Re: [Vo]:The ZPED theory of quasi-nuclear gain (long post)

[mixent]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:36:15 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>This creates a local energy
>deficit - in which an unstable nucleus, like Te-125 or Zr-96 become far more
>susceptible to decay, and can effectively 'regauge' the depleted local
>field, while leaving some (but comparatively little) remnant radioactivity. 

If the energy from the ZPE is being replenished by Te125m, decaying to Te125
(stable), then you need some Te125m to start off with. However this isotope has
a half life of only 57 days, so there isn't any in nature.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:The ZPED theory of quasi-nuclear gain (long post)

[mixent]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:36:15 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
>Those who
>favor a nuclear-only pathway might look to the P-e-P reaction as the
>aftermath. Some deuterium is expected in the ash.

Just a side note here - I think the P-e-P reaction energy is all carried away by
the neutrino (no free particles as in positron decay).

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:CERN Researchers and Focardi Rossi Cold Fusion Cell

[Terry Blanton]

Rossi does claim that he has an ECat(s?) heating a building for a
year.  You don't heat a very large building with 12 electric space
heaters.  If his claim is true, it must already be a working ECat
array.  If he has overcome array control for, say, a 100 kW unit, a
further 10x expansion is not as great a challenge.

T

Re: [Vo]:CERN Researchers and Focardi Rossi Cold Fusion Cell

[Jed Rothwell]

I have been leery of the 1 MW project ever since I heard about it a year
ago. I still think it is not a good business strategy. I think it would make
more sense to demonstrate small machines at places such as National
Laboratories. I worry that the machine may not be safe. (Scott Chubb's
comments about safety may reflect my views.) As I pointed out here, in some
ways it would be easier to fake a 1 MW demonstration more easily than a 10
kW demonstration. Not that I think Rossi would actually fake it, but I
expect the skeptics will say he did.

Having said all of that . . . I fully recognize the value of such a
large-scale demonstration. Even more than that, I recognize the value of *200
million euros invested in factory to produce commercial cold fusion heaters
this year*. That is an astounding development! A few months ago I would have
dismissed it as out of the question. If Rossi pulls it off, however
unconventional his business strategy may be, and however unreliable his
statements sometimes are, I think we will have to acknowledge that he is a
genius nonpareil in both inventing and in business.

Perhaps Rossi is contractually obligated to make the 1 MW unit in order to
seal the deal in Greece. In that case, I agree completely that he should
proceed full speed ahead with that project, rather than doing something like
what I suggest, demonstrating smaller machines at National Laboratories.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:CERN Researchers and Focardi Rossi Cold Fusion Cell

[Jed Rothwell]

I meant I though he would NEVER accomplish what he claimed.

He is late, by the way. He was saying all last year that a 1 MW reactor
would be ready Real Soon Now. ("Real Soon Now" is how programmers used to
describe projects they think will never be finished.)

I guess that means he has been working on it for some time. Perhaps October
is not out of the question, in that case. It isn't as if he just started.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:CERN Researchers and Focardi Rossi Cold Fusion Cell

[Jed Rothwell]

SHIRAKAWA Akira  wrote:


On 2011-03-19 20:04, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>  Rossi tells  IE, “We are making a thorough series of tests with the
>> University of Bologna, which will be 12 months long with a reactor in
>> operation 24 hours per day. During this year we will make a long theory
>> of measurements and tests, also in collaboration with CERN researchers.
>> A report will be made at the end of the 12 months of measurements.”
>>
>
>

> To be fair, that is what Rossi says.
>
> Rossi says many things. He's very talkative (excluding technical details),
> however what he says does not always turn out to be 100% accurate.


Yup! That's why I copied the paragraph; to show that it is Rossi who said
it.



> Some time back Rossi also said, as far as I remember, that agreements were
> made with the Bologna University to test his reactor and perform related
> research. However at at that time only proposals were made, according to a
> reader of Passerini's "22Passi" blog who contacted them directly.
>

I think that arrangement has now been made, and the research project is
underway. So, even though Rossi does tend to jump the gun and say all kinds
of things, much of what he said in the past eventually came true. Or I guess
I should say it panned out.

I listened to him for a year thinking he was a blowhard who would accomplish
what he claimed. Then in January, boom! -- out of nowhere, he did those
spectacular demonstrations. I have learned not to underestimate him.



> I would really prefer to read directly from the interested parties about
> their involvement, and not only from A.Rossi.
>

So would I. I would prefer that even if Rossi had no history of making,
shall we say, inconsistent comments. It is always better to have third party
confirmation. Fortunately, I have heard that the reports in the Greek press
are coming from people in Greece. One of the reporters told me that. Some of
the reports from Greece are spectacular. In a way they are as amazing as the
18-hour demonstration.

The Greek "Investor's World" newspaper says they have 200 million euros
lined up for the factory in Greece. See:

http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/6874-xynidis-ependysi-hyperion-xanthi-ydrogono-nikelio-paragogi-energeias-ergostasio-xanthi.html

That's a lot of money! That is probably more than the entire amount invested
in cold fusion since 1989. I do not think that information came from Rossi,
or from Rossi alone. I think the Greek reporters spoke with people at
Defkalion Green Energy.

I think 200 million euros is as amazing as 1000 MJ of heat because, as I
said before, Rossi's experiment has plenty of precedent. It did not come out
of nowhere.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:CERN Researchers and Focardi Rossi Cold Fusion Cell

[SHIRAKAWA Akira]

On 2011-03-19 20:04, Jed Rothwell wrote:


Rossi tells  IE, “We are making a thorough series of tests with the
University of Bologna, which will be 12 months long with a reactor in
operation 24 hours per day. During this year we will make a long theory
of measurements and tests, also in collaboration with CERN researchers.
A report will be made at the end of the 12 months of measurements.”


To be fair, that is what Rossi says.

Rossi says many things. He's very talkative (excluding technical 
details), however what he says does not always turn out to be 100% 
accurate. CERN might only be indirectly or very loosely involved with 
this matter, if even at all, if the quoted text above is to be taken 
very literally (for example, former CERN researchers, or researchers who 
happen to work or having recently worked at CERN, but that won't 
participate in E-Cat tests/research on behalf of CERN).


Some time back Rossi also said, as far as I remember, that agreements 
were made with the Bologna University to test his reactor and perform 
related research. However at at that time only proposals were made, 
according to a reader of Passerini's "22Passi" blog who contacted them 
directly.


I would really prefer to read directly from the interested parties about 
their involvement, and not only from A.Rossi.


Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Happy Pi Day!

[Shek Singhal]

Joe - the derivation of Phi in terms of a circle is shown further here. It
is a geometric Proof based upon being able to find Phi in circles lined
side-by-side.
http://vortexspace.org/display/~integral54/Geometric+Derivation+of+Phi+from+Circle

This shows that Phi is related to a circle's curvature constant.

This shows the most elegant equation, which I believe will eventually
explain the inverse-square law in unification with the curvature of
space-time. This is in relation to the area of a square and the area of the
circle circumscribed within it.
SquareArea/CircleArea = sqrt(Phi)

I know that there are recommendations to think that Tau is the most natural
curvature constant to use - but I would actually recommend sqrt(Phi) as the
most natural one since it is the one showing the relationship between a
square and circle.


On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Dr Joe Karthauser  wrote:

> Where is the derivation of phi in terms of a circle published? There are no
> references or names in that article.
>
> Thanks
> Joe
>
> --
> Dr Joe Karthauser
>
>

Re: [Vo]:CERN Researchers and Focardi Rossi Cold Fusion Cell

[Jed Rothwell]

Ron Kita wrote:


> I am not sure if this has been posted before, but it appears that
> CERN researchers will be involved:
>
> http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/IE96Rossi.pdf
>
> See the very end of website.
>


You mean the last paragraph of the article, QUOTE:

Rossi tells  IE, “We are making a thorough series of tests with the
University of Bologna, which will be 12 months long with a reactor in
operation 24 hours per day. During this year we will make a long theory of
measurements and tests, also in collaboration with CERN researchers. A
report will be made at the end of the 12 months of measurements.”

- Jed

[Vo]:CERN Researchers and Focardi Rossi Cold Fusion Cell

[Ron Kita]

Greetings Vortex-L

I am not sure if this has been posted before, but it appears that
CERN researchers will be involved:

http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/IE96Rossi.pdf

See the very end of website.

Ron Kita , Chiralex

[Vo]:The ZPED theory of quasi-nuclear gain (long post)

[Jones Beene]

This concept has "a new kind of chain reaction" at the heart of a
complicated theory known as ZPED - zero point enhanced decay. Several
related old posts have been revised and included here for convenience.

Many observers have become increasingly open to the suggestion that what
Andrea Rossi has discovered, serendipitously and possibly unknown to
himself, can be characterized as a critical mass. "of something" operating
for large non-chemical gain, with mild radioactivity. Obviously, the
'something' is not directly related to nuclear fission, since neutrons are
absent. 

The most puzzling detail is the lack of sufficient radioactivity to account
for the excess heat. However, energy from nuclear decay or isomeric
transition (IT) can be involved at a secondary level, if most of it can be
coupled to an exchange mechanism with the zero point field. This overall
modality is related to a physical mass of reactants, but it could easily be
leaning towards having additional intangible considerations - which casts
everything into a different light. 

Rather than change the well-known phrase 'critical mass' to the more
precise: 'critical accumulation' (in order to accommodate intangible
considerations) it seems prudent merely to acknowledge that this process is
not directly connected to standard uranium fission, except metaphorically;
but it does demand threshold levels of at least one variable and possibly
several.

The important behavior of the underlying system becomes "emergent" - in the
way Ball describes in Critical Mass - How one thing leads to another, which
is online at Google Books. This does not delve deeply enough into quantum
mechanics to be helpful in the precise pursuit (explaining Andrea Rossi's
E-Cat discovery). However, the insight on emergent systems is helpful for
those who do not appreciate how a large jump in gain can arrive in such a
surprising way. The irony here is that QM and critical mass are antithetical
on one level of understanding - the small juxtaposed to the large.

One intangible consideration in the operation of any quantum mechanical
process is that 'probability' itself, in the sense of 'correlation fields,'
is responsive to accumulation - and/or to 'trigger' levels (leading to
emergent behavior) in systems which depend on a flux of
neutrons-substitutes, which will be called a "vector". A moderately high
stable temperature is one such trigger or vector, which operates to maximize
stress within nanocavities.

'Probability' is also found at the underlying level of 'critical mass' via
neutron interaction (fission chain reaction), but in this new form it is
related to the zero point field in two steps. There is a secondary,
accelerated nuclear decay (an isomeric conversion or a weak force reaction)
which can seem at first to be primary, without looking at all the clues. 

This process is mediated by a dense form of hydrogen known as 'pycno'. This
hypothesis is the merger of QM, cavity QED, and Casimir mechanics with
mainstream nuclear reactions, and it will lead to a theory called ZPED, or
zero point enhanced decay. The ultimate energy source is the atomic nucleus.
Let's make that clear, even though the way it arrives is not straightforward
and involves quantum mechanics, time shifting, and two distinct stages. Here
are specific details:

There is an unusual subset of heavy elements - four elements in the periodic
table which are heavier (in a.m.u.) than the next element above them in the
table. For instance, element 92 is heavier than element 93. There appears to
be only four such elements in this category.

As you might imagine (even not knowing the identity of the four) this
characteristic could be strongly indicative of nuclear instability. The
first three are quite well-known as the elements involved in nuclear
fission: thorium, uranium and plutonium. 

The 'nuclear fission' common denominator of these elements is a "too-heavy"
atomic mass, comparatively, and this property might indicate that the fourth
element in this grouping is heavy enough to have its decay rate altered.
However, this lesser known element is not known to undergo fission via
neutron capture, as are the three above - and it does not participate in a
chain reaction. At least not a chain reaction which is vectored by neutrons.
It is also the lightest of the four. It is also a singularity in having the
highest spread of atomic weight between its lowest and highest stable
isotope of any element. 

Does that make it special in any way for a new kind of nuclear reaction, not
involving neutrons as the active modality, but possibly involving another
vector such as "pycno", f/H or IRH (inverted Rydberg hydrogen) or other
names which were once more closely identified with the Mills' hydrino?

This fourth element is tellurium - element 52. It is best known in the
compound bismuth-telluride, used in thermoelectrics, or cadmium telluride in
photovoltaics. It is photoactive and tends to form into 2D layers in a way
that seem

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC: Legal Challenges through Wisconsin's courts begin

[OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson]

If recent Wisconsin politics is not your cup-of-tea,  (or tea party), please
disregard the following off-topic public service announcement: As they say:
"Move along. nothing to see here"

 

 



 

A recent right-wing conservative republican lead "Shock and Awe" agenda
aimed at trying to destroy public unions democratic right to bargain
collectively has pretty much been completed at this point. I suspect
conservative groups feel they have won the battle, that they have
successfully destroyed collective bargaining. I suspect they are also hoping
everyone will now just settle back and accept the new status quo with no
more questions asked. 

 

However, there is a wrinkle to the plan. The "Budget Repair Bill", which now
includes the highly contentious removal of collective bargaining is supposed
to be officially implemented no later than March 25, with the official
publication of the measure. After the measure had been voted on and passed
Governor Walker quickly signed it. He then requested that the measure he had
just signed be published as soon as possible - meaning immediately. That
would cause the measure to take effect immediately - today. Curiously, that
hasn't happened. The last official date when the measure must be published
is still being scrupulously observed, that being March 25. In the meantime,
an insurgency of legal maneuvers has now begun to surface, such as:

 

Thursday, March 17, "DA files open meetings complaint over budget session"

 

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_19b9492e-50
0b-11e0-911b-001cc4c03286.html

 

http://tinyurl.com/62a7mxt

 

Friday, March 18, a judge ruled:

 

"Judge blocks contentious Wisconsin union law"

 

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-03-18-wisconsin-union_N.htm

 

http://tinyurl.com/5roh82p

 

 

These articles do a pretty good job of describing the technical problems
pertaining to the republican's parliamentary maneuver as perceived in the
eyes of many. Republicans relied a debatable parliamentary maneuver to split
out the not-agreed-to non-fiscal collective bargaining portions from
Walker's "Budget Repair Bill". (Weeks ago public unions had already agreed
to all the fiscal concessions demanded from the governor.) Nevertheless,
relying on this obscure parliamentary maneuver, the republicans then
convened a hastily arranged meeting with little notice in order to
specifically vote out collective bargaining. Such an "emergency" meeting, it
was alleged, didn't require the presence of the 14 AWOL democratic senators
in order to constitute a legally binding vote. Legally, if such a meeting is
declared an "emergency" it can be convened which just two hours notice - IF
it's an emergency. WHO determines if the meeting was an emergency? It's
debatable. Regardless of whether the meeting was an emergency or not, that
observance was not technically followed. The "emergency" meeting was
convened in just one hour, forty minutes notice. Typically a meeting of this
sort necessitates a full 24 hours notice. In other words, emergency or not
the letter of the law was flagrantly disregarded. In less than two hours
notice the right to bargain collectively was "voted" out of existence along
with all of the fiscal concessions for which the unions had already agreed
to. 

 

Within hours after this hastily arranged parliamentary maneuver had been
completed I witnessed one of the most hastily assembled counter protest
demonstrations that I can think of, as twitter and Facebook accounts spread
the news across Wisconsin like wildfire. Twitter and Facebook were largely
responsible for alerting many who were deeply concerned about what had been
going down in their state over the past month. Those who were alerted
responded by rushing as fast as they could to the capital in order to
express their outrage. I saw people literally running up State Street to get
to the capita. The following You Tube video I shot on the evening of March 9
documents some of those masses as they quickly assembled around the capital
building. Eventually thousands were allowed to enter the capital. This was
one of the most dramatic moments of active democracy I've ever experienced
in my life. I was fortunate to have been in the right place and right time
to document portions of the spontaneous event as it developed. See:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJBbdVJ9G0U

 

 

The DA filing followed by the Judge's temporary ruling might actually have a
chance of stopping efforts to remove collective bargaining from being
implemented - at least for a while longer. The ultimate aim is to get some
kind of democratic debate started pertaining to the wisdom of removing
collective bargaining. The point being: removing collective bargaining does
nothing to help solve Wisconsin's financial crisis. IMO, it has far more to
do with Wisconsin's gubernatorial branch consolidating an overreach of its
power base. As the old saying goes: absolute power corrupts absolutely.