Re: [Vo]:Does anyone keep a list of cold fusion patents?

[Alain Sepeda]

I know that list of patents (and companies beside)
http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/fusion-base/fusion-patents/

You can follow Rob Woudenberg on linked-in too...


2012/10/2 Jed Rothwell 

> Frank Gordon and David French are thinking of compiling a list of cold
> fusion related patents. Does anyone have such a list already?
>
> I have some listed in my EndNote database, but I have not made any effort
> to keep up with them. I add them to the database when someone sends me a
> patent.
>
> - Jed
>
>

[Vo]: Experimental Results with Nickel and Sodium Carbonate

[David Roberson]

I have continued to experiment and have some interesting measurements to 
report.  For my latest experiment I have returned to using 2 nickels as 
electrodes with an electrolyte of sodium carbonate which is Arm & Hammer 
Washing Soda.  I prefer this electrolyte to the borax since it does not tend to 
leave extreme green deposits on my positive supply connected nickel.  I decided 
to try this particular one when I read that it is used to restore rusted items. 
 It has excellent conductivity and allows me to calculate an effective 
resistance of approximately 6 ohms between my supply terminals.  As an example, 
I typically am measuring around 11 volts at my supply terminals when 1.97 amps 
of current is flowing through the test circuit.


My constant current supply is set to deliver 1.97 amps and it does an excellent 
job of keeping the set current constant over a large voltage range as needed.  
I have run at this level of current for several hours now and add extra sodium 
carbonate or water as needed to keep the resistance low.  This seems to be an 
easy task and I am measuring reasonable and repeatable performance.


I calibrated my measurement system by taking two "new" nickels and stepping the 
current through them.  I chose this as my control since it is highly unlikely 
that a fresh nickel would generate LENR activity within a few hours of loading 
with hydrogen.  For technique I allowed each current value to continue for an 
hour before I measured the supply voltage and the temperature of my electrolyte 
bath at a well defined physical location.  I also checked to verify that the 
current was constant and discovered that it only varied by .01 amp in one of 
several independent measurements.  The ambient temperature was also measured so 
that I could determine the rise due to heating.


I performed this calibration at the following currents: 1.00, 1.24, 1.52, 1.75, 
2.01, and 2.5 amps.  The power ranged from 8.24 to 33.325 watts as calculated 
by taking the measured supply voltage and multiplying it by the step current at 
that value.  A plot of power versus temperature delta was generated and it made 
a decent curve fit.  The R^2 value for the second order curve fit was .9948.  I 
can supply the actual data if anyone is particularly interested.


My test system is open to the air and heat is escaping by many different paths, 
but it appears to follow a reasonable curve fit that allows me to calculate the 
power being dissipated as a function of the bath temperature.  My worse fit for 
both calibration as well as test runs is only off by 1.1 C degrees while most 
points are much closer.  You might say I was pleasantly surprised.  My meter 
reads to single digit degree C values except in the case where it is clearly 
jumping between two numbers and then I estimate in between.


After I completed the control-calibration run I replaced the inactive nickel 
connected to the negative supply terminal with one that I have been loading 
with hydrogen for greater than 30 hours.  This nickel is still quite clean and 
shinny since I am careful not to let it be tarnished and I clean it when I 
complete testing for the day.  This nickel is valuable and I keep it in a safe 
place unless it is undergoing testing.


I have been running my special 30 hour nickel for several hours this evening 
and it is apparent that it does not emit excess heat as compared to my control. 
 I have made 6 test measurements this evening and they straddle the calibration 
line established earlier.  I suspect that it will take more time to properly 
load the nickel before it has much chance of success.


My current level is in line with those used in the palladium systems.  The 
nickel has a diameter of 2.121 cm which makes it have an area of 3.533 square 
centimeters.  I am keeping the electrolyte level at roughly one half of the 
nickel surface which means that my effective area is in the vicinity of 3.533 
square centimeters since both sides are active.  The edges come into play as 
well, but the difficulty in controlling the dept of the bath leaves the area 
estimate as rough.  My current has been set to 1.97 amps so I end up with a 
current density of .5675 amps/square cm.


I am surprised that these types of measurements can be repeated as well as I am 
detecting and I feel confident that I would be capable of seeing excess power 
if it were 5 to 10%.  The fact that I do not see any excess power thus far does 
not mean that it will never show up in time.  The surface of my nickel is not 
treated specially and it has not been given a great deal of time to become 
loaded so any conclusion would be premature.


I am not confident that borax would be better than my electrolyte since 
hydrogen is the needed material and it shows up at the cathode in either case.  
The happenings at the anode only concern me when I detect strange effects due 
to the choice of materials.  Borax lead to several bad deposits that screwed 
with the resistanc

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Chuck Sites]

Hi Jack,

Keep at it.  It's a learning experience and probably one of the most
humbling simple experiments you can do.  I remember very well the issue of
the alligator clips rusting and corroding over anode, and wondering "What
did that do?",  What's in the plating of the alligator clip?Do you run
the cell covered, not covered.  If I cover it, do H + O recombine, and at
what rate?

I spent most of my time after seeing the "effect" developing an automated
data acquisition system.   The end result was good,  I had automated 2
thermistor readings and a Geiger counter on a Sanyo 550 (IBM 8086 sort-of
clone) but not voltage or current.  This was around 1992.  I wanted to have
the whole system automated, just like the National Instruments show.  Just
like P&F and all of the other electrolysis CF experiments, I decided to
build a calorimeter based on a large insulated tank of  water (a 7.5 gallon
starfoam cooler) lined with reflective Millard, with the water circulated,
the top sealed (and also reflective) and the CF cell immersed in the bath.
  The idea was to treat the Cell as if it was a resistive heater, and
measure the water bath heat as it accumulated heat from the cell.  If the
effect was large enough,  it should easily overwhelm P=IV  as the power
accumulated in the thermally sealed bath.

The goal was to try B11 + p -> 3He4 + 8.7 MeV  as a cold fusion surface
effect.  Could that happen?  I really don't know.

Best Regards,
Chuck



On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> My experiment has ended for today with my power supply blowing out.  I
> think my last test was not a good test of the nickel vs copper.  I was
> using what looks like a chrome plated alligator type clip as the anode in
> both.  I can see where that could have been a problem as well as I don't
> know what it was plated with.  Also, I think it's not a good idea to use
> the same power supply for two cells as it seems more current may flow one
> direction than the other?  I didn't use any W in the copper cathode cell
> (only in the one with the nickels).
>
> Now here's the really curious thing.  In the copper cell, the 10 ml of
> borax is gone.  I tried to mix it in at the beginning, but it just settled
> back to the bottom.  Some kind of chemistry was taking place.  Perhaps
> producing boric acid?  Some of it also appears to have collected in/on the
> anode.
>
> I'm using two small measuring glasses (150 ml capacity filled to 110 ml).
>  Before the power supply blew after 3 1/2 hrs the copper cell hit 129.7F
> and the nickel cell was at 79.1.  The nickel cell peaked out at 92.1 after
> 1 hour and slowly dropped.  I think it was a current flow problem as those
> results for the nickel cell were not consistent with my first run.
>
> Also, for anyone trying to replicate should head the following.  If you
> use a cooking thermometer, do not leave it in the cell while you are
> running the experiment.  I did this with my first one, and it permanently
> altered the readout making it 20F too high because of some deposit on the
> metal that could not be removed.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Chuck Sites  wrote:
>
>> Jack,
>>
>> Congratulations,  your report is exactly in lines with what I saw
>> with Ni(+) Cu(-) in my jar experiments.   That was typically 100ml of H2O
>> and a 3gm Na2B4O7 solution.  Once the Ni coin breaks down just a little, in
>> a constant voltage system, the current would jump up and the Ni coin would
>> get hot.  (Your counter electrode, should be the temp of the solution).
>> Those quick calculations are interesting because your doing it like I did,
>> running an open system, no recombiner, and your system has
>> hit equilibrium.   The fun part is that it will go for days like that, as
>> long as the water is replenished.  Eventually you may need to add a little
>> more electrolyte.
>>
>> I know there is some complex boron chemistry going on with metal oxides
>> forming as a result which is typical of electrolysis.   What is unusual
>> about this as far as Joule heating, or Ohmic heating, is that in a typical
>> wire,
>> heating occurs in a location where current is pinched where Q is
>> proportional to I^2 R.  So typically as in a Nichrome wire, it's a small
>> diameter, and slightly higher resistance than the feeding electrodes.  Here
>> you have this really large hunk of metal (the Ni coin) and the feeding wire
>> is smaller than the metal.  It just such a large are
>> for resistive heating.
>>
>> I just read your update with the Cu coin as the (+) heating more.  What
>> is your counter electrode material.  Tungsten?   It maybe, W is also one of
>> those interesting H absorbing materials.  W was always on the todo
>> list though.   Keep going, I'm really interested in seeing what you get.
>>   Also, could you guess as to the size of your jar dimensions and weight.
>>  A typical glass jar also has a pretty good size heat capacity.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Jack Cole]

Voltage only at the start.  There would really need to be a lot of
measurements to make a good comparison beyond what I measured (just
temperature).

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Jeff Berkowitz  wrote:

> Did you measure current or voltage at any time?
> Jeff
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>> My experiment has ended for today with my power supply blowing out.  I
>> think my last test was not a good test of the nickel vs copper.  I was
>> using what looks like a chrome plated alligator type clip as the anode in
>> both.  I can see where that could have been a problem as well as I don't
>> know what it was plated with.  Also, I think it's not a good idea to use
>> the same power supply for two cells as it seems more current may flow one
>> direction than the other?  I didn't use any W in the copper cathode cell
>> (only in the one with the nickels).
>>
>> Now here's the really curious thing.  In the copper cell, the 10 ml of
>> borax is gone.  I tried to mix it in at the beginning, but it just settled
>> back to the bottom.  Some kind of chemistry was taking place.  Perhaps
>> producing boric acid?  Some of it also appears to have collected in/on the
>> anode.
>>
>> I'm using two small measuring glasses (150 ml capacity filled to 110 ml).
>>  Before the power supply blew after 3 1/2 hrs the copper cell hit 129.7F
>> and the nickel cell was at 79.1.  The nickel cell peaked out at 92.1 after
>> 1 hour and slowly dropped.  I think it was a current flow problem as those
>> results for the nickel cell were not consistent with my first run.
>>
>> Also, for anyone trying to replicate should head the following.  If you
>> use a cooking thermometer, do not leave it in the cell while you are
>> running the experiment.  I did this with my first one, and it permanently
>> altered the readout making it 20F too high because of some deposit on the
>> metal that could not be removed.
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Chuck Sites  wrote:
>>
>>> Jack,
>>>
>>> Congratulations,  your report is exactly in lines with what I saw
>>> with Ni(+) Cu(-) in my jar experiments.   That was typically 100ml of H2O
>>> and a 3gm Na2B4O7 solution.  Once the Ni coin breaks down just a little, in
>>> a constant voltage system, the current would jump up and the Ni coin would
>>> get hot.  (Your counter electrode, should be the temp of the solution).
>>> Those quick calculations are interesting because your doing it like I did,
>>> running an open system, no recombiner, and your system has
>>> hit equilibrium.   The fun part is that it will go for days like that, as
>>> long as the water is replenished.  Eventually you may need to add a little
>>> more electrolyte.
>>>
>>> I know there is some complex boron chemistry going on with metal oxides
>>> forming as a result which is typical of electrolysis.   What is unusual
>>> about this as far as Joule heating, or Ohmic heating, is that in a typical
>>> wire,
>>> heating occurs in a location where current is pinched where Q is
>>> proportional to I^2 R.  So typically as in a Nichrome wire, it's a small
>>> diameter, and slightly higher resistance than the feeding electrodes.  Here
>>> you have this really large hunk of metal (the Ni coin) and the feeding wire
>>> is smaller than the metal.  It just such a large are
>>> for resistive heating.
>>>
>>> I just read your update with the Cu coin as the (+) heating more.  What
>>> is your counter electrode material.  Tungsten?   It maybe, W is also one of
>>> those interesting H absorbing materials.  W was always on the todo
>>> list though.   Keep going, I'm really interested in seeing what you get.
>>>   Also, could you guess as to the size of your jar dimensions and weight.
>>>  A typical glass jar also has a pretty good size heat capacity.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>>
 So that's 141.7g of water.  It was an open container so heat freely
 dissipated and I would also presume that power was also going into
 electrolysis in addition to heating.  So, based on Arnaud's calculations,
 we can't rule out purely electrical heating.  I'll report on the next
 experiment which involves a control cell using pennies instead of nickels
 and no thoriated tungsten.  I have two identical cells that I have filled
 with equal amounts of borax and water and will be powering from the same
 supply (one has thoriated tungsten/nickels and the other with
 pennies/copper).


 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> It was 5 oz of water.  I shut it down after the temp maxed out at 158F.
> On Oct 1, 2012 12:29 PM, "Arnaud Kodeck" 
> wrote:
>
>> **
>> Find here some simple calorimetry calculations :
>>
>> Electrical energy given to the system : 4.33 hours @ 12 watt = 187056
>> J => 44677 cal
>>
>> To rise the temp from 55 F to 146 F, the s

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Jeff Berkowitz]

Did you measure current or voltage at any time?
Jeff

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> My experiment has ended for today with my power supply blowing out.  I
> think my last test was not a good test of the nickel vs copper.  I was
> using what looks like a chrome plated alligator type clip as the anode in
> both.  I can see where that could have been a problem as well as I don't
> know what it was plated with.  Also, I think it's not a good idea to use
> the same power supply for two cells as it seems more current may flow one
> direction than the other?  I didn't use any W in the copper cathode cell
> (only in the one with the nickels).
>
> Now here's the really curious thing.  In the copper cell, the 10 ml of
> borax is gone.  I tried to mix it in at the beginning, but it just settled
> back to the bottom.  Some kind of chemistry was taking place.  Perhaps
> producing boric acid?  Some of it also appears to have collected in/on the
> anode.
>
> I'm using two small measuring glasses (150 ml capacity filled to 110 ml).
>  Before the power supply blew after 3 1/2 hrs the copper cell hit 129.7F
> and the nickel cell was at 79.1.  The nickel cell peaked out at 92.1 after
> 1 hour and slowly dropped.  I think it was a current flow problem as those
> results for the nickel cell were not consistent with my first run.
>
> Also, for anyone trying to replicate should head the following.  If you
> use a cooking thermometer, do not leave it in the cell while you are
> running the experiment.  I did this with my first one, and it permanently
> altered the readout making it 20F too high because of some deposit on the
> metal that could not be removed.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Chuck Sites  wrote:
>
>> Jack,
>>
>> Congratulations,  your report is exactly in lines with what I saw
>> with Ni(+) Cu(-) in my jar experiments.   That was typically 100ml of H2O
>> and a 3gm Na2B4O7 solution.  Once the Ni coin breaks down just a little, in
>> a constant voltage system, the current would jump up and the Ni coin would
>> get hot.  (Your counter electrode, should be the temp of the solution).
>> Those quick calculations are interesting because your doing it like I did,
>> running an open system, no recombiner, and your system has
>> hit equilibrium.   The fun part is that it will go for days like that, as
>> long as the water is replenished.  Eventually you may need to add a little
>> more electrolyte.
>>
>> I know there is some complex boron chemistry going on with metal oxides
>> forming as a result which is typical of electrolysis.   What is unusual
>> about this as far as Joule heating, or Ohmic heating, is that in a typical
>> wire,
>> heating occurs in a location where current is pinched where Q is
>> proportional to I^2 R.  So typically as in a Nichrome wire, it's a small
>> diameter, and slightly higher resistance than the feeding electrodes.  Here
>> you have this really large hunk of metal (the Ni coin) and the feeding wire
>> is smaller than the metal.  It just such a large are
>> for resistive heating.
>>
>> I just read your update with the Cu coin as the (+) heating more.  What
>> is your counter electrode material.  Tungsten?   It maybe, W is also one of
>> those interesting H absorbing materials.  W was always on the todo
>> list though.   Keep going, I'm really interested in seeing what you get.
>>   Also, could you guess as to the size of your jar dimensions and weight.
>>  A typical glass jar also has a pretty good size heat capacity.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> So that's 141.7g of water.  It was an open container so heat freely
>>> dissipated and I would also presume that power was also going into
>>> electrolysis in addition to heating.  So, based on Arnaud's calculations,
>>> we can't rule out purely electrical heating.  I'll report on the next
>>> experiment which involves a control cell using pennies instead of nickels
>>> and no thoriated tungsten.  I have two identical cells that I have filled
>>> with equal amounts of borax and water and will be powering from the same
>>> supply (one has thoriated tungsten/nickels and the other with
>>> pennies/copper).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>>
 It was 5 oz of water.  I shut it down after the temp maxed out at 158F.
 On Oct 1, 2012 12:29 PM, "Arnaud Kodeck" 
 wrote:

> **
> Find here some simple calorimetry calculations :
>
> Electrical energy given to the system : 4.33 hours @ 12 watt = 187056
> J => 44677 cal
>
> To rise the temp from 55 F to 146 F, the system need 50 cal/g of
> water. (Assuming electrodes and recipient are negligible)
>
> Assuming no loss of heat by dissipation, the electrical energy
> released will rise the temperature of 44677 / 50 = 884g of water.
>
> If Jack use more than 884g of water, we are sure that there is ano

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Jack Cole]

Hi Chuck,

My experiment has ended for today with my power supply blowing out.  I
think my last test was not a good test of the nickel vs copper.  I was
using what looks like a chrome plated alligator type clip as the anode in
both.  I can see where that could have been a problem as well as I don't
know what it was plated with.  Also, I think it's not a good idea to use
the same power supply for two cells as it seems more current may flow one
direction than the other?  I didn't use any W in the copper cathode cell
(only in the one with the nickels).

Now here's the really curious thing.  In the copper cell, the 10 ml of
borax is gone.  I tried to mix it in at the beginning, but it just settled
back to the bottom.  Some kind of chemistry was taking place.  Perhaps
producing boric acid?  Some of it also appears to have collected in/on the
anode.

I'm using two small measuring glasses (150 ml capacity filled to 110 ml).
 Before the power supply blew after 3 1/2 hrs the copper cell hit 129.7F
and the nickel cell was at 79.1.  The nickel cell peaked out at 92.1 after
1 hour and slowly dropped.  I think it was a current flow problem as those
results for the nickel cell were not consistent with my first run.

Also, for anyone trying to replicate should head the following.  If you use
a cooking thermometer, do not leave it in the cell while you are running
the experiment.  I did this with my first one, and it permanently altered
the readout making it 20F too high because of some deposit on the metal
that could not be removed.

Jack



On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:29 PM, Chuck Sites  wrote:

> Jack,
>
> Congratulations,  your report is exactly in lines with what I saw with
> Ni(+) Cu(-) in my jar experiments.   That was typically 100ml of H2O and a
> 3gm Na2B4O7 solution.  Once the Ni coin breaks down just a little, in a
> constant voltage system, the current would jump up and the Ni coin would
> get hot.  (Your counter electrode, should be the temp of the solution).
> Those quick calculations are interesting because your doing it like I did,
> running an open system, no recombiner, and your system has
> hit equilibrium.   The fun part is that it will go for days like that, as
> long as the water is replenished.  Eventually you may need to add a little
> more electrolyte.
>
> I know there is some complex boron chemistry going on with metal oxides
> forming as a result which is typical of electrolysis.   What is unusual
> about this as far as Joule heating, or Ohmic heating, is that in a typical
> wire,
> heating occurs in a location where current is pinched where Q is
> proportional to I^2 R.  So typically as in a Nichrome wire, it's a small
> diameter, and slightly higher resistance than the feeding electrodes.  Here
> you have this really large hunk of metal (the Ni coin) and the feeding wire
> is smaller than the metal.  It just such a large are
> for resistive heating.
>
> I just read your update with the Cu coin as the (+) heating more.  What is
> your counter electrode material.  Tungsten?   It maybe, W is also one of
> those interesting H absorbing materials.  W was always on the todo
> list though.   Keep going, I'm really interested in seeing what you get.
> Also, could you guess as to the size of your jar dimensions and weight.
>  A typical glass jar also has a pretty good size heat capacity.
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> So that's 141.7g of water.  It was an open container so heat freely
>> dissipated and I would also presume that power was also going into
>> electrolysis in addition to heating.  So, based on Arnaud's calculations,
>> we can't rule out purely electrical heating.  I'll report on the next
>> experiment which involves a control cell using pennies instead of nickels
>> and no thoriated tungsten.  I have two identical cells that I have filled
>> with equal amounts of borax and water and will be powering from the same
>> supply (one has thoriated tungsten/nickels and the other with
>> pennies/copper).
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> It was 5 oz of water.  I shut it down after the temp maxed out at 158F.
>>> On Oct 1, 2012 12:29 PM, "Arnaud Kodeck" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 **
 Find here some simple calorimetry calculations :

 Electrical energy given to the system : 4.33 hours @ 12 watt = 187056 J
 => 44677 cal

 To rise the temp from 55 F to 146 F, the system need 50 cal/g of
 water. (Assuming electrodes and recipient are negligible)

 Assuming no loss of heat by dissipation, the electrical energy released
 will rise the temperature of 44677 / 50 = 884g of water.

 If Jack use more than 884g of water, we are sure that there is another
 energy source (chemical or other).

  --
 *From:* ken deboer [mailto:barlaz...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* lundi 1 octobre 2012 19:00
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]

[Vo]:Does anyone keep a list of cold fusion patents?

[Jed Rothwell]

Frank Gordon and David French are thinking of compiling a list of cold
fusion related patents. Does anyone have such a list already?

I have some listed in my EndNote database, but I have not made any effort
to keep up with them. I add them to the database when someone sends me a
patent.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites

[Jones Beene]

Update for anyone with aspirations of seeing a robust excess heat effect
with Zeolites, using the Reiter effect (cobalt loading).

Amazon actually caries a cobalt loaded zeolite material - used as aquarium
filter media. 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B005QRHM5I

This is not a joke - but I have no illusions that this product could work in
the same robust way as Nick's material, since it probably has minimal cobalt
- but it's a bargain, and the ease of operation with a good calorimeter...
even one from Thermonetics, no less, could be worth a shot for anyone with
more time than money... 

Hmm ... Kinda like owning a Yugo.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62560.html

LOL... Had to throw Mary a bone, so to speak - since he/she does make a good
device.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if someone were to use a simple Amazon aquarium filter
media, a pipe reactor, KH and heating tape - and a Thermonetics calorimeter
to show unmistakable excess heat ... in a lowest common denominator system. 

It could happen, folks.

Jones

_

Thanks, Ruby. 

These are old slides (2008) are interesting in the context
of palladium-deuterium. But there is no real anomaly to get excited about
there. This is similar to the NRL work with zeolites. Yawn.

The caption under both experiments could be labeled as "so
close, but so far away" since they had the "Casimir cavity" part of the
equation correct (using zeolite), but not the active ingredients. Palladium
deuterium is not a Casimir-cavity influenced reaction - that much is clear. 

OTOH... hydrogen is.

I was hoping that there would have been information more
pertinent to the "Reiter effect" with cobalt and hydrogen in zeolite,
mentioned recently here as the "ZeoCat", but that was wishful thinking.


https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxvaGlvd
G9pb3xneDpjZGMzM2VjNGQwY2ExZDc&pli=1
BTW - As of today, not yet October - the ZeoCat of Nick
Reiter looks to me like the most important open source experiment in LENR in
the sense of: easy to do, but with robust results, begging for replication,
and begging for enhancements.


From: Ruby 
As far as I know, there is only slides from
his presentation at ICCF-14 by New Energy Times.

You must scroll down on this page to find
his name


http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2008/ICCF14/ICCMNS-14-Recordings.sh
tml


Here is the direct download for the New
Energy Times .pdf:


http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2008/ICCF14/Pres/14-Parchamazad-Nan
oparticles.pdf


Ruby


Jones Beene wrote:
The only paper I've found for him is with
Biberian:
 

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPpossiblero.pdf
 
and it hardly mentions zeolites. Is there
another?
 
Jones
 
 
From: Ruby 

I edited an under-23-minute video of Dr.
Iraj Parchamazad Chemistry Chairman of University of LaVerne talking about
his research into anomalous heat reactions using nano-palladium loaded
zeolites exposed to deuterium gas.


http://coldfusionnow.org/iraj-parchamazad-lenr-with-zeolites/

Enjoy!
-- 
Ruby Carat



<>

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Chuck Sites]

Jack,

Congratulations,  your report is exactly in lines with what I saw with
Ni(+) Cu(-) in my jar experiments.   That was typically 100ml of H2O and a
3gm Na2B4O7 solution.  Once the Ni coin breaks down just a little, in a
constant voltage system, the current would jump up and the Ni coin would
get hot.  (Your counter electrode, should be the temp of the solution).
Those quick calculations are interesting because your doing it like I did,
running an open system, no recombiner, and your system has hit equilibrium.
  The fun part is that it will go for days like that, as long as the water
is replenished.  Eventually you may need to add a little more electrolyte.

I know there is some complex boron chemistry going on with metal oxides
forming as a result which is typical of electrolysis.   What is unusual
about this as far as Joule heating, or Ohmic heating, is that in a typical
wire,
heating occurs in a location where current is pinched where Q is
proportional to I^2 R.  So typically as in a Nichrome wire, it's a small
diameter, and slightly higher resistance than the feeding electrodes.  Here
you have this really large hunk of metal (the Ni coin) and the feeding wire
is smaller than the metal.  It just such a large are
for resistive heating.

I just read your update with the Cu coin as the (+) heating more.  What is
your counter electrode material.  Tungsten?   It maybe, W is also one of
those interesting H absorbing materials.  W was always on the todo
list though.   Keep going, I'm really interested in seeing what you get.
Also, could you guess as to the size of your jar dimensions and weight.
 A typical glass jar also has a pretty good size heat capacity.

Best Regards,
Chuck


On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> So that's 141.7g of water.  It was an open container so heat freely
> dissipated and I would also presume that power was also going into
> electrolysis in addition to heating.  So, based on Arnaud's calculations,
> we can't rule out purely electrical heating.  I'll report on the next
> experiment which involves a control cell using pennies instead of nickels
> and no thoriated tungsten.  I have two identical cells that I have filled
> with equal amounts of borax and water and will be powering from the same
> supply (one has thoriated tungsten/nickels and the other with
> pennies/copper).
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> It was 5 oz of water.  I shut it down after the temp maxed out at 158F.
>> On Oct 1, 2012 12:29 PM, "Arnaud Kodeck"  wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Find here some simple calorimetry calculations :
>>>
>>> Electrical energy given to the system : 4.33 hours @ 12 watt = 187056 J
>>> => 44677 cal
>>>
>>> To rise the temp from 55 F to 146 F, the system need 50 cal/g of water.
>>> (Assuming electrodes and recipient are negligible)
>>>
>>> Assuming no loss of heat by dissipation, the electrical energy released
>>> will rise the temperature of 44677 / 50 = 884g of water.
>>>
>>> If Jack use more than 884g of water, we are sure that there is another
>>> energy source (chemical or other).
>>>
>>>  --
>>> *From:* ken deboer [mailto:barlaz...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* lundi 1 octobre 2012 19:00
>>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment
>>>
>>>  Very interesting, indeed.  How much water are you using? If everything
>>> were 100% efficient, and you were inputting 12 watts/hr = ~40 btu/hr, over
>>> 3 hours you would have 120 btu, which theoretically could raise 1 pound of
>>> water 120 F.
>>> Best regards, kend
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Jed, glad to do it.

 Small update:

 7 am Temp 55F Start
 9 am Temp 110F
 10 am  Temp 129F
 11:20 am Temp 146F

 Outside temp started at 55F and was at 57F at 11:20 am.

 I'll keep running until the temp levels off.  At that point, I'll work
 on setting up a control cell.  The water has turned brown, so I presume
 something is also happening with the copper (either in the nickels or the
 exposed portion of copper wire attaching to the electrode).



 On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

> Thanks for doing this!
>
> - Jed
>
>

>>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Jack Cole]

Sadly more than an hour into a controlled experiment, pennies are outdoing
the nickel (100.7F vs. 92.1F).  So for now, this looks to be a failure to
replicate on two fronts (copper not resulting in heating and superiority of
nickel).  I'll report again if I find something different.

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

>  DC electrolysis is inefficient at raising the temperature of an
> electrolyte for two obvious reasons. Water-splitting itself uses up much of
> the current, and when the split gases are not recombined, then that energy
> is completely lost; plus the split gases, apart from the energy used to
> split them - can also carry away an additional amount of the heat as
> saturated mist, which actually cools the electrolyte. 
>
> ** **
>
> You were less than 50% efficient in heating the water with DC. If there
> was any slight gain from Ni-H or boron, it would have been completely
> missed in the inefficiency.
>
> ** **
>
> If your main goal is to raise the heat of the electrolyte – then DC is not
> the way to go - use AC and use wider separation of electrodes - limit
> bubble formation as much as possible – thus to maximize the Ohmic heat
> retained in the electrolyte. That way, if there is any excess heat from an
> anomalous source - you will at least have a chance that it can be seen.***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jack Cole 
>
> ** **
>
> It was 5 oz of water.  I shut it down after the temp maxed out at 158F.***
> *
>
> ** **
>
> "Arnaud Kodeck" wrote:
>
>   
>
> If Jack use more than 884g of water, we are sure that there is another
> energy source (chemical or other). 
>
> ** **
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Magnons, excess heat and ferromagnetism

[Nigel Dyer]

I have been looking at some cell biology that suggests that nature may 
have got there first on this, which is perhaps no surprise. In the 
biological system the phonons are associated with low frequency 
vibrational modes in huntingtin, and I suspect that these are coupled to 
Cu2+ ions associated with DNA which are in a ferromagnetic state through 
Cu2+ ions that are associated with huntingtin's PolyQ tail.


The parallel with LENR is possibly that it provides an additional, and 
efficient, way for energy to be transported within the cell.


Nigel

On 30/09/2012 17:08, Jones Beene wrote:

In 2008, research in spintronics focused onto with what is being called a
spin Seebeck effect. The effect is seen when heat is applied to a magnetized
metal and it may operate with other inherent phase changes to produce novel
thermal-magnetic effects. The key concept is the magnon.

Unlike ordinary electron movement, the spin Seebeck effect does not create
heat as a waste product, so that a Curie point can be maintained in a
see-saw fashion, along with other inputs.

Interesting new paper touching on the spin Seebeck effect and the magnon
connection. It is not exactly on point for Ni-H, but there are clues; and
the references at the end are worth the download.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1209/1209.3405.pdf

Imagine the magnon as the quantum force carrier of spin, in the same way as
the photon is the quantum of light. Admittedly, this analogy quickly breaks
down in the details since the magnon is a quasiparticle; but for
understanding the major point about the transfer of spin energy from one
nucleus to another, there is more. Photons can illuminate a photocell and
produce electricity, in the sense of forcing electrons into a vector, and
correspondingly, magnons can irradiate a ferromagnetic material to produce
heat to the extent that they alternate polarity rapidly by spin reversals.
Reversals happen repeatedly near the Curie point.

When a magnetic field reverses its orientation, electric dipoles of atoms
shift orientation - and as a result thermal energy is deposited. Even the
core of a small wall-transformer, when charging your cell phone with a few
watts, gets rather hot from dipole reversal. In general the higher the
frequency of dipole reversal - the more heat is deposited and it is
exponential. 50 or 60 Hertz gives moderate core heating, but RF gives so
much heat that it is the preferred method of rapidly heating some metals
without direct electrical current (Ohmic heat). UV is thousands of times
more robust than RF. Hydrogen is a prime UV emitter.

This could be the best way to understand how thermal gain in Ni-H or Co-H
operates - via magnon emission from protons (following reversible proton
fusion). Magnon emission can decay with no heat transfer unless collected in
an absorber of magnons, preferably one that magnifies the effect in the same
general way that iron magnifies field reversals in a typical transformer.

In a normal paramagnetic metal like palladium, dipoles move independently
from each other but they tend to orient in a magnetic field so as to
increase the field strength, to the extent of their magnetic susceptibility.
Magnetic susceptibility ("magnetizability" is a term that could be used) is
a dimensionless proportionality constant. Hydrogen in pure palladium does
not produce much excess heat, and this means it can be used as a "control"
for proving deuterium gain. The difference in susceptibility between
paramagnets and ferromagnets varies, but as a ratio of the magnification
effect of 40,000:1 would be a fair approximation for why nickel works to
capture magnons effectively, and palladium doesn't.

Thusly, when hydrogen is loaded into a ferromagnetic material like nickel or
cobalt, it can produce excess heating in those matrices, under conditions
which in palladium produce nothing. This should tell the keen observer that
there is a fundamental difference between Ni-H and Pd-D systems in the way
gain materializes. The two are almost unrelated in terms of modus operandi,
other than being isotopes of the same element

In ferromagnetics, dipoles orient so as to increase the field, but those
dipoles are not independent from each other as in paramagnets. They are
self-sensitive. If dipoles are initially oriented at random, all adjacent
dipoles will preferentially orient parallel to any change, with the
slightest inducement. This magnifies the effect by the large factor
mentioned above.

When a mass of ferromagnetic material is brought near a source of randomly
emitted magnons, almost all the dipoles in the ferromagnet will orient in
the direction of the instant field of every magnon. Hence a ferromagnet, as
a target for a "quantum unit of spin" can enormously increase the effect of
magnon release. Also, as a known upper temperature is reached, the Curie
point, the ferromagnet will become an ordinary paramagnet. That permits
another way to vary the orientation of dipoles.

The interesting thin

Re: [Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites

[pagnucco]

Ruby,

Thanks.  I will contact him within the next few days.

If anyone is interested in exotic phenomena in zeolites, check out -

Composite on base of 2D nanotubular base as ideal high-Tc superconductor
http://144.206.159.178/ft/844/35134/602096.pdf

Ideal Nano-Emitters and Panel Nano-Devices Based on 2D Crystals of
Superconducting Nanotubes
http://www.springerlink.com/content/jg36140883816u14/?MUD=MP

Polaron superconductivity model for Li-doped nanotube-zeolite composite
http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/MAR06/Event/43183

Zeolite-dye micro lasers
arxiv.org/pdf/physics/9811008

Hexagonal dielectric resonators and microcrystal lasers
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0210052.pdf

Nanoporous compound materials for optical applications –
Microlasers and microresonators
http://arxiv.org/pdf/physics/0406155.pdf

Perhaps, zeolites, and other nanoporous media can serve as templates to
build nanostructures that are ballistic conductors, lasers, light
super-concentrators, em-to-phonon transducers, 

- Lou Pagnucco

> Lou, I'm glad you dug it.  It was super fun hanging with those guys.
>
> I don't know the answer to your questions myself, but you can contact
> Iraj Parchamazad at iparchama...@laverne.edu ask him yourself.
>
> I'm sure he would be happy to respond.
>
> I am working on a new video right now that must be finished completely
> by next week...
>
> Ruby
>
>
> On 9/30/12 9:07 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
>> Excellent video, Ruby
>>
>> Parchamazad's approach is intriguing.
>>
>> If you are still in touch with him, it would be interesting to know -
>>
>> - if the nano-particles form fractal conductive chains, and if so, the
>> bulk
>>resistance, and its stability
>>
>> - that since em-absorption spectrum changes after Pd-loading, is there
>> any
>>evidence of super-focusing and "hot spots" in the nano-structure
>>
>> - whether he can use a non-metallic chamber so that em-emissions can be
>>characterized.
>>
>> Thanks for the good work.
>>
>> - Lou Pagnucco
>>
>>> I edited an under-23-minute video of Dr. Iraj Parchamazad Chemistry
>>> Chairman of University of LaVerne talking about his research into
>>> anomalous heat reactions using nano-palladium loaded zeolites exposed
>>> to
>>> deuterium gas.
>>>
>>> http://coldfusionnow.org/iraj-parchamazad-lenr-with-zeolites/
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ruby Carat
>>>
>>> United States 1-707-616-4894
>>> Skype ruby-carat
>>> www.coldfusionnow.org 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Ruby Carat
>
> United States 1-707-616-4894
> Skype ruby-carat
> www.coldfusionnow.org 
>

RE: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

[Jones Beene]

Absurd conclusion in this video!

 

The is absolutely zero evidence for conversion of neon gas to argon in this,
or in any Papp discharge. LOL. 

 

What idiots. With 2 minutes of googling - they could find that neon also has
two strong violet lines.

 

http://www2.ifa.hawaii.edu/newsletters/images/37spectra.jpg

 

IOW - the violet lines which can be seen for a fraction of a second in a
neon discharge are NOT argon lines from the transmutation of neon to argon,
but are normal neon lines.

 

 

From: Axil Axil 

 

Is video proports to show a device where the transmutation of noble gas is
going on based on the Papp reaction.. 


For example:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwQIioZig2Q

 

 

 

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

[Axil Axil]

Is video proports to show a device where the transmutation of noble gas is
going on based on the Papp reaction..

For example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwQIioZig2Q


Cheers:Axil


On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:46 AM, ecat builder wrote:

> Hi Vortex,
>
> Some updates on Papp development.. Which most of you know is a noble gas
> that is charged (by RF/spark) and drives a piston with an unexplained (?)
> force. Harvesting the force and residual energy to produce overunity power
> remains to be seen.
>
> http://peswiki.com/index.php/Talk:Directory:Plasma_Energy_Controls_Plasma_Expansion_Motor
>
>
>
> An open source Papp Engine based on Bob's design is being built by a 26 yr
> old whiz named Russ.
> He has made great progress in just a few weeks-- a cylinder based on Bob's
> test unit, spark generator, gas system, and more.
> I'm sure he'll be looking for ideas on how to mix and test noble gas
> mixtures.
>
> http://rwgresearch.com/
> https://www.youtube.com/user/rwg42985?feature=g-user-u
> http://www.open-source-energy.org/forum/showthread.php?tid=659
> Bob is chiming in with feedback, which is great to see. The forum is at 12
> pages and is filled with interesting tidbits.
>
>
> Here is a (self-taught?) Dannel Roberts and his visit to Bob's shop.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_zWJNyoFgJM
> Starting at 22:40 is Robert's theory of how the Papp engine creates a
> bang...
>
>
> Chuck (a LENR replicator) received his Popper Kit from John. It contains
> 15 pages of design/build notes and has a signal generator to drive 2
> included spark coils.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lFt_q69dxk&feature=plcp
>
> Bob Rohner has also produced a few new movies, one warning of the
> potential dangers of building a popper.. another showing the system running
> without a coil, dispelling the thought that the coil could be the source of
> the force, showing that compressed air is not used.
> http://www.rohnermachine.com/pagedocuments.html
> https://www.youtube.com/user/bjrohner?feature=g-user-u
>
> All very interesting, but a lot of power is going in (300 joules?) so a
> lot of work, luck, and miracles may still be needed.
>
> - Brad
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Jones Beene]

DC electrolysis is inefficient at raising the temperature of an electrolyte
for two obvious reasons. Water-splitting itself uses up much of the current,
and when the split gases are not recombined, then that energy is completely
lost; plus the split gases, apart from the energy used to split them - can
also carry away an additional amount of the heat as saturated mist, which
actually cools the electrolyte. 

 

You were less than 50% efficient in heating the water with DC. If there was
any slight gain from Ni-H or boron, it would have been completely missed in
the inefficiency.

 

If your main goal is to raise the heat of the electrolyte - then DC is not
the way to go - use AC and use wider separation of electrodes - limit bubble
formation as much as possible - thus to maximize the Ohmic heat retained in
the electrolyte. That way, if there is any excess heat from an anomalous
source - you will at least have a chance that it can be seen.

 

From: Jack Cole 

 

It was 5 oz of water.  I shut it down after the temp maxed out at 158F.

 

"Arnaud Kodeck" wrote:

  

If Jack use more than 884g of water, we are sure that there is another
energy source (chemical or other). 

 

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Jack Cole]

So that's 141.7g of water.  It was an open container so heat freely
dissipated and I would also presume that power was also going into
electrolysis in addition to heating.  So, based on Arnaud's calculations,
we can't rule out purely electrical heating.  I'll report on the next
experiment which involves a control cell using pennies instead of nickels
and no thoriated tungsten.  I have two identical cells that I have filled
with equal amounts of borax and water and will be powering from the same
supply (one has thoriated tungsten/nickels and the other with
pennies/copper).

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> It was 5 oz of water.  I shut it down after the temp maxed out at 158F.
> On Oct 1, 2012 12:29 PM, "Arnaud Kodeck"  wrote:
>
>> **
>> Find here some simple calorimetry calculations :
>>
>> Electrical energy given to the system : 4.33 hours @ 12 watt = 187056 J
>> => 44677 cal
>>
>> To rise the temp from 55 F to 146 F, the system need 50 cal/g of water.
>> (Assuming electrodes and recipient are negligible)
>>
>> Assuming no loss of heat by dissipation, the electrical energy released
>> will rise the temperature of 44677 / 50 = 884g of water.
>>
>> If Jack use more than 884g of water, we are sure that there is another
>> energy source (chemical or other).
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* ken deboer [mailto:barlaz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* lundi 1 octobre 2012 19:00
>> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment
>>
>>  Very interesting, indeed.  How much water are you using? If everything
>> were 100% efficient, and you were inputting 12 watts/hr = ~40 btu/hr, over
>> 3 hours you would have 120 btu, which theoretically could raise 1 pound of
>> water 120 F.
>> Best regards, kend
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Jed, glad to do it.
>>>
>>> Small update:
>>>
>>> 7 am Temp 55F Start
>>> 9 am Temp 110F
>>> 10 am  Temp 129F
>>> 11:20 am Temp 146F
>>>
>>> Outside temp started at 55F and was at 57F at 11:20 am.
>>>
>>> I'll keep running until the temp levels off.  At that point, I'll work
>>> on setting up a control cell.  The water has turned brown, so I presume
>>> something is also happening with the copper (either in the nickels or the
>>> exposed portion of copper wire attaching to the electrode).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for doing this!

 - Jed


>>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:FTL Antenna

[David Roberson]

Now I know there is a strong effort to keep LENR devices out of patent 
protection.  This particular invention could not be proven by any law of 
physics that I am aware of and I would be amazed to find that a working model 
has ever been constructed that demonstrates faster than light transmission of 
RF.


Come on, tell the truth, is this some form of April fool's joke?  If there were 
any reality to this device I am sure that by now it would be ubiquitous.


Maybe one problem is that a receiver for this new source of transmission would 
be overwhelmed by interference from every transmitter throughout the universe.  
I saw no discussion of the capability to utilize more than one channel. LOL


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 8:11 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:FTL Antenna


On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Craig Haynie  wrote:
> " The present invention has discovered the apparent existence of a new
> dimension capable of acting as a medium for RE signals. Initial benefits
> of penetrating this new dimension include sending RF signals faster than
> the speed of light, extending the effective distance of RF transmitters
> at the same power radiated, penetrating known RF shielding devices, and
> accelerating plant growth exposed to the by-product energy of the RF
> transmissions."
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/8htrubb

With images:

http://www.google.com/patents/US6025810


 

RE: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Jack Cole]

It was 5 oz of water.  I shut it down after the temp maxed out at 158F.
On Oct 1, 2012 12:29 PM, "Arnaud Kodeck"  wrote:

> **
> Find here some simple calorimetry calculations :
>
> Electrical energy given to the system : 4.33 hours @ 12 watt = 187056 J =>
> 44677 cal
>
> To rise the temp from 55 F to 146 F, the system need 50 cal/g of water.
> (Assuming electrodes and recipient are negligible)
>
> Assuming no loss of heat by dissipation, the electrical energy released
> will rise the temperature of 44677 / 50 = 884g of water.
>
> If Jack use more than 884g of water, we are sure that there is another
> energy source (chemical or other).
>
>  --
> *From:* ken deboer [mailto:barlaz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* lundi 1 octobre 2012 19:00
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment
>
>  Very interesting, indeed.  How much water are you using? If everything
> were 100% efficient, and you were inputting 12 watts/hr = ~40 btu/hr, over
> 3 hours you would have 120 btu, which theoretically could raise 1 pound of
> water 120 F.
> Best regards, kend
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jed, glad to do it.
>>
>> Small update:
>>
>> 7 am Temp 55F Start
>> 9 am Temp 110F
>> 10 am  Temp 129F
>> 11:20 am Temp 146F
>>
>> Outside temp started at 55F and was at 57F at 11:20 am.
>>
>> I'll keep running until the temp levels off.  At that point, I'll work on
>> setting up a control cell.  The water has turned brown, so I presume
>> something is also happening with the copper (either in the nickels or the
>> exposed portion of copper wire attaching to the electrode).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for doing this!
>>>
>>> - Jed
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites

[Ruby]

Lou, I'm glad you dug it.  It was super fun hanging with those guys.

I don't know the answer to your questions myself, but you can contact 
Iraj Parchamazad at iparchama...@laverne.edu ask him yourself.


I'm sure he would be happy to respond.

I am working on a new video right now that must be finished completely 
by next week...


Ruby


On 9/30/12 9:07 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:

Excellent video, Ruby

Parchamazad's approach is intriguing.

If you are still in touch with him, it would be interesting to know -

- if the nano-particles form fractal conductive chains, and if so, the bulk
   resistance, and its stability

- that since em-absorption spectrum changes after Pd-loading, is there any
   evidence of super-focusing and "hot spots" in the nano-structure

- whether he can use a non-metallic chamber so that em-emissions can be
   characterized.

Thanks for the good work.

- Lou Pagnucco


I edited an under-23-minute video of Dr. Iraj Parchamazad Chemistry
Chairman of University of LaVerne talking about his research into
anomalous heat reactions using nano-palladium loaded zeolites exposed to
deuterium gas.

http://coldfusionnow.org/iraj-parchamazad-lenr-with-zeolites/

Enjoy!

--
Ruby Carat

United States 1-707-616-4894
Skype ruby-carat
www.coldfusionnow.org 








--
Ruby Carat

United States 1-707-616-4894
Skype ruby-carat
www.coldfusionnow.org 

RE: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Arnaud Kodeck]

Find here some simple calorimetry calculations :
 
Electrical energy given to the system : 4.33 hours @ 12 watt = 187056 J =>
44677 cal
 
To rise the temp from 55 F to 146 F, the system need 50 cal/g of water.
(Assuming electrodes and recipient are negligible)
 
Assuming no loss of heat by dissipation, the electrical energy released will
rise the temperature of 44677 / 50 = 884g of water.
 
If Jack use more than 884g of water, we are sure that there is another
energy source (chemical or other).

  _  

From: ken deboer [mailto:barlaz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: lundi 1 octobre 2012 19:00
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment


Very interesting, indeed.  How much water are you using? If everything were
100% efficient, and you were inputting 12 watts/hr = ~40 btu/hr, over 3
hours you would have 120 btu, which theoretically could raise 1 pound of
water 120 F. 
Best regards, kend


On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:


Thanks Jed, glad to do it.

Small update: 

7 am Temp 55F Start
9 am Temp 110F
10 am  Temp 129F
11:20 am Temp 146F

Outside temp started at 55F and was at 57F at 11:20 am.

I'll keep running until the temp levels off.  At that point, I'll work on
setting up a control cell.  The water has turned brown, so I presume
something is also happening with the copper (either in the nickels or the
exposed portion of copper wire attaching to the electrode).



On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:


Thanks for doing this! 

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Magnons, excess heat and ferromagnetism

[David Roberson]

Have they identified the energy source for the heat?  Does heat get moved from 
one location to another as in a heat pump or is this some form of free energy?


I ask these questions because I am concerned that the conservation of energy is 
violated if this device actually works as described.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Teslaalset 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 4:40 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Magnons, excess heat and ferromagnetism


So, is this what Steorn now is exploiting??
They mention COP of 5 using magnetic impulse technology to produce heat.



On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Ron Kita  wrote:

Kudos...Jones.


I am a Magnon "Believer",


Respectfully,
Ron Kita



On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

In 2008, research in spintronics focused onto with what is being called a
spin Seebeck effect. The effect is seen when heat is applied to a magnetized
metal and it may operate with other inherent phase changes to produce novel
thermal-magnetic effects. The key concept is the magnon.

Unlike ordinary electron movement, the spin Seebeck effect does not create
heat as a waste product, so that a Curie point can be maintained in a
see-saw fashion, along with other inputs.

Interesting new paper touching on the spin Seebeck effect and the magnon
connection. It is not exactly on point for Ni-H, but there are clues; and
the references at the end are worth the download.

http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1209/1209.3405.pdf

Imagine the magnon as the quantum force carrier of spin, in the same way as
the photon is the quantum of light. Admittedly, this analogy quickly breaks
down in the details since the magnon is a quasiparticle; but for
understanding the major point about the transfer of spin energy from one
nucleus to another, there is more. Photons can illuminate a photocell and
produce electricity, in the sense of forcing electrons into a vector, and
correspondingly, magnons can irradiate a ferromagnetic material to produce
heat to the extent that they alternate polarity rapidly by spin reversals.
Reversals happen repeatedly near the Curie point.

When a magnetic field reverses its orientation, electric dipoles of atoms
shift orientation - and as a result thermal energy is deposited. Even the
core of a small wall-transformer, when charging your cell phone with a few
watts, gets rather hot from dipole reversal. In general the higher the
frequency of dipole reversal - the more heat is deposited and it is
exponential. 50 or 60 Hertz gives moderate core heating, but RF gives so
much heat that it is the preferred method of rapidly heating some metals
without direct electrical current (Ohmic heat). UV is thousands of times
more robust than RF. Hydrogen is a prime UV emitter.

This could be the best way to understand how thermal gain in Ni-H or Co-H
operates - via magnon emission from protons (following reversible proton
fusion). Magnon emission can decay with no heat transfer unless collected in
an absorber of magnons, preferably one that magnifies the effect in the same
general way that iron magnifies field reversals in a typical transformer.

In a normal paramagnetic metal like palladium, dipoles move independently
from each other but they tend to orient in a magnetic field so as to
increase the field strength, to the extent of their magnetic susceptibility.
Magnetic susceptibility ("magnetizability" is a term that could be used) is
a dimensionless proportionality constant. Hydrogen in pure palladium does
not produce much excess heat, and this means it can be used as a "control"
for proving deuterium gain. The difference in susceptibility between
paramagnets and ferromagnets varies, but as a ratio of the magnification
effect of 40,000:1 would be a fair approximation for why nickel works to
capture magnons effectively, and palladium doesn't.

Thusly, when hydrogen is loaded into a ferromagnetic material like nickel or
cobalt, it can produce excess heating in those matrices, under conditions
which in palladium produce nothing. This should tell the keen observer that
there is a fundamental difference between Ni-H and Pd-D systems in the way
gain materializes. The two are almost unrelated in terms of modus operandi,
other than being isotopes of the same element

In ferromagnetics, dipoles orient so as to increase the field, but those
dipoles are not independent from each other as in paramagnets. They are
self-sensitive. If dipoles are initially oriented at random, all adjacent
dipoles will preferentially orient parallel to any change, with the
slightest inducement. This magnifies the effect by the large factor
mentioned above.

When a mass of ferromagnetic material is brought near a source of randomly
emitted magnons, almost all the dipoles in the ferromagnet will orient in
the direction of the instant field of every magnon. Hence a ferromagnet, as
a target for a "quantum unit of spin" can enormously increase the effect of
magnon release. Also, as a known upper temperature is reache

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[ken deboer]

Very interesting, indeed.  How much water are you using? If everything were
100% efficient, and you were inputting 12 watts/hr = ~40 btu/hr, over 3
hours you would have 120 btu, which theoretically could raise 1 pound of
water 120 F.
Best regards, kend

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Jack Cole  wrote:

> Thanks Jed, glad to do it.
>
> Small update:
>
> 7 am Temp 55F Start
> 9 am Temp 110F
> 10 am  Temp 129F
> 11:20 am Temp 146F
>
> Outside temp started at 55F and was at 57F at 11:20 am.
>
> I'll keep running until the temp levels off.  At that point, I'll work on
> setting up a control cell.  The water has turned brown, so I presume
> something is also happening with the copper (either in the nickels or the
> exposed portion of copper wire attaching to the electrode).
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>> Thanks for doing this!
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Jack Cole]

Thanks Jed, glad to do it.

Small update:

7 am Temp 55F Start
9 am Temp 110F
10 am  Temp 129F
11:20 am Temp 146F

Outside temp started at 55F and was at 57F at 11:20 am.

I'll keep running until the temp levels off.  At that point, I'll work on
setting up a control cell.  The water has turned brown, so I presume
something is also happening with the copper (either in the nickels or the
exposed portion of copper wire attaching to the electrode).



On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Thanks for doing this!
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Image Manipulation in Gale Crater

[Ron Wormus]

Yes, when you make a mosaic the individual images have different scales & 
distortions due to the location & lens characteristics of the camera so 
they don't stitch together perfectly.

Ron
--On Monday, October 01, 2012 10:04 AM -0400 Terry Blanton 
 wrote:



Could this be accidental?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhWCC1xPRF4&feature=player_embedded

Re: [Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Jed Rothwell]

Thanks for doing this!

- Jed

[Vo]:Replication of Chuck Sites Nickel/Boron Experiment

[Jack Cole]

Hi All,

I've been lurking and reading about Chuck's nickel/boron electrolysis
experiments, and decided to try to do a replication.  I had purchased some
thin thoriated tungsten welding electrodes recently to see if I could
replicate some of the effects seen with the Athanor reactor and thought I'd
try to put the two together.

So yesterday, I took 3 nickles and drilled 1/16" holes through them and
attached them to one of the thoriated tungsten electrodes.  I set this up
as the cathode (-) and used another thoriated tungsten electrode without
nickels for the anode.  I ran this all night and did not see any heat
production and the eletrolysis was very slow (gas bubbles seen only rarely).

This morning, I modified the setup.  I took a 1 1/2" piece of a thoriated
tungsten electrode and put the nickels on it and submerged it in the
solution of distilled water and borax.  For the anode, I used a makeshift
electrode that I had made for a previous experiment (nickel shavings
soldered to a piece of solid copper wire).  This change resulted in
vigorous electrolysis.

I am using a 12V DC 1 amp transformer for power.

At 7am when the experiment started, the air temperature was 55 degrees and
the water in my cell was 55 degrees.  At 9 am, air temp was still 55
degrees, and the water temp in the cell was 110 degrees F.

The top of the glass jar is open to the air, so there is significant heat
loss there.  Whether this is LENR or not, I don't know, but is certainly
interesting and different from anything I've seen before with electrolysis.

What I plan to do next is to setup a parallel control cell with all the
same components utilizing table salt / distilled water as the electrolyte
and to compare.

Any thoughts, questions, or ideas on what to try next would be welcome.  If
there is interest, I'll update the group on my progress.

Warm Regards,

Jack

RE: [Vo]:FTL Antenna

[Jones Beene]

SIDE note on FTL in the context of "instant messaging":

One thing that is implied by this antenna patent is that FTL does not
necessarily "reverse time". The idea of time-reversal always gets back to
ontology via a very basic assumption about the nature of time.

In fact FTL - in its most basic incarnation, may only mean that a signal
arrives at about the same time it sent, no matter how far it travelled, and
furthermore that there can NO time reversal because, essentially, there is
no real property of "time". "Time" is merely a mental construct which allows
the human brain to better understand cause-and-effect, for survival. Pavlov
in disguise. 

Strom seems to claim his invention can broadcast a signal - a transmission
of energy, but instead of travelling through normal 3-space, the signal
magically finds a "wormhole" into another dimension... which does not mean
that an antenna receives a messages before it is transmitted, but instead
that there is simply no delay even if the message went to the other end of
the Universe and back. No delay - because time is an illusion which depends
on lightspeed to fool the observer.

That would rescue Strom's deeper problem in a way ... but, in the end, he
went over the line of credibility in saying that this "allows energy from
another dimension to accelerate plant growth." Cough... cough ... WTF?

Unless, of course, he has the data to prove this...


-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene 

Don't know if this patent was brought up simply because of the claim of FTL,
which is always of interest. Or ... if, coincidentally it seems to have
employed a "spin Seebeck" effect, mentioned recently. 

The patent came out 10 years ahead of the discovery of this effect, but that
could mean that it was way ahead of its time. And as we know, there is
little indication that the patent worked as claimed.

Plus - to tell the truth - I am not sure how the patent is supposed to
operate. If anyone thinks they have a firm handle on its operation - please
elucidate. It does seem to inject a magnetic field into a hot conductor, but
is that the key to operation?

-Original Message-
From: Craig Haynie 

" The present invention has discovered the apparent existence of a new
dimension capable of acting as a medium for RE signals. Initial benefits
of penetrating this new dimension include sending RF signals faster than
the speed of light, extending the effective distance of RF transmitters
at the same power radiated, penetrating known RF shielding devices, and
accelerating plant growth exposed to the by-product energy of the RF
transmissions."

*http://tinyurl.com/8htrubb

Craig

*



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[Vo]:Image Manipulation in Gale Crater

[Terry Blanton]

Could this be accidental?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhWCC1xPRF4&feature=player_embedded

RE: [Vo]:FTL Antenna

[Jones Beene]

Don't know if this patent was brought up simply because of the claim of FTL,
which is always of interest. Or ... if, coincidentally it seems to have
employ a "spin Seebeck" effect, mentioned recently. 

The patent came out 10 years ahead of the discovery of this effect, but that
could mean that it was way ahead of its time. And as we know, there is
little indication that the patent worked as claimed.

Plus - to tell the truth - I am not sure how the patent is supposed to
operate. If anyone thinks they have a firm handle on its operation - please
elucidate. It does seem to inject a magnetic field into a hot conductor, but
is that the key to operation?



-Original Message-
From: Craig Haynie 

" The present invention has discovered the apparent existence of a new
dimension capable of acting as a medium for RE signals. Initial benefits
of penetrating this new dimension include sending RF signals faster than
the speed of light, extending the effective distance of RF transmitters
at the same power radiated, penetrating known RF shielding devices, and
accelerating plant growth exposed to the by-product energy of the RF
transmissions."

*http://tinyurl.com/8htrubb

Craig

*

Re: [Vo]:FTL Antenna

[Terry Blanton]

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Craig Haynie  wrote:
> " The present invention has discovered the apparent existence of a new
> dimension capable of acting as a medium for RE signals. Initial benefits
> of penetrating this new dimension include sending RF signals faster than
> the speed of light, extending the effective distance of RF transmitters
> at the same power radiated, penetrating known RF shielding devices, and
> accelerating plant growth exposed to the by-product energy of the RF
> transmissions."
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/8htrubb

With images:

http://www.google.com/patents/US6025810

[Vo]:FTL Antenna

[Craig Haynie]

" The present invention has discovered the apparent existence of a new
dimension capable of acting as a medium for RE signals. Initial benefits
of penetrating this new dimension include sending RF signals faster than
the speed of light, extending the effective distance of RF transmitters
at the same power radiated, penetrating known RF shielding devices, and
accelerating plant growth exposed to the by-product energy of the RF
transmissions."

*http://tinyurl.com/8htrubb

Craig

*

Re: [Vo]:Magnons, excess heat and ferromagnetism

[Teslaalset]

So, is this what Steorn now is exploiting??
They mention COP of 5 using magnetic impulse technology to produce heat.


On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Ron Kita  wrote:

> Kudos...Jones.
>
> I am a Magnon "Believer",
>
> Respectfully,
> Ron Kita
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> In 2008, research in spintronics focused onto with what is being called a
>> spin Seebeck effect. The effect is seen when heat is applied to a
>> magnetized
>> metal and it may operate with other inherent phase changes to produce
>> novel
>> thermal-magnetic effects. The key concept is the magnon.
>>
>> Unlike ordinary electron movement, the spin Seebeck effect does not create
>> heat as a waste product, so that a Curie point can be maintained in a
>> see-saw fashion, along with other inputs.
>>
>> Interesting new paper touching on the spin Seebeck effect and the magnon
>> connection. It is not exactly on point for Ni-H, but there are clues; and
>> the references at the end are worth the download.
>>
>> http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1209/1209.3405.pdf
>>
>> Imagine the magnon as the quantum force carrier of spin, in the same way
>> as
>> the photon is the quantum of light. Admittedly, this analogy quickly
>> breaks
>> down in the details since the magnon is a quasiparticle; but for
>> understanding the major point about the transfer of spin energy from one
>> nucleus to another, there is more. Photons can illuminate a photocell and
>> produce electricity, in the sense of forcing electrons into a vector, and
>> correspondingly, magnons can irradiate a ferromagnetic material to produce
>> heat to the extent that they alternate polarity rapidly by spin reversals.
>> Reversals happen repeatedly near the Curie point.
>>
>> When a magnetic field reverses its orientation, electric dipoles of atoms
>> shift orientation - and as a result thermal energy is deposited. Even the
>> core of a small wall-transformer, when charging your cell phone with a few
>> watts, gets rather hot from dipole reversal. In general the higher the
>> frequency of dipole reversal - the more heat is deposited and it is
>> exponential. 50 or 60 Hertz gives moderate core heating, but RF gives so
>> much heat that it is the preferred method of rapidly heating some metals
>> without direct electrical current (Ohmic heat). UV is thousands of times
>> more robust than RF. Hydrogen is a prime UV emitter.
>>
>> This could be the best way to understand how thermal gain in Ni-H or Co-H
>> operates - via magnon emission from protons (following reversible proton
>> fusion). Magnon emission can decay with no heat transfer unless collected
>> in
>> an absorber of magnons, preferably one that magnifies the effect in the
>> same
>> general way that iron magnifies field reversals in a typical transformer.
>>
>> In a normal paramagnetic metal like palladium, dipoles move independently
>> from each other but they tend to orient in a magnetic field so as to
>> increase the field strength, to the extent of their magnetic
>> susceptibility.
>> Magnetic susceptibility ("magnetizability" is a term that could be used)
>> is
>> a dimensionless proportionality constant. Hydrogen in pure palladium does
>> not produce much excess heat, and this means it can be used as a "control"
>> for proving deuterium gain. The difference in susceptibility between
>> paramagnets and ferromagnets varies, but as a ratio of the magnification
>> effect of 40,000:1 would be a fair approximation for why nickel works to
>> capture magnons effectively, and palladium doesn't.
>>
>> Thusly, when hydrogen is loaded into a ferromagnetic material like nickel
>> or
>> cobalt, it can produce excess heating in those matrices, under conditions
>> which in palladium produce nothing. This should tell the keen observer
>> that
>> there is a fundamental difference between Ni-H and Pd-D systems in the way
>> gain materializes. The two are almost unrelated in terms of modus
>> operandi,
>> other than being isotopes of the same element
>>
>> In ferromagnetics, dipoles orient so as to increase the field, but those
>> dipoles are not independent from each other as in paramagnets. They are
>> self-sensitive. If dipoles are initially oriented at random, all adjacent
>> dipoles will preferentially orient parallel to any change, with the
>> slightest inducement. This magnifies the effect by the large factor
>> mentioned above.
>>
>> When a mass of ferromagnetic material is brought near a source of randomly
>> emitted magnons, almost all the dipoles in the ferromagnet will orient in
>> the direction of the instant field of every magnon. Hence a ferromagnet,
>> as
>> a target for a "quantum unit of spin" can enormously increase the effect
>> of
>> magnon release. Also, as a known upper temperature is reached, the Curie
>> point, the ferromagnet will become an ordinary paramagnet. That permits
>> another way to vary the orientation of dipoles.
>>
>> The interesting thing for understanding "new hydrogen" th