactic Purdue will now attempt to follow will be to simply wait it out - drag the new investigation on for years, hoping most observers on the outside will simply lose interest in the fiddlebits. Then, when nobody is watching anymore - make a final ruling as quietly and as discretely as possible. I hope Taleyarkhan will at least come out in better stamdomg, like a restoration of his original salary (plus a little compensation) and reinstatement of prior revolked responsibilities, but who really knows at this juncture. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:First country to go under?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1076011/Chelsea-Building- Society-latest-victim-Icelands-financial-meltdown-Brown-goes-attack.html http://tinyurl.com/4yrp48 Whitehall sources fear Iceland is now effectively a bankrupt state. It owes the world an astonishing £35billion – £116,000 for every man, woman and child. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:BLP Replication
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:02:28 -0400: Hi, answering my own question :) ...unless one of BLP's own backers decided that they wanted someone else to verify the work, so BLP got Rowan to run the tests, then were so pleased with the results that they made it public. Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:07 -0400: Hi, That makes a lot of sense, except for one thing. Why would BLP want a research group at a University to tell it something it already knew? IOW if the report was never intended for publication, then why commission it at all? Uh good question. You're right, that doesn't seem reasonable. Which leaves me wondering again how it came to pass that it was marked confidential and proprietary. At least in our business, we only do that with reports intended for use by just one other party, who typically has already been NDA'd. I could understand if a third party had commissioned the report, however in that case too, I would have expected a more complete report. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:BLP Replication
IOW if the report was never intended for publication, then why commission it at all? You are missing the obvious, guys - ... they fully intended to publish it from the start - since they were pretty sure they finally got the thing to being robust -- BUT nevertheless, they would publish only if it was indeed positive. Rowan was never free to make that decision on their own. Since BLP could not know this for sure in advance, as grad students and professors can occasionally screw up anything -- then to be cautious, BLP insisted that it was to be marked 'proprietary and confidential' and all of the other legalese; so that in the event that it had not turned out to be positive - no one would ever hear about it. This is exactly what the big Drug Companies do when they are sponsoring tests at Hospitals and Universities - consequently - you only hear about the results when they are positive from the perspective of the sponsor. That situation is more sinister, of course, since real harm can follow from silence - and it is why the that industry is under pressure to become slightly more regulated than in the past.
Re: [Vo]:First country to go under?
Howdy Horace, How did the Iceland bankers do this amazing trick? They began borrowing money from Japan for 1% and loaned it out at 6+, began to whoop it up and started buying businesses worldwide..To keep their cash account on par, they solicited savings depositors by offering them 5+% interest. As long as they could show the lenders a + statement it was a gravy train with biscuit wheels... well,.. err.. until the wheels got sorta soggy from the fond intentions. They only made one mistake.. they didn't have a Paulson or a Fed. Richard http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1076011/Chelsea-Building- Society-latest-victim-Icelands-financial-meltdown-Brown-goes-attack.html http://tinyurl.com/4yrp48 Whitehall sources fear Iceland is now effectively a bankrupt state. It owes the world an astonishing £35billion – £116,000 for every man, woman and child. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM
Re: [Vo]:Dead Sea Saga
MJ wrote: However, if - as we believe - the mother tongue of Abraham and Lot was Sumerian, and the event was first recorded not in a Semitic language but in Sumerian, an entirely different and more plausible understanding OK, at this point the discussion has wandered into *interpretations* of the events, and we are not assuming that all the words in the KJB are for-sure true exactly as written because they were dictated by an angel. Well and good; rationality has entered the discussion. However, as soon we we allow rational considerations to temper our discussion of the events in the early Old Testament, we must also admit that there was a interregnum or gap between the events and the moment when the stories were first written down which appears to have lasted some centuries. In other words, the stories were (very probably) just an oral tradition for a few centuries before they were written. Now, again assuming there was no angel dictating the stories into the ears of folks a couple centuries later in order to avoid the possibility of errors in the oral recitations, once we've come this far, we must consider the fact that oral histories are generally found to be extremely ephemeral. Events which took place much more than a century in the past tend to be almost entirely fictionalized, if not entirely forgotten, if the only means of transmission is oral traditions, unsubstantiated claims of fabulous memories among primitive peoples notwithstanding. Such is the conclusion which comes from observing a handful of cases in which a primitive society without writing had sporadic contact with an external society which kept written notes (sorry, don't have a citation handy). The society which depends on oral tradition is found to forget or mis-remember the contact events rather badly, in contrast to the society in which written records are kept. (For a bit of internal evidence, compare the first, second, and third books of Maccabees, which appear to differ primarily in how long after the fact they were formally written down -- and, note well, Maccabees dates from a period when written records were kept.) Given that, it would seem that we're forced to the conclusion that the events in the early Old Testament are very probably sufficiently inaccurately recorded that they could be reasonably described as mostly fictional, with an occasional grain of truth preserved in them. In other words, if you're going to consider possible *errors* in the text, then you need to consider the global consequences of whisper-down-the-lane effect and not just pick out one word which might have been adjusted a little. And with that conclusion one must really wonder what the point is in discussing the possible exact meaning of one particular word in one of these stories ... and that, on a mailing list devoted (more or less) to science. Like, who cares what Lot's wife is said to have turned into, since the story bopped around in the oral tradition for so long before being written down that it's quite probable that Lot wasn't named Lot, he may or may not have had a wife, his wife (if he had one) probably wasn't involved in the events to start with, and the whole thing is more likely to have come from a border dispute or other mundane event than the meltdown of an early (and secret) Iranian nuclear reactor (which seems to be where the discussion is headed). Sorry, guys, if you're not going to stick with a literal interpretation of the received text, then you're driving over a cliff in trying to interpret the minute details of a known-inaccurate history book. It just doesn't make sense to take it sort-of literally and draw far-reaching conclusions from that sort-of interpretation...
Re: [Vo]:First country to go under?
On Oct 21, 2008, at 12:57 PM, R C Macaulay wrote: Howdy Horace, How did the Iceland bankers do this amazing trick? They began borrowing money from Japan for 1% and loaned it out at 6+, began to whoop it up and started buying businesses worldwide..To keep their cash account on par, they solicited savings depositors by offering them 5+% interest. As long as they could show the lenders a + statement it was a gravy train with biscuit wheels... well,.. err.. until the wheels got sorta soggy from the fond intentions. They only made one mistake.. they didn't have a Paulson or a Fed. Richard True, but unfortunately they do have a Kremlin in their pocket. This could be a very serious development. Our relationship with the Kremlin was already showing signs of going downhill by ICCF14, when Russian physicists were denied visas. That was before the Georgia attack, and thus a bit mysterious. Perhaps we are now beginning to see the underlying reasons. Also notable is that Russia is apparently avoiding an international meeting to discuss the financial crisis: http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/600/42/371761.htm http://tinyurl.com/5rqcqd Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:BLP Replication
- Original Message - From: Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:BLP Replication Robin van Spaandonk wrote: In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:29:07 -0400: Hi, That makes a lot of sense, except for one thing. Why would BLP want a research group at a University to tell it something it already knew? IOW if the report was never intended for publication, then why commission it at all? Easy. BLP is quite busy with arrangements for a major commercialization project as announced in their earlier press release. They funded an off-site parallel test at a reputable nearby university to do a independent replication with a differetn crew. BLP simply released Rowan's report as is, no editing. Critics here at HSG have been demanding independent confirmation, and here it is. Comfirmaltions of BLP effects by other labs have been going on for years, but publication rights belong to those labs, not BLP. Jones Beene has added a point that the work would not be published if it were not positive. Several years ago, a team from Rowan which included Jansson got a grant from NIAC [NASA] to inestigage the possibility of a gas phase reactor as a deep space thruster. Despite hard work, they spent the $75,000 without get a definite result and a Phase 2 award was not made. For a more complete assessment of Jansson, see below. Anticipating cries of not independent enough, I can add some details about Prof. Peter Jansson. He has a website with details about his career and education. Go look at it. Rowan University was formerly Glassboro State Teacher's College until Rowan donated $100 million for an egineering school and naming rights, creating Rowan University. Rowan got his fortune from Inductotherm, a NJ builder of industrial induction heating systems. Jasson was the first graduate student of the enegineering college. For his Master's thesis, he performed a BLP experiment with a Seeback calorimeter lent by BLP. Rowan is about 45 minutes from my house, and I took the trouble to visit the Rowan library and read his thesis, which was well done. I have also conversed with Jansson in his office. Before his graduate work at Rowan, Jansson worked for Atlantic City Electric to evaulate advanced energy devices for possible investment. He recommended BLP and an investment was made. As a courtesy, Jansson was allowed to buy a small stock holding in BLP, whereas normally only wealthy qualified investors were allowed under SEC rules for such a high risk venture. Pictures and diagrams of the calorimeter are on the BLP website. BLP furnishing the raw materials assured replication and avoided blunders such as others have made in attempts to replicate BLP results. The Rowan work satisifies all reasonable requiirments for an independent validation of the BLP process. It produces a burst of energy. Implementing that as a continuous power output for a utility boiler is another problem whose solution BLP is not presently disclosing. Mike Carrell
[Vo]:Russian Visas ICCF14
True, but unfortunately they do have a Kremlin in their pocket. This could be a very serious development. Our relationship with the Kremlin was already showing signs of going downhill by ICCF14, when Russian physicists were denied visas. That was before the Georgia attack, and thus a bit mysterious. Perhaps we are now beginning to see the underlying reasons. That's neither the facts nor the interpretation I have. I received a response today from the Moscow consulate. Sorry, but you'll have to wait until NET #31. Steve
