RE: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones-

Nearing 80 I don’t do experiments any more.  However, your proposal sounds 
interesting.

A sandwich of a semi- conductor and mylar or any transparent material may 
provide interesting creation of extra photons from the ZPE space or whatever 
that space is called.  Just coordinate the wave length in the film of integral 
unit wave length thickness with the energy/frequency of the electrons in the 
conduction band of the semi-conductor.

Extra photons would mean a free energy source and no high energy problems.

Bob Cook

PS:  I had retinal vascular eye hemorrhage in December after a routine dilation 
procedure using  muscle relaxant and decongestant tropicamide and phenylephrine.

Old age leads to lots of problems, including weak blood vessels, white coat 
hypertension, intentional blood thinning and risk of excessive  bleeding, 
macular degeneration—dry and wet, high intraocular hydraulic pressure, etc.

Considering all this I am on a kick to support development of analytical 
computer model of a human eyeball with individual unique changing  
parameters—inter ocular pressure, blood pressure, cordial and retinal vascular 
dimensional and stress/strain response  characteristics (available with 
state-of-the-art ocular angiography) retinal membrane stiffness and other 
mechanical properties, normal blood pressure etc.

The objective is to understand the real time and accumulated  ocular conditions 
that cause glaucoma, wet age related macular degeneration and other eye 
problems.   The program would/will make use of AI to correlate medicines and 
other parameters that could affect normal cell repair mechanisms, for example 
optic nerve sheath deterioration and repair associated with glaucoma.(I 
think that wear and tear on the retinal structure and the optic nerve due to 
dimensional changes in the eyeball may be correlated with problems, depending 
upon lifestyle—reading, alcohol consumption, chronic drug usage—statins, for 
example,  vitamin and food supplements, diet, etc.

Many over 50 may benefit in the long run to preserve their  eyesight.

I am focusing on a brain physiologist and a graduate program at a University in 
Portland at the moment to perform the programing I have suggested above.

FRC

Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy

[Jones Beene]

Bob,

Here is a simple but meaningful experiment you may want to try.

A quick search for a common product in this geometry (~.175 mm or 7 mil) 
turns up the film used in automobile safety glass lamination. This is 
typically 7 mil Polyester Film (Mylar). This film is transparent and not 
expensive. However, as you suggest, the strongest ZPE photon could have 
a different wavelength when propagating in such a film and a different 
thickness would be better.


A proper combination of features would lend itself to a simple 
experiment which would indicate whether or not virtual photons from ZPE 
can form. It would depend on whether or not virtual ZPE photons are 
reflected efficiently by a mirrored metal. The DCE effect has shown that 
this is possible.


Start with a Mylar film roll of several hundred layers which has been 
rewound and interleaved with alternating layers of mirrored aluminum 
foil. The foil would tend to internally reflect photons of that 
wavelength preferentially due to geometric resonance at its wavelength. 
If virtual photons are present, we could see semi-coherence and a 
resulting physical anomaly. I think there is a decent chance to see an 
anomaly.


If the temperature of the roll went up or down by even a single degree, 
compared to ambient, this would indicate some conversion of virtual 
photons to real. I would actually expect the temperature of the layered 
roll to drop slightly, rather than rise, since the energy of the favored 
photon in this case is less than ambient. One problem is determining a 
proper baseline for ambient.



bobcook39...@hotmail.com wrote:


Jones –

Interesting item and related comments.


Additional comments:

 1. The wave length of E-M radiation in the solid state is not the
same as in a vacuum.
 2. The CalPhysics item does not address the energy and angular
momentum associated with nuclear entities, atomic entities and
photons, nor how the uncertainty principle of Planck applies to
the transition of spin angular momentum in integral units of
h/2pie in any system.  Their discussion carefully avoids spin
energy and related angular momentum.   There may be no quantum
fuzziness associated with spin. angular momentum and related energy.



Addressing these questions may provide understanding why LENR does not 
entail radiation associated with high energy particles and 
annihilation reactions.



*Subject: *Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy

A practical detail... assuming that the 1.7 THz phase transition is 
the peak energy of ZPE photons which can interact in a mechanical 
conversion system in order to harness dark energy (which is one 
possible interpretation of the CalPhysics info)... 1.7 terahertz = 
176.3 wavelength in micrometers


The practical question becomes - is there a way to utilize this 
dimension as in an LENR experiment, so that part of the gain (or all 
of the gain) can derive from dark energy? This is obviously a geometry 
which much larger than nanometer, for instance. But these days, 
everyone wants to focus on nanometer. That could be a mistake.


Obviously, a photon in the Casimir geometry (2-20 nm) corresponds to 
EUV wavelengths ... and this size discrepancy may explain why the 
Jovion patent discussed in the reference below does not work. There is 
no coupling.


That patent is premised on  what they are calling the "Casimir-Lamb 
Shift" which indicates that certain electron orbitals in atoms are 
lower in energy inside a Casimir cavity than outside.


Perhaps the widespread emphasis on "nano" has been misplaced and we 
should be thinking about how to implement reactants in a comparatively 
huge geometry, which is slightly below the one millimeter scale.


However, it could also be the case that one needs both scales in the 
same experiment. That would be new territory to explore.




From the CalPhysics site... (paraphrased and annotated to make a
point)

A major discovery in astrophysics in the late 1990s was the
finding from supernovae redshift-luminosity observations that the
expansion of the universe is accelerating. This led to the concept
of dark energy, which has been labeled as a resurrection of
Einstein's cosmological constant. The universe now appears to
consist of about 70 percent dark energy, 25 percent dark matter
and five percent ordinary matter.

Zero-point energy can be defined as having the apparent desired
property of driving an accelerated expansion, and thus having the
requisite properties of dark energy, but to an absurdly greater
degree than is required but recent work by Christian Beck and
Michael Mackey may have resolved the disparity. If their work is
accurate, then dark energy is basically nothing other than ZPE or
a superset/subset.

They propose that a phase transition occurs such that zero-point
photons below a frequency of about 1.7 THz are gravitationally
active whereas above that 

RE: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jones –

Interesting item and related comments.

Additional comments:


  1.  The wave length of E-M radiation in the solid state is not the same as in 
a vacuum.
  2.  The CalPhysics item does not address the energy and angular momentum 
associated with nuclear entities, atomic entities and photons, nor how the 
uncertainty principle of Planck applies to the transition of spin angular 
momentum in integral units of h/2pie in any system.  Their discussion carefully 
avoids spin energy and related angular momentum.   There may be no quantum 
fuzziness associated with spin. angular momentum and related energy.

Addressing these questions may provide understanding why LENR does not entail 
radiation associated with high energy particles and annihilation reactions.

Bob Cook



From: Jones Beene
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:11 AM
To: Vortex List
Subject: Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy


A practical detail... assuming that the 1.7 THz phase transition is the peak 
energy of ZPE photons which can interact in a mechanical conversion system in 
order to harness dark energy (which is one possible interpretation of the 
CalPhysics info)...

1.7 terahertz = 176.3 wavelength in micrometers

The practical question becomes - is there a way to utilize this dimension as in 
an LENR experiment, so that part of the gain (or all of the gain) can derive 
from dark energy? This is obviously a geometry which much larger than 
nanometer, for instance. But these days, everyone wants to focus on nanometer. 
That could be a mistake.

Obviously, a photon in the Casimir geometry (2-20 nm) corresponds to EUV 
wavelengths ... and this size discrepancy may explain why the Jovion patent 
discussed in the reference below does not work. There is no coupling.

That patent is premised on  what they are calling the "Casimir-Lamb Shift" 
which indicates that certain electron orbitals in atoms are lower in energy 
inside a Casimir cavity than outside.

Perhaps the widespread emphasis on "nano" has been misplaced and we should be 
thinking about how to implement reactants in a comparatively huge geometry, 
which is slightly below the one millimeter scale.

However, it could also be the case that one needs both scales in the same 
experiment. That would be new territory to explore.



>From the CalPhysics site... (paraphrased and annotated to make a point)

A major discovery in astrophysics in the late 1990s was the finding from 
supernovae redshift-luminosity observations that the expansion of the universe 
is accelerating. This led to the concept of dark energy, which has been labeled 
as a resurrection of Einstein's cosmological constant. The universe now appears 
to consist of about 70 percent dark energy, 25 percent dark matter and five 
percent ordinary matter.

Zero-point energy can be defined as having the apparent desired property of 
driving an accelerated expansion, and thus having the requisite properties of 
dark energy, but to an absurdly greater degree than is required but recent 
work by Christian Beck and Michael Mackey may have resolved the disparity. If 
their work is accurate, then dark energy is basically nothing other than ZPE or 
a superset/subset.

They propose that a phase transition occurs such that zero-point photons below 
a frequency of about 1.7 THz are gravitationally active whereas above that they 
are not. If true, the dark energy problem is solved: dark energy is the low 
frequency gravitationally active component of zero-point energy.

The 1.7 THz phase transition value is an important marker and consistent with 
measurable QED effects such as the Casimir effect, the Lamb shift, etc. The 
proposed phase transition value should be testable in the near future. It is in 
range which comes up in the studies of SPP (surface plasmons). NASA has done 
recent R work using terahertz radiation in a slightly higher THz range on a 
nickel lattice loaded with hydrogen, in order to induce LENR.

Perhaps NASA should have aimed lower and/or perhaps Holmlid will find access to 
the new THz lasers which are coming out in this exact range (which seems to be 
favored in terms of efficiency).

From: http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html with comments added

Re: [Vo]:ZPE as the superset of Dark Energy

[Jones Beene]

A practical detail... assuming that the 1.7 THz phase transition is the 
peak energy of ZPE photons which can interact in a mechanical conversion 
system in order to harness dark energy (which is one possible 
interpretation of the CalPhysics info)...


1.7 terahertz = 176.3 wavelength in micrometers

The practical question becomes - is there a way to utilize this 
dimension as in an LENR experiment, so that part of the gain (or all of 
the gain) can derive from dark energy? This is obviously a geometry 
which much larger than nanometer, for instance. But these days, everyone 
wants to focus on nanometer. That could be a mistake.


Obviously, a photon in the Casimir geometry (2-20 nm) corresponds to EUV 
wavelengths ... and this size discrepancy may explain why the Jovion 
patent discussed in the reference below does not work. There is no 
coupling.


That patent is premised on  what they are calling the "Casimir-Lamb 
Shift" which indicates that certain electron orbitals in atoms are lower 
in energy inside a Casimir cavity than outside.


Perhaps the widespread emphasis on "nano" has been misplaced and we 
should be thinking about how to implement reactants in a comparatively 
huge geometry, which is slightly below the one millimeter scale.


However, it could also be the case that one needs both scales in the 
same experiment. That would be new territory to explore.




From the CalPhysics site... (paraphrased and annotated to make a point)

A major discovery in astrophysics in the late 1990s was the finding 
from supernovae redshift-luminosity observations that the expansion of 
the universe is accelerating. This led to the concept of dark energy, 
which has been labeled as a resurrection of Einstein's cosmological 
constant. The universe now appears to consist of about 70 percent dark 
energy, 25 percent dark matter and five percent ordinary matter.


Zero-point energy can be defined as having the apparent desired 
property of driving an accelerated expansion, and thus having the 
requisite properties of dark energy, but to an absurdly greater degree 
than is required but recent work by Christian Beck and Michael 
Mackey may have resolved the disparity. If their work is accurate, 
then dark energy is basically nothing other than ZPE or a 
superset/subset.


They propose that a phase transition occurs such that zero-point 
photons below a frequency of about 1.7 THz are gravitationally active 
whereas above that they are not. If true, the dark energy problem is 
solved: dark energy is the low frequency gravitationally active 
component of zero-point energy.


The 1.7 THz phase transition value is an important marker and 
consistent with measurable QED effects such as the Casimir effect, the 
Lamb shift, etc. The proposed phase transition value should be 
testable in the near future. It is in range which comes up in the 
studies of SPP (surface plasmons). NASA has done recent R work using 
terahertz radiation in a slightly higher THz range on a nickel lattice 
loaded with hydrogen, in order to induce LENR.


Perhaps NASA should have aimed lower and/or perhaps Holmlid will find 
access to the new THz lasers which are coming out in this exact range 
(which seems to be favored in terms of efficiency).


From: http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html with comments added