Re: [Vo]:The hydrino.is discovered.

2013-10-23 Thread Peter Gluck
Mill's present and future- as creator of a new energy source will be
decided at nd by the CIHT Technology.
see
http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation.pdf

It seems that the essential action- scale up and
intensification is going more slowly than planned.
Let's hope Randy will invent CIHT+  the decisive step toward industrial
success and will go from mW to MW.
Peter


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

>
> http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/new-type-of-quantum-excitation-behaves-like-a-solitary-particle/
>
>
> New type of quantum excitation behaves like a solitary particle, a real
> particle.
>
> They call it a  "leviton", we know this fractional charged soliton as a
> hydrino.
>
> What does Mills do now?
>



-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


[Vo]:The hydrino.is discovered.

2013-10-23 Thread Axil Axil
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/new-type-of-quantum-excitation-behaves-like-a-solitary-particle/


New type of quantum excitation behaves like a solitary particle, a real
particle.

They call it a  "leviton", we know this fractional charged soliton as a
hydrino.

What does Mills do now?


RE: [Vo]:A new theory of electromagnetism is in the works.

2013-10-23 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Thx Fran!

 

RE: “Ether never really left but nice to see it returning to center stage.”

 

It never left in reality, but it most certainly did as far as mainstream
physics is, or was, concerned…

 

RE: HUP…

HUP is only a result of having to measure the weight of one of those angels
on the head of the pin, with an 18-wheeler truck scale…

 

Really miss being able to contribute to the Collective’s discussions on a
regular basis, but I do keep tabs on the streaming consciousnesses… 

 

Hope all is well on your side of the planet!

-mark

 

From: Frank roarty [mailto:fr...@roarty.biz] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 5:42 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:A new theory of electromagnetism is in the works.

 

Mark,

Nicely said! Ether never really left but nice to see it returning to center
stage. Changes in this ether / vacuum density due to nano geometry can
however polarize - segregate larger pockets of altered vacuum pressure
encompassing entire atoms and molecules –and when these atoms or molecules
happen to be of gas that is still being pushed around by vacuum fluctuations
at the HUP level the stage is set for exploiting gas motion to propel them
through DCE. IMHO a self assembled HUP trap capable of discounting
disassociation and producing thermal energy.

Fran

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:49 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:A new theory of electromagnetism is in the works.

 

Like I’ve been saying for years, coherent, dipole-like oscillations of an
isolated volume of the vacuum…

 

“"If you take a snapshot of the position of electrons in a FQH state they
appear random and you think you have a liquid," says Wen. 

 

Makes perfect sense if the ‘snapshot’ (by a really, really fast
‘strobe-light’) is not occurring at the same frequency as the oscillation
you’re trying to observe; which is most assuredly the case here.  It could
also be strobing at a multiple, or sub-harmonic of that frequency.  ‘Sub’,
is what will happen first since we are getting close with attosecond
physics.

 

"But if you follow the motion of the electrons, you see that, unlike in a
liquid, the electrons dance around each other in a well organized manner and
form a global dancing pattern."

 

If you are able to adjust the frequency AND phase of the strobe-light, then
you could easily follow the motion, and you’d see that it’s motion was not
random at all…  Electric and/or magnetic fields oriented properly would also
restrict that oscillation to a limited area.

 

"What if electrons were not elementary, but were the ends of long strings in
a string-net liquid which becomes our space?"

 

The electron and the electron-hole are opposite ends of a dipole-like
oscillation!!!  If you take a dipole, and pivot it at its center, free to
rotate on all three axes, it will APPEAR to be an ‘orbital’ (at least the
innermost one).   When you add additional dipole-oscillations (aka,
electrons) to an atom, they restrict each other’s motion and we get the
familiar orbital shapes.  These guys just have to explain it using a
framework that they know best, which is string theory… 

 

“Normally, electrons prefer to have their spins to be in the opposite
direction to that of their immediate neighbors,”

 

Like, DUH  Because the like-ends of the dipole will repel each other, so
only complementary (180degs out of phase) oscillations will ‘pair up’.   So
they prefer this state, but in a solid it’s not the norm; however, in a gas,
they are pretty much free from neighbor interactions.  This is also a simple
*realistic* explanation for how two valence alectrons ‘pair-up’ to form
Cooper Pairs… ya know, VIOLATING one of the tenets of physics which is like
charges repel.  Oh, but we’ll make an exception and just give it a new
name...

 

“So in their theory elementary particles are not the fundamental building
blocks of matter. Instead, they emerge as defects or ‘whirlpools’ in the
deeper organized structure of space-time.”

 

Like I’ve been saying for years, coherent, dipole-like oscillations of an
isolated volume of the vacuum…

Ok, not exactly the same wording as mine, but they’ll come around…

;-)

 

“Wen and Levin found that, in a state of string-net liquid, the motion of
string-nets correspond to a wave that behaved according to a very famous set
of equations -- Maxwell's equations!  A hundred and fifty years after
Maxwell wrote them down, ether -- a medium that produces those equations --
was finally found." says Wen.”

 

Behold the rebirth of aether physics…

 

-Mark Iverson

 

From: Rich Murray [mailto:rmfor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Rich Murray; Joshua Cude
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A new theory of electromagnetism is in the works.

 

http://dao.mit.edu/~wen/NSart-wen.html

 

New Scientist published an article about string-net theory and unification
of light and electrons. The following is my mod

Re: [Vo]:2014 History of Cold Fusion Calendar Available Now!

2013-10-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Ruby  wrote:

cold fusion, LENR, LANR, AHE, quantum fusion, and HENI.
>

Maybe CFLLAQFH?

Eric


Re: [Vo]:House of cards - the "big bang" model...

2013-10-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

A galaxy red-shifted to appear 30 billion years old is "really" much younger
> when you apply the funky logic of "inflation" Kinda sounds like voodoo
> economics to me.
>

Another variable in the abstract subject to creative bookeeping -- seems
the rate of star formation was 100 times greater in the galaxies surveyed
than that of the Milky Way.

Personally, I do not mind a little creative accounting in astronomy if it
prevents our understanding from falling completely apart.  It is in
business that cooking the books really bothers me.

Eric


Re: [Vo]:Elforsk publish a "perspective" mini magazine, with E-cat among the stars

2013-10-23 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

If they had something like a commercial prototype years ago, suitable for
> testing, why are they still working with this crude gadget?
>

I recall seeing a link to slides somewhere on this list with advice to
people giving demos -- something to the effect that you should demo an
earlier model rather than your latest one.

Eric


Re: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable

2013-10-23 Thread mixent
In reply to  David Roberson's message of Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:24:57 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
>
>That would certainly explain the mystery.  I have read some of the thoughts 
>about the lack of interaction, but others studies suggest that they do.  I 
>recall some of the coding tricks that have been tested that prevent 
>interception of messages without detection of the tap.  These techniques 
>appear valid.

They are valid. But you don't need interaction to make them valid. When
entangled particles are created they have perfectly correlated properties (i.e.
they are "strongly" correlated). When a tap occurs, the properties of one of the
pair will be altered, so it will no longer correlate with the other, and the tap
will be detected.

(As soon as you detect an error in my logic, please let me know! :)
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:Elforsk publish a "perspective" mini magazine, with E-cat among the stars

2013-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
By the way, there is NOTHING wrong with a crude prototype device. See the
first transistor:

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/talk/transistor.gif

An early Diesel engine, probably better than the prototype that exploded:

http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/features/0912dp_rudolph_diesel/25492076/0912dp_02%2Brudolph_diesel%2Bsingle_cylinder_diesel_engine.jpg

See any airplane made before 1912, especially the improbable ones such as
this, designed by Alexander Graham Bell:

http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/up%20to%20WW%201/images/3a.jpg

Not one of his better efforts.

We don't need practical devices at this stage. We need working devices that
can be tested. No one should care whether a device is practical or not. If
we can persuade the public this is real, billions of dollars will be spent
converting today's crude prototypes into practical devices.

- Jed


[Vo]:Dispute between Nature and Britannica over Wikipedia

2013-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Okay, this is "inside baseball," meaning it is only of interest only to
aficionados but . . .

Years ago the journal Nature claimed that Wikipedia is nearly as reliable
as Britannica. This article calls that finding into question:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/23/britannica_wikipedia_nature_study/

I do not know how reliable this article is. The article says that the staff
at Britannica objected to the Nature article. Quote:


"'Almost everything about the journal's investigation, from the criteria
for identifying inaccuracies to the discrepancy between the article text
and its headline, was wrong and misleading,' says Britannica.

'Dozens of inaccuracies attributed to the Britannica were not inaccuracies
at all, and a number of the articles Nature examined were not even in the
Encyclopedia Britannica. The study was so poorly carried out and its
findings so error-laden that it was completely without merit.'

In one case, for example. Nature's peer reviewer was sent only the 350 word
introduction to a 6,000 word Britannica article on lipids - which was
criticized for containing omissions."


. . . This sounds like the same Nature we know and love. See, for example,
my paper: "How Nature refused to re-examine the 1989 CalTech experiment."

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJhownaturer.pdf

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Elforsk publish a "perspective" mini magazine, with E-cat among the stars

2013-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda  wrote:

I agree that Elforsk and all evidence we have don't eliminate the risk that
> E-cat does not work well... that it is unstable, unreliable, or have
> problems...
>

Yes. On the contrary, the ELFORSK paper shows that it is unstable. It
melted!

The Hotcat version is clearly not ready for commercial use. I do not know
whether the low temperature versions are ready. Frankly, I doubt they are.
I do not think any cold fusion device should be allowed on the market until
production line models have been subjected to millions of hours of testing
in hundreds of different labs and places like Underwriter's Laboratory.

We do not allow automobiles to be sold until they have been crash tested.
Those tests cost many millions of dollars for each model. It is a small
price to pay for automobile safety.

The notion that cold fusion devices can be sold to corporations or
individuals now, in this primitive state of development, is a reflection of
the amateur status of the research. If Rossi and the people at Defkalion
seriously believe they might start sales in a year or two, even before they
crank out a few thousand devices to be safety tested, they are either
naive, ignorant of safety standards, or they are trying to sell investors a
bill of goods.

Defkalion used to claim their devices were being safety tested by the Greek
government. I didn't believe it then, and I sure don't believe it now,
having seen their demonstration. Who on earth would test that for safety!?
We can't even be sure it is working, given the problems measuring the flow
rate. It is a crude, laboratory prototype. If they had something like a
commercial prototype years ago, suitable for testing, why are they still
working with this crude gadget? I will grant it is no more crude or
unreliable than any other cold fusion device, but no government agency
would subject it to consumer product safety testing. That's absurd.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable

2013-10-23 Thread David Roberson

That would certainly explain the mystery.  I have read some of the thoughts 
about the lack of interaction, but others studies suggest that they do.  I 
recall some of the coding tricks that have been tested that prevent 
interception of messages without detection of the tap.  These techniques appear 
valid.  And then, there have been experiments reported where entanglements are 
transferred between distantly located particles which would seem to be 
impossible unless valid throughout the entire system.

This entire subject is bazaar and leads to strange behavior.  But then again, 
gravity is a tad bit strange as well.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: mixent 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:12 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable


In reply to  David Roberson's message of Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:04:58 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
>As I have mentioned before, the speed at which entangled particles interact 
appears to be infinite and not limited by electromagnetic rules.
>
>If entangled particles have no speed limit, why should gravitational 
interaction be restricted?  We need a firm measurement to untangle this mess. :)
>
>Dave
Entangled particles only appear to have an infinite speed limit because it is
assumed that they interact. They don't. The only interaction occurs at the
moment of their creation. This explanation completely does away with the
mystery. (Perhaps the reason that no one likes it? ;)

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html


 


Re: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable

2013-10-23 Thread ChemE Stewart
If you read M theory they believe gravity may "leak" from one dimension to
another as closed oscillating strings.  This is why I believe our solar
brane is leaking energetic strings in our solar wind and we interpret them
as weather disturbances as they decay overhead and around us in jet streams
and low pressure troughs in our atmosphere.

On Wednesday, October 23, 2013, Craig wrote:

> On 10/23/2013 05:04 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> > Is there any evidence that gravitational waves travel at the speed of
> > light?  As far as I know, that velocity is merely assumed by
> > Einstein.  This may not be true since there are no measurements of the
> > components of gravity such as magnetic and electric fields which
> > define the speed of electromagnetic radiation.  As I have mentioned
> > before, the speed at which entangled particles interact appears to be
> > infinite and not limited by electromagnetic rules.
> >
> > If entangled particles have no speed limit, why should
> > gravitational interaction be restricted?  We need a firm measurement
> > to untangle this mess. :)
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
> I saw a study done a couple of years ago, and I don't remember the
> procedure, but they concluded that gravity travels at the speed of
> light, with a margin of error of plus or minus 50%.
>
> Craig
>
>


Re: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable

2013-10-23 Thread David Roberson

I would like to see how this measurement was performed.  Does anyone else 
recall the source?  

Dave


-Original Message-
From: Craig 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable


On 10/23/2013 05:04 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> Is there any evidence that gravitational waves travel at the speed of
> light?  As far as I know, that velocity is merely assumed by
> Einstein.  This may not be true since there are no measurements of the
> components of gravity such as magnetic and electric fields which
> define the speed of electromagnetic radiation.  As I have mentioned
> before, the speed at which entangled particles interact appears to be
> infinite and not limited by electromagnetic rules.
>  
> If entangled particles have no speed limit, why should
> gravitational interaction be restricted?  We need a firm measurement
> to untangle this mess. :)
>  
> Dave
>

I saw a study done a couple of years ago, and I don't remember the
procedure, but they concluded that gravity travels at the speed of
light, with a margin of error of plus or minus 50%.

Craig


 


Re: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable

2013-10-23 Thread mixent
In reply to  David Roberson's message of Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:04:58 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
>As I have mentioned before, the speed at which entangled particles interact 
>appears to be infinite and not limited by electromagnetic rules.
>
>If entangled particles have no speed limit, why should gravitational 
>interaction be restricted?  We need a firm measurement to untangle this mess. 
>:)
>
>Dave
Entangled particles only appear to have an infinite speed limit because it is
assumed that they interact. They don't. The only interaction occurs at the
moment of their creation. This explanation completely does away with the
mystery. (Perhaps the reason that no one likes it? ;)

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable

2013-10-23 Thread Craig
On 10/23/2013 05:04 PM, David Roberson wrote:
> Is there any evidence that gravitational waves travel at the speed of
> light?  As far as I know, that velocity is merely assumed by
> Einstein.  This may not be true since there are no measurements of the
> components of gravity such as magnetic and electric fields which
> define the speed of electromagnetic radiation.  As I have mentioned
> before, the speed at which entangled particles interact appears to be
> infinite and not limited by electromagnetic rules.
>  
> If entangled particles have no speed limit, why should
> gravitational interaction be restricted?  We need a firm measurement
> to untangle this mess. :)
>  
> Dave
>

I saw a study done a couple of years ago, and I don't remember the
procedure, but they concluded that gravity travels at the speed of
light, with a margin of error of plus or minus 50%.

Craig



Re: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable

2013-10-23 Thread David Roberson

Is there any evidence that gravitational waves travel at the speed of light?  
As far as I know, that velocity is merely assumed by Einstein.  This may not be 
true since there are no measurements of the components of gravity such as 
magnetic and electric fields which define the speed of electromagnetic 
radiation.  As I have mentioned before, the speed at which entangled particles 
interact appears to be infinite and not limited by electromagnetic rules.

If entangled particles have no speed limit, why should gravitational 
interaction be restricted?  We need a firm measurement to untangle this mess. :)

Dave


-Original Message-
From: Hamdi Ucar 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 3:57 pm
Subject: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable


  
"How Did Supermassive Black Holes Grow So Big?"

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131023090952.htm

Gravitational waves are never found, even there is no
encouraging clue. GW possibly does not exist becuase c is not alimit.

It is a comedy to give the 'upper limit' argument of non
existing GW in BH (non)observations.

Of course:  Absence of evidanceis not evidence of absence.






Re: [Vo]:Elforsk publish a "perspective" mini magazine, with E-cat among the stars

2013-10-23 Thread Alain Sepeda
I agree that Elforsk and all evidence we have don't eliminate the risk that
E-cat does not work well... that it is unstable, unreliable, or have
problems...

what this article rules out is that e-cat does not exist, is not working at
all, is a fraud...

of course some will try to stick on their position taht it is a fraud,
because if it is not a fraud, it mean that LENr is real, and that the
physicists claims in 89 were absurds, and all the others claims who
parroted the initial ones, were absurds parroting with less and less
 excuse with time passing.

in fact this "less and less excuse" explain the desperate delusion... they
are like the last square of soldiers who know that they will die in the
battle, because they will have too many opponents blood on their hand.

denying LENr today is pff...

you can be prudent, careful, expert murphism, denounce exaggerations... but
denying all is denialism.


2013/10/23 Jed Rothwell 

> Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:
>
>  Impressive.   Looks like Elforsk has decided that the May report has
>> some merit.
>>
>
> As noted they already said that in the previous press release: "The
> measurements show that the catalyst gives substantially more energy than
> can be explained by ordinary chemical reactions." I doubt they would have
> approved the Levi paper acknowledgement for publication if they did not
> think it has merit. (I mean they would have asked Levi et al. to remove
> their name from the paper.) Organizations such as ELFORSK and EPRI are
> careful about what they endorse.
>
>
>
>> This is definitely an event which increases the probability of what Rossi
>> is doing will work.
>>
>
> You mean this increases your confidence that what Rossi is doing will
> work. The actual likelihood that it will work depends on physics, and on
> Rossi's skill.
>
>  I agree this boosts Rossi's credibility. The actual EFORSK report was a
> bigger boost, but this helps. I look forward to the overview in this
> month's edition of the "Perspectives." This is good for cold fusion.
>
> - Jed
>
>


[Vo]:2014 History of Cold Fusion Calendar Available Now!

2013-10-23 Thread Ruby
Greetings, For a second year, I have made a calendar that showcases the 
incredible achievements in the field of cold fusion, LENR, LANR, AHE, 
quantum fusion, and HENI.


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--
Ruby Carat
r...@coldfusionnow.org
Skype ruby-carat
www.coldfusionnow.org




Re: [Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable

2013-10-23 Thread ChemE Stewart
I found the "cosmic" strings and gravity waves last year, they are looking
in the wrong place :)...

http://darkmattersalot.com/2013/07/21/just-for-the-hell-of-it-now-that-i-have-your-attention-i-am-going-to-repeat-myself/

Stewart
Darkmattersalot.com


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Hamdi Ucar  wrote:

>  "How Did Supermassive Black Holes Grow So Big?"
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131023090952.htm
>
> Gravitational waves are never found, even there is no encouraging clue. GW
> possibly does not exist becuase c is not a limit.
>
> It is a comedy to give the 'upper limit' argument of non existing GW in BH
> (non)observations.
>
> Of course:  Absence of evidance is not evidence of absence.
>
>
>


[Vo]:How is the mainstream science misarable

2013-10-23 Thread Hamdi Ucar

"How Did Supermassive Black Holes Grow So Big?"

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131023090952.htm

Gravitational waves are never found, even there is no encouraging clue. 
GW possibly does not exist becuase c is not a limit.


It is a comedy to give the 'upper limit' argument of non existing GW in 
BH (non)observations.


Of course:  Absence of evidance is not evidence of absence.




Re: [Vo]:House of cards - the "big bang" model...

2013-10-23 Thread David Roberson

I agree Jones.  It will not surprise me to find that much that is thought to be 
true about science will be overturned with time.  LENR acceptance by the 
physics establishment will become a perfect example.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2013 1:46 pm
Subject: [Vo]:House of cards - the "big bang" model...


How to spin what would otherwise be a major embarrassment

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v502/n7472/full/nature12657.html

A galaxy red-shifted to appear 30 billion years old is "really" much younger
when you apply the funky logic of "inflation" Kinda sounds like voodoo
economics to me.


 


[Vo]:House of cards - the "big bang" model...

2013-10-23 Thread Jones Beene
How to spin what would otherwise be a major embarrassment

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v502/n7472/full/nature12657.html

A galaxy red-shifted to appear 30 billion years old is "really" much younger
when you apply the funky logic of "inflation" Kinda sounds like voodoo
economics to me.

<>

Re: [Vo]:Elforsk publish a "perspective" mini magazine, with E-cat among the stars

2013-10-23 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker  wrote:

Impressive.   Looks like Elforsk has decided that the May report has some
> merit.
>

As noted they already said that in the previous press release: "The
measurements show that the catalyst gives substantially more energy than
can be explained by ordinary chemical reactions." I doubt they would have
approved the Levi paper acknowledgement for publication if they did not
think it has merit. (I mean they would have asked Levi et al. to remove
their name from the paper.) Organizations such as ELFORSK and EPRI are
careful about what they endorse.



> This is definitely an event which increases the probability of what Rossi
> is doing will work.
>

You mean this increases your confidence that what Rossi is doing will work.
The actual likelihood that it will work depends on physics, and on Rossi's
skill.

I agree this boosts Rossi's credibility. The actual EFORSK report was a
bigger boost, but this helps. I look forward to the overview in this
month's edition of the "Perspectives." This is good for cold fusion.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Elforsk publish a "perspective" mini magazine, with E-cat among the stars

2013-10-23 Thread Alain Sepeda
It is a finding from david...he posted it on the forum.
probably from the mouth of the horse... ;-)


2013/10/23 Jed Rothwell 

> Alain:
>
> Thanks for posting this. Do you know where the original Swedish document
> is?
>
> - Jed
>
>


RE: [Vo]:A new theory of electromagnetism is in the works.

2013-10-23 Thread Frank roarty
Mark,

Nicely said! Ether never really left but nice to see it returning to center
stage. Changes in this ether / vacuum density due to nano geometry can
however polarize - segregate larger pockets of altered vacuum pressure
encompassing entire atoms and molecules –and when these atoms or molecules
happen to be of gas that is still being pushed around by vacuum fluctuations
at the HUP level the stage is set for exploiting gas motion to propel them
through DCE. IMHO a self assembled HUP trap capable of discounting
disassociation and producing thermal energy.

Fran

 

From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:49 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:A new theory of electromagnetism is in the works.

 

Like I’ve been saying for years, coherent, dipole-like oscillations of an
isolated volume of the vacuum…

 

“"If you take a snapshot of the position of electrons in a FQH state they
appear random and you think you have a liquid," says Wen. 

 

Makes perfect sense if the ‘snapshot’ (by a really, really fast
‘strobe-light’) is not occurring at the same frequency as the oscillation
you’re trying to observe; which is most assuredly the case here.  It could
also be strobing at a multiple, or sub-harmonic of that frequency.  ‘Sub’,
is what will happen first since we are getting close with attosecond
physics.

 

"But if you follow the motion of the electrons, you see that, unlike in a
liquid, the electrons dance around each other in a well organized manner and
form a global dancing pattern."

 

If you are able to adjust the frequency AND phase of the strobe-light, then
you could easily follow the motion, and you’d see that it’s motion was not
random at all…  Electric and/or magnetic fields oriented properly would also
restrict that oscillation to a limited area.

 

"What if electrons were not elementary, but were the ends of long strings in
a string-net liquid which becomes our space?"

 

The electron and the electron-hole are opposite ends of a dipole-like
oscillation!!!  If you take a dipole, and pivot it at its center, free to
rotate on all three axes, it will APPEAR to be an ‘orbital’ (at least the
innermost one).   When you add additional dipole-oscillations (aka,
electrons) to an atom, they restrict each other’s motion and we get the
familiar orbital shapes.  These guys just have to explain it using a
framework that they know best, which is string theory… 

 

“Normally, electrons prefer to have their spins to be in the opposite
direction to that of their immediate neighbors,”

 

Like, DUH  Because the like-ends of the dipole will repel each other, so
only complementary (180degs out of phase) oscillations will ‘pair up’.   So
they prefer this state, but in a solid it’s not the norm; however, in a gas,
they are pretty much free from neighbor interactions.  This is also a simple
*realistic* explanation for how two valence alectrons ‘pair-up’ to form
Cooper Pairs… ya know, VIOLATING one of the tenets of physics which is like
charges repel.  Oh, but we’ll make an exception and just give it a new
name...

 

“So in their theory elementary particles are not the fundamental building
blocks of matter. Instead, they emerge as defects or ‘whirlpools’ in the
deeper organized structure of space-time.”

 

Like I’ve been saying for years, coherent, dipole-like oscillations of an
isolated volume of the vacuum…

Ok, not exactly the same wording as mine, but they’ll come around…

;-)

 

“Wen and Levin found that, in a state of string-net liquid, the motion of
string-nets correspond to a wave that behaved according to a very famous set
of equations -- Maxwell's equations!  A hundred and fifty years after
Maxwell wrote them down, ether -- a medium that produces those equations --
was finally found." says Wen.”

 

Behold the rebirth of aether physics…

 

-Mark Iverson

 

From: Rich Murray [mailto:rmfor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 7:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Rich Murray; Joshua Cude
Subject: Re: [Vo]:A new theory of electromagnetism is in the works.

 

http://dao.mit.edu/~wen/NSart-wen.html

 

New Scientist published an article about string-net theory and unification
of light and electrons. The following is my modification of the article
trying to make it more accurate. 

-- Xiao-Gang Wen 

 

  

The universe is a string-net liquid

 

A mysterious green crystal may be challenging our most basic ideas about
matter and even space-time itself

 

Zeeya Merali

 

(March 15, 2007) 

 

In 1998, just after he won a share of the Nobel prize for physics, Robert
Laughlin of Stanford University in California was asked how his discovery of
"particles" with fractional charge would affect the lives of ordinary
people. "It probably won't," he said, "unless people are concerned about how
the universe works."

 

Well, people were. Xiao-Gang Wen at the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology and Michael Levin at Harvard University ran with Laughlin'

Re: [Vo]:Elforsk publish a "perspective" mini magazine, with E-cat among the stars

2013-10-23 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Impressive.   Looks like Elforsk has decided that the May report has some
merit.

This is definitely an event which increases the probability of what Rossi
is doing will work.


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Sunil Shah  wrote:

> An overview is to be expected. The final paragraph says:
>
> "There are an estimated 20 something players, who in one way or another
> are active or doing research in the cold fusion domain.  On behalf of
> Elforsk, an overview of the current stance in research, findings, etc., is
> being compiled.  The overview will be available on Elforsk's web page in
> October."
>
> .s
>


RE: [Vo]:Elforsk publish a "perspective" mini magazine, with E-cat among the stars

2013-10-23 Thread Sunil Shah
An overview is to be expected. The final paragraph says:

"There are an estimated 20 something players, who in one way or another are 
active or doing research in the cold fusion domain.  On behalf of Elforsk, an 
overview of the current stance in research, findings, etc., is being compiled.  
The overview will be available on Elforsk's web page in October."

.s