Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
I sent my book to the people doing this study research at the Pentagon. As usual I have heard noting. Not even the the, It Was Interesting put down. Frank
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:08 PM William Beaty wrote: Me, I stay away from the UFO community. Wise move. Thanks, Bill. Back in the day, my website was only for FE/OU, antigravity, CF. I was constantly having to tell people, if you want UFOs, just freakin' go to the HUUUGE number of flying-saucer websites! Sheesh. But those groups never build hardware, or even START to perhaps consider any experiments. For them, actual science seems to be completely taboo. ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
I wrote: > I think there is no likelihood aliens would need help from us, and no > likelihood they crashed or their equipment failed. A technology capable of > crossing interstellar space with devices as large as this would be > "indistinguishable from magic" (Clarke) and it would be hundreds or > thousands of years ahead of anything we could understand -- or make. It > would be so reliable there is no chance it would fail catastrophically. > Having said that, let me add that I have no earthly idea what might be causing these UFO reports. I have no hypothesis. I think I can rule out some hypotheses. It seems unlikely that a civilization can send macroscopic, controlled vehicles across interstellar space, yet these vehicles might crash on earth. I suppose I cannot rule it out, but it is like suggesting that a modern desktop computer which performs 3 billion operations per second might slow down and take 10 minutes to add 2 + 2 = 4. Or that a pickax might shatter when you use it to make a hole in a styrofoam block. Technology does not fail that drastically. Things are more reliable than that. I am not interested in UFOs because as far as I know, there is not enough data to form a reasonable hypothesis. We'll just have to wait until we know more, which may be never. I am not interested in questions with no near-term potential answers. I don't care about the so-called Big Questions such as "how did the universe begin?" Honestly, I am not much interested in any question that is not likely to lead to making money soon, or making life better, or fixing problems such as pollution, global warming, or cheap access to outer space, or better food. I admit I am a philistine!
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
Jones Beene wrote: In that case, the most likely thing ET would need to continue their mission > is replacement of advanced chips and electronics. To get these parts, > however, they might first need to intervene somehow in the normal process > of R on earth by influencing progress and directing it in a certain way > to meet their needs, not ours. > Every breakthrough in semiconductors was made by people without help from extraterrestrials. The people who made these breakthroughs documented their work very carefully, for patent purposes. The history has been preserved in detail. There is no doubt the people came up with the ideas themselves. There is no mystery or gaps in the development process. Individual discoveries were not great leaps of imagination. They were not extremely surprising or unthinkable, especially compared to cold fusion. If Shockly, Brattain and Bardeen had not discovered transistors, someone else soon would have. Arguably, Lilienfeld did discover transistors in 1925. The Bell Labs patent lawyers thought he did, and they wrote the patent so as not to infringe on his patent. It is not likely Lilienfeld ever demonstrated the effect, and his device might not have worked, but it was similar to first devices from Bell Labs. I think there is no likelihood aliens would need help from us, and no likelihood they crashed or their equipment failed. A technology capable of crossing interstellar space with devices as large as this would be "indistinguishable from magic" (Clarke) and it would be hundreds or thousands of years ahead of anything we could understand -- or make. It would be so reliable there is no chance it would fail catastrophically. That is not to say we could not send probes to other stars. There are already laser, solar wind and other proposed devices that might do that. But the payload would be measured in grams. Hundreds would be sent, and it would take ~30 years to reach the nearest stars. http://spaceref.com/interstellar/relaying-swarms-of-low-mass-interstellar-probes.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot If these aliens wanted to make some equipment, they could do it themselves, easily. They would have universal replicators. That is, machines that can make anything -- another idea Clarke was one of the first to describe. Don't leave Alpha Centauri without one! We are quickly developing such tools. 3-D printers are the first generation. Primitive, of course, and only capable of using one material. Far more advanced ones that can use any element are likely to be available in a few hundred years. A thousand years at most, I expect.
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
One of the more interesting possibilities is that the Visitors do not travel in space but in time. They could be humans from the future who have manipulated their genome to attempt to eradicate the unwanted faults of human nature. But they have discovered that they also eliminated some of the desirable human traits. They are visiting their ancestors who existed prior to the genetic changes to extract DNA to restore those desirable traits.
RE: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
What I wonder about is: What could we possibly have that they would want, that they can’t freely provide for themselves? And How can they have any sort of unified command or enforcement of a Prime Directive since any one of them could reveal their existence in such an obvious fashion as to achieve full disclosure? Think about a single Alien deciding “Disclosure be happenin’ today, bitches”. It doesn’t happen that way. CAUTION: This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization. Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender.
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
Even for those of us seriously doubt (that any ET visitation has occurred in the past history of mankind) - we can nevertheless enjoy speculation about what exactly - such a visitation would look like, if or when it actually happened. This exercise has significant entertainment value, if nothing else. Start with this question - "can ET spell "Poughkeepsie" ? ... and who cares if they can't. Basically, the situation which would logically be the "ET default" - is that alien contact would be "one way" and planned to be unobtrusive to all. Unless we dig much deeper and look along the fringes we find nothing. IOW we should never notice ET contact at all, especially in the form that Hollywood has suggested - but might find it, especially if things (for them) had NOT gone as planned. This reasoning is based on the logic and expectation of of what we earthlings will most likely do in the far future, when we are technologically capable to reach out to the stars. Logic should be the defining issue - not drama. Furthermore, that surely means that an expected need of any putative ET mission, having traversed hundreds of light years of space/time to get here - would logically be to refuel - right? Well this refueling process should be unobtrusive as well - especially if it consists of hydrogen or deuterium. Such a fuel deficit would be able to be met from one of the "gas giants" and earthing would be unaware. Maybe a little palladium, who knows? However if contact with us has occurred - and this is a huge "if" - the situation could be that the ET recon mission would have suffered repairable damage in transit. In that case, the most likely thing ET would need to continue their mission is replacement of advanced chips and electronics. To get these parts, however, they might first need to intervene somehow in the normal process of R on earth by influencing progress and directing it in a certain way to meet their needs, not ours. That would be one way to look at the rapid rise of quantum computing in recent years. In some ways, this progress in an arcane pursuit, with little market incentive, seems to have been "out of the normal context" of historical trends. Thank you IBM. In short, if there was to be a bounty to be offered to "find ET" based on the logic of what they would need from us humans - my bet would be that the best place to look would be in the field of quantum computing and AI, and a good start would be either at IBM or (even more alarming from the US perspective) at the Chinese effort to advance quantum computing... or possibly at the interaction between the two. "Food" for thought? Jones H LV wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS? Food for their pets. Harry
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:54 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > >> > ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS? > > Food for their pets. Harry
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
They are taking the piss. :-) On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 23:59, Robin wrote: > In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 18:53:24 -0400: > Hi Terry, > [snip] > >I hope you are right; however, my research tells me that they are taking > >something from us. And I really don't think they give a hoot about the > >Prime Directive. > > What research, and what do you think they are taking? > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > >
