Re: [Vo]:Rossi vs I.H.

[Frank Znidarsic]

I did not like them, 


Same with me.  They spoke much about conspiracies against them, holding them 
back, blocking their work.  Never did they demonstrate a device that works.







Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:Rossi vs I.H.

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence 
wrote:

You'd want to get hard data because, unlikely as it seems, it would be so
> totally cool if it were all true, of course.
>

I for one would be very concerned to discover that grays were living under
the White House.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Rossi vs I.H.

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

I remember the "box" test, or rather, I recall reading about it on 
Vortex.  As I recall it involved placing a box (covered with aluminum 
foil IIRC, or maybe aluminum foil and copper foil layers, alternating) 
somewhere in the middle of the room and hanging a thermometer above it.  
The thermometer produced an anomalously high reading (half a degree 
higher than expected, something like that).


The argument I recall was over whether the box really had some magical 
property, or whether the air currents in the room were doing something 
entirely conventional but none the less unexpected which resulted in the 
slight temperature change.  As far as I can recall it devolved into 
shouting and nothing was ever done to try to verify or contradict the 
speculation that the effect being measured was some sort of "sorting" 
effect rather than a new source of energy. I also can't recall any 
mention of a "control" experiment being done to check whether a box 
without the fancy lining would have produced the same effect.  The whole 
thing seemed pretty unconvincing to me.


(If I weren't a lazy slob I'd go dig in my Vortex email from the period 
rather than just relying on faulty memory...)



On 05/28/2016 09:01 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Stephen A. Lawrence > wrote:

The other thing I (think I) recall about the brouhaha is that
disagreement over the Correas had a lot to do with it. 
Replication is all, and they didn't have it.



Oh, yes. The Correas did claim to be replicating Orgone energy. See:

http://www.aetherometry.com/Aetherometry_Intro/Orgone_Motor_Intro.php

I did not like them, their attitude or their work. They claimed the 
energy comes from the sun and goes through the earth at night, sort of 
like neutrinos. I figured if it go through the earth, it should pass 
through a detector or collector without imparting significant energy. 
I suggested they try it underground in a basement, at night. They 
didn't try that. I do not understand why someone would make that claim 
and then refuse to do the obvious test of it.


I seem to recall they did it in sunlight with a solar cell as part of 
the gadget. Maybe that was a bad dream?


However, as I recall, Gene worked with someone else who claimed to 
replicate Orgone energy. The device was basically a wooden box. It did 
not seem convincing but I paid little attention to it, so I cannot judge.


- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi vs I.H.

[Jed Rothwell]

Stephen A. Lawrence  wrote:

The other thing I (think I) recall about the brouhaha is that disagreement
> over the Correas had a lot to do with it.  Replication is all, and they
> didn't have it.
>

Oh, yes. The Correas did claim to be replicating Orgone energy. See:

http://www.aetherometry.com/Aetherometry_Intro/Orgone_Motor_Intro.php

I did not like them, their attitude or their work. They claimed the energy
comes from the sun and goes through the earth at night, sort of like
neutrinos. I figured if it go through the earth, it should pass through a
detector or collector without imparting significant energy. I suggested
they try it underground in a basement, at night. They didn't try that. I do
not understand why someone would make that claim and then refuse to do the
obvious test of it.

I seem to recall they did it in sunlight with a solar cell as part of the
gadget. Maybe that was a bad dream?

However, as I recall, Gene worked with someone else who claimed to
replicate Orgone energy. The device was basically a wooden box. It did not
seem convincing but I paid little attention to it, so I cannot judge.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi vs I.H.

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

You'd want to get hard data because, unlikely as it seems, it would be 
so totally cool if it were all true, of course.


Gives a whole new meaning to the song "Cheney's in the bunker", since 
presumably half the "people" in the bunker with him were aliens.


On 05/27/2016 11:47 AM, Craig Haynie wrote:
>>>It seems that there would be a way to test the hypothesis that 
grays are living under the White House and get some hard data.


Why would you want to?

Craig

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Eric Walker > wrote:


On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:34 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence
> wrote:

The assumption that there are aliens running the government
also involves a whole pile of (very improbable) secondary
assumptions, and there's no evidence beyond some old rather
dubious photographs sourced by one person with nothing to show
they weren't a hoax, and a handful of unsupported assertions
by various people.  So, the probability that the assumption is
true appears to be very very small.


It seems that there would be a way to test the hypothesis that
grays are living under the White House and get some hard data.

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Crescent Dunes Solar Energy Project

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

It ought to be possible to build the things with a fail-safe mode 
wherein loss of power results in the mirrors defocussing.  Shouldn't be 
hard; the /hard/ thing, presumably, is getting them all pointing at the 
_same_ spot.  Making them /not/ do that should be easy.


And locking them in place, focussed, just seems like bad procedure -- 
again, there should be a defocussed mode which they can go to for 
maintenance.


But I bet the plant operators have already figured all this out, with 
20/20 hindsight


On 05/27/2016 10:24 PM, ChemE Stewart wrote:
Fatal flaw:  Lock mirrors in the morning for maintenance or lose power 
to mirror motors but the sun keeps rising, thus the focal focal point 
of up to 300 MW's of thermal flux moves down the tower, torching it.  
Enough heat to collapse a tower under the right conditions.


http://solarindustrymag.com/update-nrg-confirms-cause-of-fire-at-ivanpah-solar-plant


On Friday, May 27, 2016, Blaze Spinnaker > wrote:


Oh noes, solar power incident results in . burnt tower.
This is why solar power is the solution to everything.


On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:31 AM, ChemE Stewart > wrote:

Oops, Default

Oops, Fire


http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/ivanpah-solar-plant-catches-fire-but-taxpayers-get-burned/

Oops







On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Jed Rothwell
> wrote:

I wrote:

The taxpayers will get their money back eventually.
The power companies are not going to stop buying
electricity from this installation. They may
renegotiate the price . . .


Source:

I think I read this at Renewable Energy World, but I
cannot find the article. Anyway, that is the usual
arrangement. Since the machine is up and running, and
making a profit on current operations, the taxpayers
should be reimbursed. The owners may face bankruptcy.

http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/index.html

The article went on to say this is quite different from
the situation at Solyndra. There was no revenue stream
when Solyndra went bankrupt. They did not have anything up
and running.

When a company goes bankrupt, if there are parts of the
company which are making a current profit, the courts are
careful to keep those parts in business. They try not to
sell off assets or do anything else which will disrupt
those parts and stop the flow of income. They try not to
cause more unemployment than necessary. On the other hand,
they direct the current profit flow to the creditors, and
away from stockholders. When Uncle Sam is among the
creditors or unpaid vendors, he always goes to the front
of the line. That's how it works.

The Solyndra bankruptcy has been called a scandal. It is
not a scandal. Any investment can go south. Many
governments supported ventures have failed. In this case,
the Solyndra portion of the fund failed but overall the
fund did exceptionally well and made a ton of money for
the taxpayers. You might argue that the Federal government
should not be investing in technology. That might appeal
to purists who think the government should play no role in
the economy, but as I have often pointed out, the
government has played a leading role since the
construction of the Erie Canal, and in ever major
technology since then. If it had not, I expect the U.S.
would have lost the Civil War, WWI and WWII.

Since most Federal money goes to conventional technology
such as coal and oil, I do not think the industry should
complain.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[H LV]

Interesting how they are able to design a pair of magnets to either attract
until they repel or to repel until they attract.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZMJYqEdQw

Harry

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 3:31 PM, H LV  wrote:

> ​More examples of programmable magnets
>
> https://youtu.be/IANBoybVApQ?t=2m14s
>
> Harry​
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 2:46 PM, H Ucar  wrote:
>
>> This demonstation of 'correlated magnetic phenomenon' is not working
>> as explained. Obviously if magnets allowed to move freely they arrange
>> their positions for attraction only and they will stick. Otherwise
>> they had found a way to circumvent the Earnshaw theorem.
>>
>> On 5/28/16, Jones Beene  wrote:
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: H Ucar
>> >
>> >> I experimentally show oscillatory magnetic interaction between dipole
>> >> bodies exhibits strong repulsion at short distance therefore provides
>> >> eqilibrium for the bound state in presence of attractive magnetic or
>> >> electric forces... This mechanism could be the origin of weak and
>> strong
>> >> interactions without requiring new forces or glue particles Since
>> the
>> >> bound states through magnetic interactions are fully dynamic, it might
>> be
>> >> possible to disturb or break it easier than if based on static
>> forces
>> >
>> >
>> > This is insightful - and I agree with the general conclusion despite the
>> > vast difference in scale, when moving from centimeters to angstroms. The
>> > same point is also made by the "correlated magnetic" phenomenon, in
>> which
>> > "repel" and "attract" functions are coded into a single magnet, which
>> does
>> > both depending on relative position.
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POc32aioLFE
>> >
>> > The strong and weak force could be a similar situation - with the
>> so-called
>> > 5th force being a relic of one or the other.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[H LV]

​More examples of programmable magnets

https://youtu.be/IANBoybVApQ?t=2m14s

Harry​

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 2:46 PM, H Ucar  wrote:

> This demonstation of 'correlated magnetic phenomenon' is not working
> as explained. Obviously if magnets allowed to move freely they arrange
> their positions for attraction only and they will stick. Otherwise
> they had found a way to circumvent the Earnshaw theorem.
>
> On 5/28/16, Jones Beene  wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: H Ucar
> >
> >> I experimentally show oscillatory magnetic interaction between dipole
> >> bodies exhibits strong repulsion at short distance therefore provides
> >> eqilibrium for the bound state in presence of attractive magnetic or
> >> electric forces... This mechanism could be the origin of weak and strong
> >> interactions without requiring new forces or glue particles Since
> the
> >> bound states through magnetic interactions are fully dynamic, it might
> be
> >> possible to disturb or break it easier than if based on static
> forces
> >
> >
> > This is insightful - and I agree with the general conclusion despite the
> > vast difference in scale, when moving from centimeters to angstroms. The
> > same point is also made by the "correlated magnetic" phenomenon, in which
> > "repel" and "attract" functions are coded into a single magnet, which
> does
> > both depending on relative position.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POc32aioLFE
> >
> > The strong and weak force could be a similar situation - with the
> so-called
> > 5th force being a relic of one or the other.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Heat/light hybrid solar cells

[Jones Beene]

There is at least one common material – SiC (it may be unique) which can be 
fabricated to convert blackbody to quasi monochromatic IR.

 

There are a number of papers about this, but the first one that pops up is 
“Extraordinary Coherent Thermal Emission From SiC Due to Coupled Resonant 
Cavities” Nev, et al

 

From: Eric Walker 

 

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

 

The idea seems to be that you put a collector made of nanotubes and 
nanophotonic crystals in front of the cell and it "transforms" the incoming 
sunlight from a mishmosh of frequencies into a nearly monochromatic beam, whose 
frequency is centered on the band the cell can convert.

 

This sounds like a blackbody-to-monochromatic light converter. Will physical 
principles allow such a thing without expenditure of energy?

 

Eric

 

Re: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[H Ucar]

This demonstation of 'correlated magnetic phenomenon' is not working
as explained. Obviously if magnets allowed to move freely they arrange
their positions for attraction only and they will stick. Otherwise
they had found a way to circumvent the Earnshaw theorem.

On 5/28/16, Jones Beene  wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: H Ucar
>
>> I experimentally show oscillatory magnetic interaction between dipole
>> bodies exhibits strong repulsion at short distance therefore provides
>> eqilibrium for the bound state in presence of attractive magnetic or
>> electric forces... This mechanism could be the origin of weak and strong
>> interactions without requiring new forces or glue particles Since the
>> bound states through magnetic interactions are fully dynamic, it might be
>> possible to disturb or break it easier than if based on static forces
>
>
> This is insightful - and I agree with the general conclusion despite the
> vast difference in scale, when moving from centimeters to angstroms. The
> same point is also made by the "correlated magnetic" phenomenon, in which
> "repel" and "attract" functions are coded into a single magnet, which does
> both depending on relative position.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POc32aioLFE
>
> The strong and weak force could be a similar situation - with the so-called
> 5th force being a relic of one or the other.
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Heat/light hybrid solar cells

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence 
wrote:

The idea seems to be that you put a collector made of nanotubes and
> nanophotonic crystals in front of the cell and it "transforms" the incoming
> sunlight from a mishmosh of frequencies into a nearly monochromatic beam,
> whose frequency is centered on the band the cell can convert.
>

This sounds like a blackbody-to-monochromatic light converter. Will
physical principles allow such a thing without expenditure of energy?

Eric

RE: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-
From: H Ucar 

> I experimentally show oscillatory magnetic interaction between dipole bodies 
> exhibits strong repulsion at short distance therefore provides eqilibrium for 
> the bound state in presence of attractive magnetic or electric forces... This 
> mechanism could be the origin of weak and strong interactions without 
> requiring new forces or glue particles Since the bound states through 
> magnetic interactions are fully dynamic, it might be possible to disturb or 
> break it easier than if based on static forces


This is insightful - and I agree with the general conclusion despite the vast 
difference in scale, when moving from centimeters to angstroms. The same point 
is also made by the "correlated magnetic" phenomenon, in which "repel" and 
"attract" functions are coded into a single magnet, which does both depending 
on relative position.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POc32aioLFE

The strong and weak force could be a similar situation - with the so-called 5th 
force being a relic of one or the other. 

[Vo]:Heat/light hybrid solar cells

[Stephen A. Lawrence]

This idea has been kicking around for close to a decade but this is 
apparently the first time it's been demonstrated with actual solar cells 
and actual sunlight.


The idea seems to be that you put a collector made of nanotubes and 
nanophotonic crystals in front of the cell and it "transforms" the 
incoming sunlight from a mishmosh of frequencies into a nearly 
monochromatic beam, whose frequency is centered on the band the cell can 
convert.


This is supposed to allow the cells to break the 32% barrier, which is 
the theoretical limit for a single-layer cell, or so they say (I sure 
don't know enough semiconductor physics to critique that statement).


('Course the whole system needs to be operated at about 1000 C which 
might impose some limitations on where you could deploy it.)


Brief article here (original paper was in /Nature Energy/):

http://news.mit.edu/2016/hot-new-solar-cell-0523

Re: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[H Ucar]

I'd experimentally showed (
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3KwdWTgl7fisd3h_tK1YLhFeuzkPATNt
) oscillatory magnetic interaction between dipole bodies exhibits
strong repulsion at short distance therefore provides eqilibrium for
the bound state in presence of attractive magnetic or electric forces.
This mechanism could be the origin of weak and strong interactions
without requiring new forces or glue particles. See 'Derivation of
strong and weak forces from magnetic interactions in quantum
electrodynamics (QED)'
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01596194

(This link only allows to see the abstract and the first page free of charge)

Since the bound states through magnetic interactions are fully
dynamic, it might be possible to disturb or break it easier than if
they were based on static forces.


On 5/26/16, Jones Beene  wrote:
> Imagine a previously unrecognized bosonic nuclear force, somewhat like a
> gluon - but which has an associated force which is "protophobic" meaning
> that it attracts and binds neutrons, and repels protons. By analogy - this
> new force acts like a magnet for neutrons and a diamagnet for protons.
>
> The new force/particle has received little attention . and since we are
> among the first to consider it in all its newfound glory, let's name it
> "neuglu" for the obvious reasons. It has a lot of mass-energy - nearly 17
> MeV, and possibly can provide the lost mass needed to account for the
> thermal gain seen in LENR.
>
> The neuglu-boson is thus a range force which can arise between neutrons and
> electrons or between small groups of low Z nuclei if the neutron alignment
> is correct, since the above description of "protophobia" is eliminates it
> from large nuclei. Even so, these groups must present exposed contact zones
> of only neutrons, and possibly it adds stability. Plus, it is not easy to
> account for why the neuglu boson has been completely unrecognized all these
> years - but if SLAC says is so, then I am not going to argue with SLAC.
>
> To continue, if neuglu is real and it can act between exposed neutrons when
> groups geometrically favorable, then it will be found in predictable
> circumstances. Such a particle would carry a force that acts over distances
> only several times the width of an atomic nucleus and could temporarily
> bind
> atoms like deuterium ***without fusion*** into agglomerations which mimic
> other atoms and provide excess energy on decay.
>
> Now, imagine a cluster of four deuterons arranged in a tetrahedron, such
> that all the four neutrons pointed inward to the focal point of the
> arrangement, where the neuglu boson is spatially active. The four protons
> point outward - giving a rather pronounced positive near field. We can call
> this species beryllium-8, and it is short lived, but ironically the neuglu
> may prohibit fusion. Yet, this isomer does not need to decay to alphas and
> may instead sequentially form and reform from only UDD.
>
> Moreover, other neuglu bound nuclei are possible which are longer-lived,
> including 10B, 12C, 14N, 16O. Thus - here is a prediction which will
> provide
> some falsifiability to the premise that neuglu can bind deuterons in a way
> that mimics low Z elements.
>
>
> --
> One way that the "fifth force" (or sixth, since the fifth force is already
> spoken for) could be relevant to LENR relates to Takahashi's TSC theory, or
> a revised version of it. This involves a Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate .
> which, of course, has four vertices, or four active components - normally
> four deuterons. This is a very stable platonic solid form, and it can look
> very much like beryllium-8.
>
> This is sometimes called cluster fusion since more than two particles are
> involved. Four deuterons in the ultradense UDD state could react giving the
> fusion product or else the appearance of a 8Be atom which the Hungarians
> base everything on. If we want to go beyond Takahashi, fusion is NOT
> required -- merely the temporary formation of the tetrahedron, which has
> binding energy, followed by its energetic breakup back to deuterons -
> courtesy of the fifth force. Implied is asymmetry.
>
> That is one way to avoid the problem of lack of gamma radiation. Of course
> no one knows the expected ash, but if helium is found, then it is real
> cluster fusion - but this is highly unlikely IMO and otherwise, there would
> be a new type of gain based on 5th force dynamics.
>
>
>

[Vo]:perspective of potential peak performances in LENR?

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/05/may-28-2016-lenr-perspective-of.html

my thoughts for today, some info

A fine weekend to you all, my workaholic mates included-
we keep solidarity!
peter



-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

[Vo]:Russin nuclear engined for space flight

[a.ashfield]

MFMP's facebook page gives a reference to Russian developments. This 
link gives rather more than the one they use.

http://www.wired.com/2016/03/russia-thinks-can-use-nukes-fly-mars-90-days-can-find-rubles/