Re: [Vo]:Directional quantization of an oscillatory magnetic dipole moment associated with a moment of inertia

[H Ucar]

"Only in a static field you can fix the tilt angle not the axes!!! of the
magnetic moment."

This also true for an oscillatory magnetic moment which can oscillate
spatially. The article only considers its time-average. Here is a video of
my early experiment where the orientation of a trapped magnet in air spans
a large space. This effect develops after one minute in this video:

https://youtu.be/oZ0y-a4lO0Y


On Thu, Jul 13, 2023, 20:23 Jürg Wyttenbach  wrote:

> We know since quiet a long time that QM's foundation is based on a lack of
> knowledge about the physical reality. Spin up/down has nothing to do with
> QM states, it's just a picture of the moment of measurement. All particles
> are up/down at the same time as the winding of flux is just a matter of
> definition. Only in a static field you can fix the tilt angle *not the
> axes!!! *of the magnetic moment.
>
> J.W.
> On 13.07.2023 13:51, H Ucar wrote:
>
> This is the article related to a research that I made in early 2021 and
> recently submitted to a preprint server. The below comment summarizes the
> subject.
>
> Hamdi
>
> The Richtungsquantelung (directional quantization) hypothesis leads to the
> Stern-Gerlach experiment in 1922. This experiment shows that a silver atom
> sent with random orientation becomes polarized both in parallel and
> antiparallel orientation with respect to a magnetic field it traverses.
> This result caused serious difficulties within classical physics and shaped
> the emerging quantum mechanics. However in this article 
> (*https://doi.org/10.31219/osf.io/pkusx
> *) titled "Directional
> quantization of an oscillatory magnetic dipole moment associated with a
> moment of inertia", it is shown that a similar result can obtained within
> classical physics if one performs such an experiment with a magnet having
> oscillatory dipole with asymmetry (for example an electromagnet driven by
> an AC but having a DC bias) instead of a permanent magnet. This dual
> alignment behavior is explained with Landau’s Effective Potential model
> which is also used in the Kapitza pendulum (inverted pendulum). This result
> leads to the question whether half spin particles can have rapidly
> oscillating magnetic moments while we are only aware of their time averages.
>
> --
> Jürg Wyttenbach
> Bifangstr. 22
> 8910 Affoltern am Albis
>
> +41 44 760 14 18
> +41 79 246 36 06
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Directional quantization of an oscillatory magnetic dipole moment associated with a moment of inertia

[Jürg Wyttenbach]

We know since quiet a long time that QM's foundation is based on a lack 
of knowledge about the physical reality. Spin up/down has nothing to do 
with QM states, it's just a picture of the moment of measurement. All 
particles are up/down at the same time as the winding of flux is just a 
matter of definition. Only in a static field you can fix the tilt angle 
*not the axes!!! *of the magnetic moment.


J.W.

On 13.07.2023 13:51, H Ucar wrote:
This is the article related to a research that I made in early 2021 
and recently submitted to a preprint server. The below comment 
summarizes the subject.


Hamdi

The Richtungsquantelung (directional quantization) hypothesis leads to 
the Stern-Gerlach experiment in 1922. This experiment shows that a 
silver atom sent with random orientation becomes polarized both in 
parallel and antiparallel orientation with respect to a magnetic field 
it traverses. This result caused serious difficulties within classical 
physics and shaped the emerging quantum mechanics. However in this 
article (_https://doi.org/10.31219/osf.io/pkusx_) titled "Directional 
quantization of an oscillatory magnetic dipole moment associated with 
a moment of inertia", it is shown that a similar result can obtained 
within classical physics if one performs such an experiment with a 
magnet having oscillatory dipole with asymmetry (for example an 
electromagnet driven by an AC but having a DC bias) instead of a 
permanent magnet. This dual alignment behavior is explained with 
Landau’s Effective Potential model which is also used in the Kapitza 
pendulum (inverted pendulum). This result leads to the question 
whether half spin particles can have rapidly oscillating magnetic 
moments while we are only aware of their time averages.


--
Jürg Wyttenbach
Bifangstr. 22
8910 Affoltern am Albis

+41 44 760 14 18
+41 79 246 36 06

[Vo]:Directional quantization of an oscillatory magnetic dipole moment associated with a moment of inertia

[H Ucar]

This is the article related to a research that I made in early 2021 and
recently submitted to a preprint server. The below comment summarizes the
subject.

Hamdi

The Richtungsquantelung (directional quantization) hypothesis leads to the
Stern-Gerlach experiment in 1922. This experiment shows that a silver atom
sent with random orientation becomes polarized both in parallel and
antiparallel orientation with respect to a magnetic field it traverses.
This result caused serious difficulties within classical physics and shaped
the emerging quantum mechanics. However in this article
(*https://doi.org/10.31219/osf.io/pkusx
*) titled "Directional quantization
of an oscillatory magnetic dipole moment associated with a moment of
inertia", it is shown that a similar result can obtained within classical
physics if one performs such an experiment with a magnet having oscillatory
dipole with asymmetry (for example an electromagnet driven by an AC but
having a DC bias) instead of a permanent magnet. This dual alignment
behavior is explained with Landau’s Effective Potential model which is also
used in the Kapitza pendulum (inverted pendulum). This result leads to the
question whether half spin particles can have rapidly oscillating magnetic
moments while we are only aware of their time averages.