Re: [Vo]: Atomic Collapse observed
Is there any evidence which suggests this phenomenon is responsible for LENR? It looks intriguing, but I'm not aware of how this would effect any current theories. On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: > Predicted "Atomic Collapse" phenomenon observed: > > > http://www.rdmag.com/news/2013/03/long-predicted-atomic-collapse-state-observed-graphene > >
[Vo]:heat energy and inertia: does the conversion work in both directions?
Einstein was able to derives the mass-energy equivalency E=mc^2 (without special relativity!) by imagining a thought experiment described by Max Born here: http://web.ncf.ca/eo200/derivation.html Einstein concludes heat energy E must increase inertial mass by the amount m = E/c^2, or else the apparatus would be able to self-accelerate, i.e. accelerate without an external force in violation of Newtonian mechanics. However, has it ever been confirmed experimentally that the inertia of a body varies inceases with its heat content? Suppose it is not true. While there is abundant evidence that mass can be converted into heat energy, it is not clear, from an experimental standpoint that increasing the heat content of a body necessarily increases the mass of a body. This has some bearing on heat produced during a "cold fusion" phenomena. Instead of seeing the heat as coming from the classic conversion of mass into energy, perhaps the heat comes from the self-acceleration of particular atomic arrangements which functionally resemble the apparatus described at the above link. Harry
Re: [Vo]:"Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices"
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: With the smart meter, I get a price break now, for not using power during > peak summer hours. > My power consumption is always well below the energy efficient household average in the occasional power consumption reports that PG&E mail out and "great." But my power bill is perhaps 150 percent of what it was before the smart meters were installed. I suspect PG&E are having a very good year. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Meteoriods, Life and Death
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Rick Monteverde wrote: > Duh, think you > missed the point, bud? Indeed. Skeptics, bah!
RE: [Vo]:Meteoriods, Life and Death
Further work addresses some of the legitimate challenges in the Bad Astronomy article. The fragments have since been mass spec'd and are in fact from a fresh meteor fall, and the fossil forms are both embedded and not indigenous to the fall area. Bottom line to this story is that this is probably one of those unusual events/discoveries that will require some "extraordinary evidence" to be widely accepted, something like a comet drill/sample mission, or a fresh meteor fall where provenance of the samples is impeccable, with overwhelming evidence inside the samples. Some of the complaints in the BA blog were pretty poorly thought out. I thought the worst was when the author explains that he essentially respects panspermia and understands it, then goes on to say that any fallen life forms should be *very different* than the ones already here. Duh, think you missed the point, bud? - R. From: James Bowery [mailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:54 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Meteoriods, Life and Death Maybe not? http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/01/15/life_in_a_meteorite_clai ms_by_n_c_wickramasinghe_of_diatoms_in_a_meteorite.html On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: Death to the dinosaurs. But bringers of life on earth? Panspermia? http://www.technologyreview.com/view/512381/astrobiologists-find-ancient-fos sils-in-fireball-fragments/
Re: [Vo]: Graham Hubler named director of SKINR
> I also found what projects are running at SKINR > http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/tours.php#SKINR > > > Some of these projects do not seem to have much to do with cold fusion. > - Jed The diamond neutron detector is interesting ... good sensitivity, and can be placed near the source. eg http://www.npl.co.uk/upload/pdf/091104_nuc_galbiati.pdf
Re: [Vo]:"Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices"
They have a "super-off-peak" rate for charging plug-in electric vehicles: http://www.georgiapower.com/environment/electric-vehicles/what-rate-plan-is-best-for-you.cshtml It looks like the full daytime rate is 24 cents/kWh and the super-off-peak rate is 4 cents/kWh.The super-off-peak is from 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. This is the kind of thing you can do with smart meters. This is not quite as flexible as giving the power company the ability to remotely turn off the vehicle charger, but I'll bet it is functionally about the same. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:"Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices"
I wrote: > With the smart meter, I get a price break now, for not using power during > peak summer hours. > I mean it is optional. You sign up for these rates if you think you can keep your daytime use low: http://www.georgiapower.com/pricing/residential/nights-and-weekends.cshtml - Jed
Re: [Vo]:"Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices"
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > wrote: > >> >> Yes, I know, but my way is better. It's completely automatic. > > > Kind of problematic though. What if the voltage does not drop in my locale > but the power company wants to reduce power anyway? True, the voltage only drops when the system saturates. Does not happen here in Georgia. We supply Florida. :-)
Re: [Vo]:"Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices"
wrote: > Yes, I know, but my way is better. It's completely automatic. Kind of problematic though. What if the voltage does not drop in my locale but the power company wants to reduce power anyway? It's comparable to > a free market compared to centralized control in a communist system. > Besides who wants a centralized authority turning off the power that is > charging > their car? A bit too much room for abuse IMO. > I can't imagine what kind of abuse there could be. Anyway, if they want to give me a reduced rate in return for this, I would be pleased. When corporations and factories give the power company remote access to turn down their equipment, they get a price break. With the smart meter, I get a price break now, for not using power during peak summer hours. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:"Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices"
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 13 Mar 2013 17:18:50 -0400: Hi, [snip] > wrote: > > >> More widespread use of electric cars could make a difference here. They >> could >> have a built in voltage sensor that allowed them to automatically charge >> when >> the grid voltage rose above a certain level . . . > > >They may not need that. I have heard that internet connected power supplies >can be turned on and off remotely to accomplish this. They are already in >use in some places, to remotely reduce loads such as large air conditioners >during peak hours. Yes, I know, but my way is better. It's completely automatic. It's comparable to a free market compared to centralized control in a communist system. Besides who wants a centralized authority turning off the power that is charging their car? A bit too much room for abuse IMO. Most cars spend 90% or more of their time parked, so they have lots of opportunity to act as a reserve storage system. > >Georgia Power installed a smart meter at our house that charges different >amounts at different times of day. It transmits data by radio. See: > >http://www.georgiapower.com/residential/products-programs/smart-meter/ Yes, possibly soon coming to my neighborhood too. I wrote to IBM telling them how to do away with the radio transmitters, which some people object to, but I suspect my email ended up in the "round archive". Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:"Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices"
wrote: > More widespread use of electric cars could make a difference here. They > could > have a built in voltage sensor that allowed them to automatically charge > when > the grid voltage rose above a certain level . . . They may not need that. I have heard that internet connected power supplies can be turned on and off remotely to accomplish this. They are already in use in some places, to remotely reduce loads such as large air conditioners during peak hours. Georgia Power installed a smart meter at our house that charges different amounts at different times of day. It transmits data by radio. See: http://www.georgiapower.com/residential/products-programs/smart-meter/ - Jed
Re: [Vo]:"Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices"
On Mar 13, 2013, at 10:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > It is a shame that wind seems to be hurting nuclear power more than it is > hurting coal. > Yes this is the real reason, why Germany is getting rid of Nuclear by 2022. As nuclear power is unadjustable, it leads into oversupply of electricity when solar and wind conditions are both favorable and demand for electricity is low. It is quite common misunderstanding that Greenpeace would be the reason why Germany is getting rid of nukes, but if you think even two seconds it, you realize that there must be economic reasons why Germany is getting rid of nukes. There is just no room for idealism at energy markets, because it is about big money! When the second unsubsidized solar boom starts in Europe, especially France will be in problems with its high share of unadjustable nuclear. Latest price update from Australia is that 5 kW roof-top solar with 10 kWh battery storage cost just around $130 per MWh. This is significantly cheaper than grid electricity for households in Australia. Solar panels should get cheaper around 30 % and batteries 8 % in 2013. In 2012 module price of solar fell 50 %. —Jouni
Re: [Vo]:"Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices"
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:37:12 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Thus, even when there is no demand for the power they produce, operators >keep turbines spinning, sending their surplus to the grid because the tax >credit assures them a profit. > >On gusty days in the five states with the most wind power Texas, >California, Iowa, Illinois and Oregon -- this can flood power grids, >causing prices to drop below zero during times when demand is light. >Wholesale electricity during off-peak hours in Illinois has sold for an >average price of $23.39 per megawatt hour since Jan. 1, after hitting a >record low of -$41.08 on Oct. 11, the least since the Midwest Independent >Transmission System Operator Inc. began sharing real-time pricing in 2005. More widespread use of electric cars could make a difference here. They could have a built in voltage sensor that allowed them to automatically charge when the grid voltage rose above a certain level (which tends to happen when there is more supply than demand). Of course, they would also have to be programmed to ensure that they were recharged by a settable future time, regardless. However being able to recharge whenever there is a surplus in supply would decrease the demand for recharging power when there wasn't a surplus. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:"Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices"
See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/03/nuclear-industry-withers-in-u-s-as-wind-pummels-prices I did not realize there is such a thing as a negative cost per megawatt (a penalty) when there is too much power available. It is a shame that wind seems to be hurting nuclear power more than it is hurting coal. Interesting quotes: The [2012 capacity] surge added a record 13,124 megawatts of wind turbines to the nation’s power grid, up 28 percent from 2011. The new wind farms increased financial pressure on traditional generators such as Dominion Resources Inc. and Exelon Corp. in their operating regions. That’s because wind energy undercut power prices already driven to 10-year-lows by an abundance of natural gas. “Right now, natural gas and wind power are more economic than nuclear power in the Midwestern electricity market,” Howard Learner, executive director of the Environmental Law and Policy Center, a Chicago-based advocate of cleaner energy, said in a phone interview. “It’s a matter of economic competitiveness.” Wind-generated electricity supplied about 3.4 percent of U.S. demand in 2012 and the share is projected to jump to 4.2 percent in 2014, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. . . . Wind power has two advantages. Green energy laws in many states require utilities to buy wind energy under long-term contracts as part of their clean-energy goals and take that power even when they don’t need it. Wind farms also receive a federal tax credit of $22 for every megawatt-hour generated. Thus, even when there is no demand for the power they produce, operators keep turbines spinning, sending their surplus to the grid because the tax credit assures them a profit. On gusty days in the five states with the most wind power — Texas, California, Iowa, Illinois and Oregon -- this can flood power grids, causing prices to drop below zero during times when demand is light. Wholesale electricity during off-peak hours in Illinois has sold for an average price of $23.39 per megawatt hour since Jan. 1, after hitting a record low of -$41.08 on Oct. 11, the least since the Midwest Independent Transmission System Operator Inc. began sharing real-time pricing in 2005. . . . U.S. wind installations have risen 10-fold since 2003 to 60,007 megawatts, attracting $120 billion investment that has produced new capacity equivalent to 14 nuclear power plants and enough to power 14.7 million homes, the AWEA, the industry group based in Washington, D.C., said in a Jan. 30 report. Wind’s rapid gains have created headaches for grid operators since winds often blow strongest when homes and businesses use the least amount of power: at night and during the spring and fall seasons . . . “I think this model’s got problems with it,” Patterson said in a phone interview. “There are not many examples where the product you produce actually has negative value.” Before 2006, when wind power began its latest growth spurt, negative prices were extremely rare. The phenomenon is now prevalent in parts of the Midwest, Texas and the West Coast where turbine installations are growing fastest, data compiled by Bloomberg show. “We can’t find enough demand for the amount of energy created by Mother Nature,” said Doug Johnson, spokesman for the Bonneville Power Administration, which manages the grid in the Pacific Northwest. The transmission operator, based in Portland, Oregon, paid wind operators $2.7 million last year to stay off line so it could make room for the power from hydroelectric generators handling the runoff from melting mountain snows. . . . - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19
Our mastery of nature is almost always constrained by the toolkit that we have assembled to look at the details of what we need to understand. Major scientific breakthroughs have always followed the development and common use of new and more powerful tools that can make the area of interest more comprehensible. Calorimetry is just too blunt a tool to fully understand the processes involved in LENR. More and better tolls are needed and the expertise in their use are required penetrating the mysteries that underlie LENR. Drawing on the great lessons from the history of science, The germ theory is now a fundamental tenet of medicine that states that microorganisms, which are too small to be seen without the aid of a microscope, can invade the body and cause certain diseases. Until the acceptance of the germ theory, many people believed that disease was punishment for a person's evil behavior. This belief followed the supposed truths that society and religion taught. When entire populations fell ill, the disease was often blamed on swamp vapors or foul odors from sewage. Even many educated individuals, such as the prominent seventeenth century English physician William Harvey, believed that epidemics were caused by miasmas, poisonous vapors created by planetary movements affecting the Earth, or by disturbances within the Earth itself. The development of the germ theory was made possible by the allied development and widespread use of certain laboratory tools and techniques that permitted the study of bacteria during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. This lesson from history also tells us how a theory is useless until it is widely accepted by the scientific community overall. Just because one person knows the answer, this knowledge is ineffective and does not amount to anything of substance until that knowledge is spread and widely accepted. As an illustrative example of this principle, many people believe that American biologist James Watson and English physicist Francis Crick discovered DNA in the 1950s. In reality, this is not the case. Rather, DNA was first identified in the late 1860s by Swiss chemist Friedrich Miescher. Then, in the decades following Miescher's discovery, other scientists--notably, Phoebus Levene and Erwin Chargaff--carried out a series of research efforts that revealed additional details about the DNA molecule, including its primary chemical components and the ways in which they joined with one another. Without the scientific foundation provided by these pioneers, Watson and Crick may never have reached their groundbreaking conclusion of 1953: that the DNA molecule exists in the form of a three-dimensional double helix. The determination of the details of this structure took the use of just the right cutting edge X-ray crystallography tools by experts well versed in the field to open this door of discovery. Among them were Rosalind Franklin and Maurice Wilkins, who utilized X-ray diffraction to understand the physical structure of the DNA molecule. What these wide ranging meetings to discuss LENR should do is not only to discuss experiments and limited results, but to search for new and improved experimental methods and tools that can be applied to the problem. Looking for excess heat or helium just won’t be effective in getting to the principles that underlie LENR. A survey of all the currently available scientific tools in the toolset of technology and the inspiration and the willingness among the attendees at the conference to find and use them could possibly add immeasurably to the future understanding and success of LENR. Cheers: Axil On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Peter Gluck wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I have just published: > > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/03/a-motto-for-iccf-19.html > > My motivation is that I love and respect the Scientific Method but I know > we will have the possibility to use it only AFTER creating a commercially > successful application of LENR. > > Peter > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > Cluj, Romania > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com >
RE: [Vo]:The Methuselah star
* * *METHUSELAH Stars maybe trans-universe Einstein-Rosen bridge passaged WANDERING Stars* * * *Stars can Einstein-Rosen 'jump' from one Universe through Aexospace/Hyperspace to another 'older' or younger universe. . . hense the 'arrival' of stars 'older' than our home-space-time-normal bubble universe via Einstein-Rosen passage/SPOOKY ACTION @ A DISTANCE through AexoDarkSpace should 'not' be considered particularly 'odd.' Stars are fundamentally 'white-hole-cored' and thus 'tailed' into AexoSpace and so the 'Solar Centre core-eye' is thus an ingress AexoDark Plasmaed Axial-flow circulatingTORUS; SHELLED by the thermo-nuclear fusion shell we normally characterize in stars construction. But the very same 'Casimir' cavity-shell effect that we ascribe to PROTON-singularity-ATOM-electro valent axial flow 'shells' IS functional in stars as SUPER-PROTONS. THUS every 'star/solar white hole' is potentially it's own STARGATE/Einstein-Rosen Bridge portal to ANYWHERE-ANYWHEN and to adjacent and/or maximally-displaced 'other' bubble universe(s). MAYBE SOME stars are 'wandering and/or habitually' TRANSIT STARS for as yet some undefined characteristic more than other merely non-transit stars. . . or maybe this is a routine phase of any-star potentially. OR MAYBE @ the GALACTIC-HUB SUPER SINGULARITY a star can EINSTEIN-STEIN ROSEN bridge 'launched' as it were to 'other' AexoSpacial' coordinates INSTANTLY which could be a VIRTUAL-INFINITY-ETERNITY away whether relatively Backward OR Forward in 'Time.' The virtually instantaneous Spooky Action @ a Distance TRANSIT-INTERVAL of such 'wanderers' would amount to VIRTUAL-NO-DISTANCE/ VIRTUAL-NO-TIME insta-speeds. . . likely BACKWARD & FORWARD in TIME in this case is virtually 'meaningless' as @ AexoSpace Speed-Density hyperfluidic/hypergravionic SUPERSPEEDS 'Time' as it were is NOT OPERATIVE but is ONLY RELEVENT in the much lower-speed-densities(Space Time-Normal Relativity) of bubble universe(s) such as our own. . . Universes are born-bigbanged @ the threshhold-lowered speed-density Einstein-Rosen-eyes of Gyro-Toroidal/AexoSpace Maelstrom-TORUS formation which is a routine and myriad event of AexoDarkSpace fractalating current hyperdynamics within said adjacent-parallel-parent Aexospace/HyperSpace. > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:04:29 -0400 > Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Methuselah star > From: hveeder...@gmail.com > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Harry Veeder > > > >>> Astronomers refined the star's age down to about 14.5 billion years > > (which > >>> is still older than the universe), from the original data showing 16 > > billion > >>> years old. In either event it is way older then the Milky Way - yet there > > it > >>> is - not too far away cosmologically speaking. > > > > I wrote: > >> Indeed, If it is really that old it should be billions of light years > >> away from our own galaxy according > >> to standard cosmology. > > > > Hold on, what am I saying? This is wrong, because a star within our > > galaxy can be older than our galaxy, since stars formed before > > galaxies. So Jones, a star as old as the universe is not a problem for > > standard cosmology. > > > > > > Harry, > > > > Although some stars formed before some galaxies, it is a bit misleading to > > generalize that "stars formed before galaxies" in a local context to the > > degree that one is a subset of the other. And in any event ... IF this star > > formed in another galaxy, as seems likely - then one might ask - where are > > the millions of other stars of that older galaxy? (the one which is older > > than ours, and in which the Methuselah star could have been a part of). > > It is a not a terrible stretch to say that out galaxy merged with an older > > galaxy and this star is the only "known" survivor ... since it is not out of > > the question, if and when we catalog all stars in ours, there may be dozens > > or hundreds of Methuselah's out there that came from that other galaxy. > > > > Where is Heinlein when we need him ...? > > > Jones, accroding to this > > http://www.universetoday.com/21822/age-of-the-milky-way/ > > the age of the milky way is estimated to be 13.4 +/- 0.8 billion years (2004) > > Since the ages of the universe, the milkyway and the Methuselah star > are not known with a great deal of imprecision > many scenarios remain possible. > > Harry >
Re: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19
Paul Breed wrote: I don't think your quite there yet... > > but your getting warmer. > I love it! (But it should be "you're") - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19
I like Ruby's sticker, "Can You Feel the Heat?"
RE: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19
*VonnegutICE-9* Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 10:18:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19 From: p...@rasdoc.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I don't think your quite there yet... but your getting warmer. (ducks and runs)
Re: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19
I don't think your quite there yet... but your getting warmer. (ducks and runs)
Re: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19
And realistic too: The heat is on? I remember what you have asked yesterday. But it will be on, and will be great and good. Peter On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 6:32 PM, DJ Cravens wrote: > Mottos should be short and sweet: > > The heat is on. > > Dennis > > -- > Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:14:36 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19 > From: peter.gl...@gmail.com > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > > > Thank you! > It is still plenty of time to take an informed decision. The Outsiders > will surely help. > Peter > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Peter came up with: > > ”Solving the useful heat source problem.” > > That seems a little presumptuous. Maybe it should be: > > Trying to solve the useful heat source problem. > > Hoping to solve the useful heat source problem. > > Hoping to get some sort of heat, useful or not. > > Wishing we would make some sort of progress in trying to solve even the > useless heat problem. > > - Jed > > > > > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > Cluj, Romania > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19
Mottos should be short and sweet: The heat is on. Dennis Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:14:36 +0200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19 From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Thank you!It is still plenty of time to take an informed decision. The Outsiders will surely help.Peter On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Peter came up with: ”Solving the useful heat source problem.” That seems a little presumptuous. Maybe it should be: Trying to solve the useful heat source problem. Hoping to solve the useful heat source problem. Hoping to get some sort of heat, useful or not. Wishing we would make some sort of progress in trying to solve even the useless heat problem. - Jed -- Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romaniahttp://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19
Thank you! It is still plenty of time to take an informed decision. The Outsiders will surely help. Peter On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Peter came up with: > > ”Solving the useful heat source problem.” > > That seems a little presumptuous. Maybe it should be: > > Trying to solve the useful heat source problem. > > Hoping to solve the useful heat source problem. > > Hoping to get some sort of heat, useful or not. > > Wishing we would make some sort of progress in trying to solve even the > useless heat problem. > > - Jed > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:A Motto for ICCF-19
Peter came up with: ”Solving the useful heat source problem.” That seems a little presumptuous. Maybe it should be: Trying to solve the useful heat source problem. Hoping to solve the useful heat source problem. Hoping to get some sort of heat, useful or not. Wishing we would make some sort of progress in trying to solve even the useless heat problem. - Jed
