Re: [Vo]:All traces of Robert Duncan's cold fusion lecture removed removed from U. Missouri web page
So, one might be drawn to conclude that he is taking a bit of flak from his peers? Terry On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > >> >> > If this is suppression it is inept. >> >> Shall I add it [Duncan's lecture video] to google video? It always takes >> a while to comply with copyright laws even if someone complains. > > I think we should wait a few days before doing that, in case this is some > sort of honest confusion, or in case Duncan persuades them to put it back. I > have no idea what is going on. I have not heard from him directly. I asked > him if he would like to upload it. No response. > > If someone does complain, I would be very interested in seeing who that is. > Supposedly, according to the U. M. site, only Duncan has the copyright, so > only he could complain. > > - Jed > >
Re: [Vo]:All traces of Robert Duncan's cold fusion lecture removed removed from U. Missouri web page
Terry Blanton wrote: So, one might be drawn to conclude that he is taking a bit of flak > from his peers? I might conclude that today or tomorrow, if the site is not fixed. But he said that he has the support of the university, so I don't know what to think. Also, they did not erase everything. A description of his lecture is still available in another part of the conference announcement pages. There is no point to speculating but I get a sense that this is confusion or some kind of mix-up rather than suppression. However, if it is not restored soon, I guess it will be de facto suppression. I wrote a message to the people in charge of the web page, in the contact box at the bottom of the page. I asked them why this info was delete. They did not respond. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:All traces of Robert Duncan's cold fusion lecture removed removed from U. Missouri web page
>From Jed: > Terry Blanton wrote: > >> So, one might be drawn to conclude that he is taking a bit of flak >> from his peers? > > I might conclude that today or tomorrow, if the site is not fixed. But he > said that he has the support of the university, so I don't know what to > think. > > Also, they did not erase everything. A description of his lecture is still > available in another part of the conference announcement pages. > > There is no point to speculating but I get a sense that this is confusion or > some kind of mix-up rather than suppression. However, if it is not restored > soon, I guess it will be de facto suppression. > > I wrote a message to the people in charge of the web page, in the contact > box at the bottom of the page. I asked them why this info was delete. They > did not respond. The lack of a response suggests a rather mundane explanation to me: Perhaps it's just a simple case that nobody is minding the store anymore. Recent economic events resulting in austerity measures can cause a lot of confusion over the reassignment of responsibilities - whose job it now is to sweep the floors. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:All traces of Robert Duncan's cold fusion lecture removed removed from U. Missouri web page
OrionWorks wrote: > I wrote a message to the people in charge of the web page, in the contact > box at the bottom of the page. I asked them why this info was delete. They > did not respond. The lack of a response suggests a rather mundane explanation to me: Perhaps it's just a simple case that nobody is minding the store anymore. Well, someone went to the trouble to change the page and leave a message saying "Dr. Duncan's speech and presentation slides are not available." My guess is that whoever it is does not want to communicate with me. It hasn't been fixed as of 5/12/2009 15:25. - Jed
[Vo]:WSJ blog: calling all cold fusion inventors
See: http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2009/05/12/secretary-chu-calling-all-cold-fusion-inventorsand-other-revolutionaries/ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog: calling all cold fusion inventors
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Jed Rothwell mounted the barricade and roared out: > See: > > http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2009/05/12/secretary-chu-calling-all-cold-fusion-inventorsand-other-revolutionaries/ > > - Jed See: It's pays to be a revolutionary. ;> - --grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoJ4ZcACgkQXo3EtEYbt3GcfQCg2zt+Y028zjHR+VffvsgFi8Mn p94AoItPQFWbYkGS7o+v29AS7gPWl05n =Y6gU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Vo]:Duncan "Cold Fusion" Video Removed
Vorts, I've done a cursory investigation of the disappearance of the Duncan video from the U Missouri Web site. I'm not going to get into details here and now. My initial conclusion is that someone -but not Duncan - made a decision to suppress/censor the video and slide presentation. Thanks to the first amendment, Fair Use, and some quick helpers who grabbed the content before it disappeared, New Energy Times will have the content back on the net momentarily. I must say - this is the third instance in as many months related to "cold fusion" or LENR videos that have been subjected to "influence." The first was the forced removal of the Dash video by a popular "cold fusion" theorist who owned the raw footage. The second was the APS matter with the "60" Minutes" piece. Strange days. Steve
Re: [Vo]:Duncan "Cold Fusion" Video Removed
Steven Krivit wrote: Thanks to the first amendment, Fair Use, and some quick helpers who grabbed the content before it disappeared, New Energy Times will have the content back on the net momentarily. Great! Thanks. As soon as you let us know I will put a link to it. I think I will upload the PowerPoint slides. You should have a copy, and you can upload 'em too. I think we have waited long enough. Strange days. Normal for cold fusion. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog: calling all cold fusion inventors
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, grok wrote: > See: It's pays to be a revolutionary. Damn it feels good to be a gangsta Feedin' the poor and hepin out wit they bills Although I was born in Jamaica Now I'm in the US makin' deals Damn it feels good to be a gangsta
Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog: calling all cold fusion inventors
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Terry Blanton mounted the barricade and roared out: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, grok wrote: > > > See: It's pays to be a revolutionary. > > > Damn it feels good to be a gangsta > Feedin' the poor and hepin out wit they bills > Although I was born in Jamaica > Now I'm in the US makin' deals > Damn it feels good to be a gangsta Actually, while low-level hoodlums may be confused about their rôle in society (much like many of the people on this eList, actually), the truth of the matter is that gangsters are in fact the biggest supporters of the capitalist order. And the capitalists and their police functionaries are absolutely well aware of that, as well -- allowing these thugs to do "services" for them, for future considerations... as anyone who follows political history -- or daily life -- should know. And take that as being from someone with personal experience -- and theoretical knowledge -- on the matter. - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoJ9S8ACgkQXo3EtEYbt3HWKgCfeNRl2IyfozA793K841I6BPPf LJEAn0SQkiQRQEOhPMg3UKlfQ7xhnRdX =/jnH -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[Vo]:Duncan lecture on YouTube
The lecture has been uploaded in 3 segments: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgRiTphJRkg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLhqYFyrtWQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBVcA6G35QY I hope someone can make it one segment instead. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog: calling all cold fusion inventors
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM, grok wrote: > Actually, while low-level hoodlums may be confused about their rôle in > society (much like many of the people on this eList, actually), the truth > of the matter is that gangsters are in fact the biggest supporters of the > capitalist order. I know that. Compare and contrast. :-) Terry
RE: [Vo]:Hey Kyle: power generating shocks
--- Jeff Fink wrote:
> Kyle,
>
> Pardon my ignorant, irrational excursion into green
> shock technology. What
> you are saying here makes perfect practical sense,
> even though the PS
> article played it up so nicely.
> I am a retired designer of large scale power
> generating systems. No one
> should have any regard for what I say on that
> subject either.
Honestly, I was not trying to sound like a jerk; if I
did, I'm sorry. It wasn't what I intended. I just
don't see the need for all these efficiency additions,
when there are much simpler, cheaper, solutions. But
they would benefit the people, not the auto maker, or
the government, or {xyz}.
I don't want a car with a refrigerator in it. I want
to walk to get a coke. I like the sunlight. I like the
breeze. I might see something interesting on my way
there that makes me think.
It's hard to explain.
--Kyle
P.S., Re: My Mylow motor. No, it don't work. Still
trying, of course, but primarily because my wife
thinks it is fun.
Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
--- Harry Veeder wrote: > Kyle, > > I have a construction suggestion. If you haven't > already thought of > this, try using double sided tape to position the > rotor magnets instead > of glue. Have to remember that for future. On Saturday, I spent a while hot gluing them down to the aluminum disk. The hot glue didn't like to stick unless pressed JUST right and fast enough. The magnets didn't like standing in line, so to speak, either. 2-sided tape might have saved a few swear words. :) --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:WSJ blog: calling all cold fusion inventors
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Terry Blanton mounted the barricade and roared out: > On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:16 PM, grok wrote: > > > Actually, while low-level hoodlums may be confused about their rôle in > > society (much like many of the people on this eList, actually), the truth > > of the matter is that gangsters are in fact the biggest supporters of the > > capitalist order. > > I know that. > > Compare and contrast. :-) > > Terry Whatever do you mean (rolls eyes. Thinx of Hitler). - -- grok. - -- Build the North America-wide General Strike. TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. ALL power to the councils and communes. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkoKE7kACgkQXo3EtEYbt3F9XQCfaOW7gA8UDuuXz2yLqDTfWXYL CxgAoPDKmzFwLIyrFYTP3dMbQVTRDaL6 =NnLm -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Vo]:Duncan "Cold Fusion" Video Removed
>From Steven Krivit: > Vorts, > > I've done a cursory investigation of the disappearance of the Duncan video > from the U Missouri Web site. I'm not going to get into details here and > now. My initial conclusion is that someone -but not Duncan - made a decision > to suppress/censor the video and slide presentation. > > Thanks to the first amendment, Fair Use, and some quick helpers who grabbed > the content before it disappeared, New Energy Times will have the content > back on the net momentarily. > > I must say - this is the third instance in as many months related to "cold > fusion" or LENR videos that have been subjected to "influence." > > The first was the forced removal of the Dash video by a popular "cold > fusion" theorist who owned the raw footage. > The second was the APS matter with the "60" Minutes" piece. > > Strange days. I look forward to a more detailed analysis of the Duncan video incident in a future installment of NET, even if it turns out to be nothing more than an incidental footnote. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Duncan lecture on YouTube
I put it up as a single file but it is 14 minutes longer than their max allowable. They may take it down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nNRB0K_dw0 In addition to GSutton, I put them up in three pieces too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tczj-0ECahg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPiylvrr-t8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_I4NUEkSI YouTube is undergoing maintanence right now S
[Vo]:Duncan Cold Fusion Video Mystery
Duncan "Cold Fusion" Video Mystery http://newenergytimes.com/v2/blog/ The part that I didn't write is that: 1) Duncan also expressed some concern to me about the fact that I had written something critical about Caltech in a previous article and 2 Duncan told me he was an adjunct faculty member at Caltech. I don't know exactly what it means relative to the video...or lack thereof... Steve
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Duncan “Cold Fusion” Video Mystery
Good summary. This is very minor issue, but it says: By today, a notice had been posted on the site, “Dr. Duncan’s speech and presentation slides are not available,” that left no doubt that the removal was deliberate. My notes show that the statement "Dr. Duncan’s speech and presentation slides are not available" was there on May 10. That was when I first became aware of this. I took note of this because, as Steve says, it is proof that the removal was deliberate. On May 10 someone suggested me that maybe the files were accidentally deleted. That's plausible. I have accidentally deleted things at LENR-CANR.org, or left links that do not work. That can happen on any web page. The point is, however, when a file or text is deleted accidentally, you do not find a note saying: "this material is not available." Whatever is happening, it is unpleasant and it gives the field a bad name. People are going to think that Duncan retracted. I hope he does not mind seeing his slides uploaded, and his video on YouTube. If he does mind for some reason, I wish he would tell us. As for the person who deleted the text and files, I don't give a fig if that person is upset that we are uploading this stuff! This is the Internet era. Did they really think they could hide this material, or make it unavailable by erasing it from one site? As I said, if this is suppression it is inept. I must say, it does seem more like suppression with each passing day. This is just a guess, but my hunch is that the professor who phoned Duncan and called him a "charlatan" has put pressure on the university to delete the files. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Duncan lecture on YouTube
Try Google video -- they allow 13 minutes ( last time I did it )( They own Yahoo as I recall ) . Hoyt Stearns Scottsdale, Arizona US http://HoytStearns.com -Original Message- From: Steven Krivit [mailto:stev...@newenergytimes.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 7:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Duncan lecture on YouTube I put it up as a single file but it is 14 minutes longer than their max allowable. They may take it down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nNRB0K_dw0 In addition to GSutton, I put them up in three pieces too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tczj-0ECahg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPiylvrr-t8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un_I4NUEkSI YouTube is undergoing maintanence right now S
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Duncan Cold Fusion Video Mystery
Jed, The one thing I know about Duncan, from multiple instances including my communications with him today is that he is a diplomat. Look at the video and see how gracefully he said that 60 Minutes and McKubre did a disservice by talking about cold fusion powered laptops and cars. In an e-mail I received from him today, he was also very defensive about Caltech. My hunch is that: 1) You are right; the UM felt threatened. 2) Someone at UM (not Duncan) issued an order to pull the material 2) Duncan will never admit to me or you that there was coercion or suppression. Sure there are lots of things to debate and argue about in the LENR field, but trying to stuff Pandora back into her box is a bit pathetic. The recent behavior of people in the physics establishment is very peculiar, and methinks they doth protest too much. Pull up a seat folks, this is gonna get interesting. Steve At 05:56 PM 5/12/2009, you wrote: Good summary. This is very minor issue, but it says: By today, a notice had been posted on the site, "Dr. Duncan's speech and presentation slides are not available," that left no doubt that the removal was deliberate. My notes show that the statement "Dr. Duncan's speech and presentation slides are not available" was there on May 10. That was when I first became aware of this. I took note of this because, as Steve says, it is proof that the removal was deliberate. On May 10 someone suggested me that maybe the files were accidentally deleted. That's plausible. I have accidentally deleted things at LENR-CANR.org, or left links that do not work. That can happen on any web page. The point is, however, when a file or text is deleted accidentally, you do not find a note saying: "this material is not available." Whatever is happening, it is unpleasant and it gives the field a bad name. People are going to think that Duncan retracted. I hope he does not mind seeing his slides uploaded, and his video on YouTube. If he does mind for some reason, I wish he would tell us. As for the person who deleted the text and files, I don't give a fig if that person is upset that we are uploading this stuff! This is the Internet era. Did they really think they could hide this material, or make it unavailable by erasing it from one site? As I said, if this is suppression it is inept. I must say, it does seem more like suppression with each passing day. This is just a guess, but my hunch is that the professor who phoned Duncan and called him a "charlatan" has put pressure on the university to delete the files. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Duncan "Cold Fusion" Video Removed
I look forward to a more detailed analysis of the Duncan video incident in a future installment of NET, even if it turns out to be nothing more than an incidental footnote. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks Not sure I'll get to that myself. If someone else wants to, I'll consider it for pub. I'm working on production of the next ACS book, several encyclopedia articles, dealing with a federal Inspector General issue with regard to a science fraud/cover up matter and preparing the next issue of NETso I have my hands full. Steve
