Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[mixent]

In reply to  Lennart Thornros's message of Fri, 21 Jun 2019 07:02:52 -0400:
Hi,
>If there is such a nonaggression pact. Shouldn't we the people 've
>informed? Why is that secret.? W go benefits from the secrecy?
>Lennart Thornros
[snip]
1) Yes, we should be informed.
2) It's secret because those in power assume massive panic if the word got out.
They are wrong BTW, if *all* the facts are presented, rather than a selection,
then for almost everyone, life would just go on as normal, because if would be
obvious that the situation has been going on for a long time, and essentially
nothing has changed. 
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[mixent]

In reply to  Terry Blanton's message of Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:53:01 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>I think they are following still the guidance offered in the Brookings
>Report:
>
>https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19640053196.pdf

At first glance, my impression is that like most people in power they tend to
believe that they are best placed to wield that power, and make decisions on
behalf of everyone else.

What none appear to have realized is that given the truth, society is far more
capable of adjusting to any situation than anyone (or any group) in a leadership
position could possibly achieve. 
This is because each person in society makes their own decision on what is best
for them, in any given circumstance. This is decision making on such a vast
scale that it is impossible to achieve centrally.

People tend to make the most sensible decisions when given all the facts.

When some facts are hidden, they are forced to make decisions based on
guesswork, which has a greater chance of leading to silly decisions, because
some of those guesses will be wrong.

Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

RE: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

It looks like international patents are a thing of the past with all the 
nationalists, etal. that could care less about a civilized planet of the 
future.  Good marketing is where the money (or whatever replaces it) lies—not 
in known intellectual property.

As Jones hints, the real question is: What is the source of potential energy 
that is changed to phonic or thermal energy by the shielding functions of the 
reactor for EM radiation, if it is produced during the reaction?

Bob Cook

From: JonesBeene
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 6:32 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?


From: Axil Axil


  *   The gain might not be thermal, but ultraviolet light.


Technically , if the main mechanism for  gain is photonic in the 630 eV range – 
that mass-energy level  is categorized as  a soft x-ray which  is stronger than 
EUV.

If this turned out to be a Mills-type of hydrino reaction, which it partially 
resembles - then yes – the gain would be ultraviolet. Of course, in the end 
either UV or soft x-rays would be downshifted into thermal – as they are in the 
range of ‘universally absorbed’ and none of that kind of radiation escapes a 
steel reactor as anything but heat.

The problem with suggesting Holmlid’s theory  is that one of the main 
mechanisms for gain is proton disintegration into muons – much of which 
radiation would escape without being captured.

We can probably rule out Holmlid’s main hypothesis since Mizuno is still alive 
and in good health. Same for fusion. If his  home furnace was producing 3 
kilowatts of heat from proton annihilation into muons for much of the winter, 
or from nuclear fusion - severe health problems would surely be evident.

At this stage there is nothing wrong with suggesting that the thermal gain 
comes partly from a Millsean mechanism and partly from Holmlid’s but mostly… 
and without a doubt,  the breakthrough is from Mizuno’s “Aladdin effect” 
technique of surface alloying.

One thing we can be sure of -- attribution will be contested on many fronts -  
but it is Mizuno who let the genie out of the lamp – no doubt there and 
secondly, the main beneficiaries are likely to be the Chinese, if this is real. 
They have the perfect market for such a device as the one we are seeing.

The main Mills’ patents have expired but they will negate many of the  later 
attempt by patent trolls to control a fractional hydrogen modality. As everyone 
is aware – a source of kilowatt level clean heat – as is epitomized in the 
fabulous hearth image in the new Mizuno paper – well, that  is a trillion 
dollar invention and every greedy bastard on the planet will be trying to get 
their fingers in the pot. But hey – that is the essence of capitalism. And 
isn’t it ironic that former communists will probably be the main beneficiaries.

Jones

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Terry Blanton]

I think they are following still the guidance offered in the Brookings
Report:

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19640053196.pdf


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RE: [Vo]:What is special about ~630 eV ?

[JonesBeene]

From: Axil Axil

➢ The gain might not be thermal, but ultraviolet light.


Technically , if the main mechanism for  gain is photonic in the 630 eV range – 
that mass-energy level  is categorized as  a soft x-ray which  is stronger than 
EUV.

If this turned out to be a Mills-type of hydrino reaction, which it partially 
resembles - then yes – the gain would be ultraviolet. Of course, in the end 
either UV or soft x-rays would be downshifted into thermal – as they are in the 
range of ‘universally absorbed’ and none of that kind of radiation escapes a 
steel reactor as anything but heat.

The problem with suggesting Holmlid’s theory  is that one of the main 
mechanisms for gain is proton disintegration into muons – much of which 
radiation would escape without being captured.

We can probably rule out Holmlid’s main hypothesis since Mizuno is still alive 
and in good health. Same for fusion. If his  home furnace was producing 3 
kilowatts of heat from proton annihilation into muons for much of the winter, 
or from nuclear fusion - severe health problems would surely be evident. 

At this stage there is nothing wrong with suggesting that the thermal gain 
comes partly from a Millsean mechanism and partly from Holmlid’s but mostly… 
and without a doubt,  the breakthrough is from Mizuno’s “Aladdin effect” 
technique of surface alloying. 

One thing we can be sure of -- attribution will be contested on many fronts -  
but it is Mizuno who let the genie out of the lamp – no doubt there and 
secondly, the main beneficiaries are likely to be the Chinese, if this is real. 
They have the perfect market for such a device as the one we are seeing.

The main Mills’ patents have expired but they will negate many of the  later 
attempt by patent trolls to control a fractional hydrogen modality. As everyone 
is aware – a source of kilowatt level clean heat – as is epitomized in the 
fabulous hearth image in the new Mizuno paper – well, that  is a trillion 
dollar invention and every greedy bastard on the planet will be trying to get 
their fingers in the pot. But hey – that is the essence of capitalism. And 
isn’t it ironic that former communists will probably be the main beneficiaries.

Jones

RE: [Vo]:

[Chris Zell]

Typical of our irresponsible leadership.  The problem was huge in Cold War days 
(which are making a comeback) because maybe this stuff could trigger an 
accidental war.  After decades of sightings by sane people, they suddenly want 
answers.  I suppose once Trump starts a war that triggers a global depression, 
years later they might debate ‘maybe we were too quick to attack”.

I suppose we should be grateful it happened at all…..


From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 8:04 PM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: [Vo]:

Congress up in arms

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/20/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-briefs-us-senators/index.html

The Senate wants answers about the UFOs that are causing havoc with naval 
aircraft operations.

Senator Warner wants answers. It doesn't matter if it's weather balloons, 
little green men, or something else entirely — we can't ask our pilots to put 
their lives at risk unnecessarily," Rachel Cohen, the spokeswoman for 
Democratic Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, told CNN.

How about 47 foot EVOs. Would that also be a concern for the lawmakers?

Re: [Vo]:Congress up in arms over UFOs

[Lennart Thornros]

If there is such a nonaggression pact. Shouldn't we the people 've
informed? Why is that secret.? W go benefits from the secrecy?
Lennart Thornros

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 23:44  wrote:

> In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Thu, 20 Jun 2019 22:55:29 -0400:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> 1) The President doesn't believe they are extra-terrestrial, and also isn't
> worried.
> 2) If they were "home grown" no senate briefing would have been needed.
>
>
> Not worried implies they are already known not to be a threat.
>
> Conclusion: The source is a terrestrial entity that is not a threat.
>
> The capabilities are clearly beyond anything we have. Since we don't
> already
> have the technology, the owners are not going to share their technology,
> but
> have promised not to harm us unless attacked.
>
> Conclusion:- The government already knows that there is an existing
> extra-terrestrial presence here on Earth, and they have a signed a
> "non-aggression" pact with them.
> Regards,
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> local asymmetry = temporary success
>
>