Re: [Vo]:STEORN in the news again:

2015-09-15 Thread Analog Fan
On Friday, September 11, 2015 2:59 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
 wrote:

>What I find interesting is that throughout all of these years the company 
>apparently hasn't gone belly up. Despite all of its prior... how should I say 
>this... spectacular failures, how is it possible for Steorn to continue to 
>stay afloat? 


Steorn raised at least ten million euros from investors. According to 
http://moletrap.co.uk/forum/, Steorn's investors are primarily Irish farmers, 
not known for their physics knowledge. This is supported by documents e.g. 
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52869096/Steorn-B10-20110411 where three directors 
named to the board list their occupation as 'farmer'.


Gullible investors can sustain a company for many years (cf Rossi, BLP, EEstor, 
Rohner et al) 
>What comes next? Can somebody please pass the popcorn my way?
  
I am sure those farmers aren't passing any popcorn.



Re: [Vo]:All important product

2015-02-28 Thread Analog Fan
Papp had no product? Au contraire! He had a working atomic submarine and made a 
solo trip from Europe to Canada in 13 hours. He even wrote a book about it. 
Anyone read it?
Hundreds of Fathoms: Who was Josef Papp?

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 On Friday, February 27, 2015 3:31 PM, Lennart Thornros 
 wrote:
   

 Hello Axil, I do not know much about dark matter but I hope your insight is as 
good when it comes to the general statement about inventors. Unfortunately 
there is another factor contributing to the problem (I think it is a problem 
that needs a solution) and that is the factor of secrecy / the patent illusion. 
I also think like you that Mills has no interest in a product rather a nobel 
prize.I hear that LENR is proven and that there is no doubt any longer. As I 
mentioned above I do not have the capacity to evaluate the many theories and 
how they fit with the experiments. I do believe there is something - call it 
overunity, which is proven. However, I have no clear feeling for that COP's of 
10 or even 5 is achieved. Seems all experiments are coming with several 
ambiguous test methods. If the COP is low and the difficulties are large and 
require sophisticated design combined with expensive reactors the breakthrough 
will not come fast.Lots of clever engineering will be required. The only 
solution is a more open and organized effort to do this engineering. For 
inventors a ROssi it might be a catch 22. If he does not give away the 
knowledge to a group big enough to reach result quickly he will not live long 
enough to benefit to an enormous reward and if he share the cake might be 
smaller.I had hoped to  see more action from AR's partners toward a product. 
Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros
www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com 
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648
“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to 
excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM
On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

Rossi is right, the important thing is the product...all else is chatter. 
Without a product, you have nothing.Joe Papp had a working over unity energy 
device a half century ago. The Papp engine was verified, certified, demoed, 
patented, and whatever else was necessary to give his investors a warm feeling 
but Papp never placed his invention into production. Why, because Papp could 
not produce a product and he did not want to produce a product. Producing a 
product is far harder than producing a prototype. Most genius engineers don’t 
want to meet all the regulations and requirements necessary, endure all the 
heartache, feel all the pain necessary to get a product to a buyer.There are 
few Bill Gates and Steve Jobs in this world. Mills makes a good life tinkering 
with his prototypes and writing his theories. He cannot produce a product or 
down deep in his heart he does not want to be bothered with a product and so he 
joins the other chattereres as Rossi is apt to say.



   

Re: [Vo]:Investigation by NC Department of Health into IH/Rossi/Vaughn/etc

2015-02-05 Thread Analog Fan
On Thursday, February 5, 2015 2:38 PM, Jed Rothwell  
wrote:


>It is common knowledge that he is Florida. He is not misdirecting anyone.


Incorrect. Rossi has claimed several times on "JoNP" that he has a team in 
North Carolina Research Triangle Park working with Industrial Heat. The 
specific address shown on this report has also been discussed previously in 
public as the only location that Industrial heat has. He has also mentioned his 
"team" working there.

See Rossi's responses from June 10, July 7, Oct 1, Nov 10th 2014 on 
http://www.rossilivecat.com/all.html e.g.

"Andrea Rossi
July 7th, 2014 at 1:58 PM

Raleigh, North Carolina, USA; in the factory of Industrial Heat, in the heart 
of the Research Triangle, where many mammoth companies have their R&D centers."

In my opinion:

- No lab or plant exists in NC. Either Rossi lied about setting it up, or IH 
shut it down once they figured out Rossi was not credible.


- This is the second time Rossi's been caught in a lie about factory/lab 
locations. (Same thing happened in 2012 in Florida 
http://shutdownrossi.com/certification-licenses-validation-testing/florida-brc-report/)

- There is no way to do the level of research Rossi claims to be doing with any 
sort of team, and yet have no physical facilities to do it in. This points to 
Rossi's entire enterprise being questionable.


-JT Vaughn's response sounds to me like an investor who has realized he needs 
to cover his legal exposure. Even if the venture is a complete writeoff, you 
will never see a statement from them about it - it's the nature of venture 
capital.


- It's a crushing blow to Rossi's credibility but I don't expect Frank Acland 
and the eCat believers to stop believing. Leon Festinger would love this. (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails)

No idea who Gary Wright is, and I can't stand his kooky websites, but kudos to 
him for getting some real 'indipendent' third party data on Rossi.


AF



Re: [Vo]:Electric Car Powered by Salt Water: 920 hp, 373 Miles/Tank

2015-01-31 Thread Analog Fan
I thought the Quant e-Sportlimousine and Mr Nunzio La Vecchia had been 
discussed here before?

Let's look at the history:

- In 2009 Nunzio La Vecchia claimed to have a solar Quant car 38% PV 
efficiency, collected millions from investors and was convicted of fraud.

Energieerzeugung: Wirbel um vermeintliche Wunder-Solarzelle - SPIEGEL ONLINE

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Der wundersame Solarforscher aus Zürich


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 - Earlier, Nunzio La Vecchia conned an elderly woman out of 39 million swiss 
francs in 2001 for another solar scheme, and was convicted of fraud in Swiss 
court.

Nunzio L. (47) erschlich sich 44 Mio von Goldküsten-Grosi: Der falsche Physiker 
und sein Solar-Bschiss | Blick

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- When he's not CEO of some new scheme to defraud, he moonlights as a musician.
https://www.youtube.com/user/nunziolavecchia

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Finally, the pretty car on display is just a body built by Koenigsegg. The 
Tesla drivers forum had this Quant scam figured out five years ago.
Koenigsegg Quant

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This guy makes Rossi look like the Pope!



Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-16 Thread Analog Fan
On Thursday, August 14, 2014 6:43 PM, Jojo Iznart  
wrote:



 
>Why would you assume that the investors would have done lousy due diligence?

I never assume lousy due diligence. But it is fair to wonder how much diligence 
they did do.

It's indisputable that there is 'dumb money' out there - the history of poor 
due diligence on investments is legendary.  I've seen a ~$90 million dollar 
investment fund up close, and you would be surprised at the lack of due 
diligence. I was surprised when the SEC stepped in to reveal the fund was a 
house of cards. 


>Why is it that we always believe that we understand more than the investors
>who would have been up close and personal with the people and scientists at
>BLP and have seen the technologies and prototypes more closely?  

You may as well ask why people do inexplicable things? It's clear that Mills 
has personal charisma and is able to raise money, and that is impressive. But 
in my opinion any sort of scientific or business results look to be extremely 
unlikely at this stage. Mills has raised and spent a lot of money, that's for 
sure. 

The details do not add up to me - for example, why on earth does a company 
involved in speculative research spend millions to buy a fifty thousand square 
foot building in New Jersey, when their team could fit in a smaller leased lab?

493 EDINBURG RD, East Windsor Township owned by BLACKLIGHT REAL ESTATE C/O 
R.MILLS - NJParcels.com New Jersey Property Data

>Let's give BLP some time and credit shall we?

Surely you jest? As I pointed out, they've had 22 years, and yet it is they 
that keep shifting the goalposts. All of this skepticism would cease if they 
had a working product.

AF

  
          
493 EDINBURG RD, East Windsor Township owned by BLACKLIGHT REAL ESTATE C/O 
R.MILLS...
Information regarding Block 5, Lot 3 (493 EDINBURG RD), owned by BLACKLIGHT 
REAL ESTATE C/O R.MILLS in East Windsor Township.  
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Re: [Vo]:BLP picks up another 11 M from investors

2014-08-14 Thread Analog Fan
Raising another $11m is an impressive milestone for BLP. But we've seen this 
before - every few years BLP makes big claims, puts on a demo, does a press 
release, raises money and then vanishes for a few years until more money is 
needed. I do wonder how much due diligence these investors did?


Exhibit A: October 25, 1992

"We're getting 10 times the power out relative to power going in--every hour, 
every day, week after week."  Mills says to expect a "major announcement" 
around year end that his  confidants predict may include the unveiling of a 
prototype 10-kilowatt 
electrical generator.

That's back when BLP was known as HydroCatalysis Corp, and was hot on the heels 
of Pons and Fleischmann!

Exhbit B: May 28, 2008

BlackLight Power, Inc.  today announced the successful testing of a new energy 
source. The company has successfully developed a prototype power system 
generating 50,000 watts of thermal power on demand. Incorporating existing 
industry knowledge in chemical and power engineering, BlackLight Power (BLP) is 
pursuing the immediate design and engineering of central power plants 
utilizing the BlackLight Process. BLP plans on developing pilot plants with 
architecture and engineering firms with anticipated delivery in approximately 
12 to 18 months. 

For twenty two years, it's been the same cycle of claim, hype then silence. 

What I can't understand is where BLP is planning to spend the $11m? Their 
business summary claims "seventeen employees and eight consultants wherein the 
majority of employees and consultants are scientists and engineers"


But LinkedIn lists only Dr Mills, VP Bill Good, two chemical technicians and 
two executive assistants as employees of BLP. At least two of their senior 
research scientists left in the last few years according to their profiles. 


The other possibility perhaps is the other eleven BLP employees are simply too 
embarassed to list BLP on their LinkedIn profiles?


AF




On Thursday, August 7, 2014 5:27 PM, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson 
 wrote:




On Aug 7, over at the BLP web site "What's New"
Link, and at SoCP Randy posted the following statement:

"On July 31, 2014, BlackLight
Power closed on $11 M in private equity financing that was oversubscribed by $1
M."

I never majored in business. I assume the above statement means
BLP just got another 11 M infusion from private investors. I assume the
"oversubscribed" phrase means BLP had actually asked for only 10 M,
but apparently his investors are feeling generous.

Say what you will, but right now I find keeping tabs of
what's happening over at BLP to be a fascinating hobby.

Good luck, Randy. I mean that.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks     



Re: [Vo]:MFMP nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

2014-06-30 Thread Analog Fan
Is this a joke? Actual Nobel nominations are not public. Perhaps garbled by 
translation, it seems the Professor mentioned is merely planning to nominate 
MFMP for the Peace Prize? By the same thought process, he could nominate me for 
one as well, and I would have the same chance i.e. zero.

From http://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/

Are the nominations made public?

The statutes of the Nobel Foundation restrict disclosure of information about 
the nominations, whether publicly or privately, for 50 years. The restriction 
concerns the nominees and nominators, as well as investigations and opinions 
related to the award of a prize.

Re: [Vo]:The AEROPS engine

2014-01-26 Thread Analog Fan
Mr Britt was a man of many talents. I assume he filed this patent after he got 
out of prison on his counterfeiting conviction?


BRITT v. UNITED STATES (1968)

Robert Gordon Britt appeals from his conviction in the United States 
District Court for the Middle District of Florida for counterfeiting.

The appellant was convicted upon trial by jury for unlawfully 
printing six impressions of a $50.00 Federal Reserve Note, in violation 
of 18 U.S.C.A. § 474. He was acquitted on a count which alleged unlawful 
possession of twenty-four aluminum plates bearing impressions in the 
likeness and similitude of a $50.00 Federal Reserve Note, which also is 
proscribed by 18 U.S.C.A. § 474.





On Sunday, January 26, 2014 7:39 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:
 
By the way, Papp also polished the surface of his cylinder wall to high 
reflectivity.



On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Axil Axil  wrote:

http://www.google.com/patents/US3977191
>Atomic expansion reflex optics power optics power source (aerops) engine
>US 3977191 A
>a sealed system engine power source which has no exhaust nor intake ports. The 
>engine includes a spherical hollow pressure chamber which is provided with a 
>reflecting mirror surface. A noble gas mixture within the chamber is energized 
>by electrodes and work is derived from the expansion of the gas mixture 
>against a piston.
>Vortex discussed this engine back in 2010. This engine is an example of how 
>EUV can be used to explode nano-crystals to produce plasma expansion. The same 
>principle of nanoparticle explosion can be used in a catalyzed water vapor 
>based system as demonstrated by Papp.
>In the EUV portion of the spectrum (wavelengths shorter than about 30 nm) 
>nearly all materials absorb strongly, making it difficult to focus or 
>otherwise manipulate light in this wavelength range. Telescopes such as TRACE 
>or EIT that form images with EUV light use multilayer mirrors that are 
>constructed of hundreds of alternating layers of a high-mass metal such as 
>molybdenum or tungsten, and a low-mass spacer such as silicon, vacuum 
>deposited onto a substrate such as glass. Each layer pair is designed to have 
>a thickness equal to half the wavelength of light to be reflected. 
>Constructive interference between scattered light from each layer causes the 
>mirror to reflect EUV light of the desired wavelength as would a normal metal 
>mirror in visible light. Using multilayer optics it is possible to reflect up 
>to 70% of incident EUV light (at a particular wavelength chosen when the 
>mirror is constructed).
>High EUV reflectivity is one reason that Mills uses molybdenum in his system.  
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Mill's theory behind the hydrino

2014-01-24 Thread Analog Fan
The Hydrino Study Group was a group of Mills supporters who spent many years 
trying to understand his math and eventually closed down without reaching any 
sort of resolution (except converting most of them to skeptics).


BLP spun out a separate company to license Mills revolutionary molecular 
modelling software (http://www.millsian.com/) but that also closed down.

And how is Mills doing with the cure for cancer that he published in 1988? 
(http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v336/n6201/abs/336787a0.html)

BLP is the scientific equivalent of the Oak Island Money Pit.



On Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:05 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe 
 wrote:
 
Hi all,

After skimming Mill's book about how he treats the atom physics, I am pretty 
amazed.

Folks, his theory is really accurate, and we should not dismiss it just because 
of the hydrino prediction. He actually calculates the g factor to the same 
level as QED, but he indicates it took two decades of fiddling with the QED 
equations to reach that level of accuracy. So the Math is as right as what we 
can get by using ordinary QED/QM but Mill's math is much more elegant.

One hydrino state is predicted by QED too, but the spinnors are not integrable 
in QED although
probably by combining them lead to an acceptable solution. Also the other 
states may as well be there but it's probably hard to find them because of the 
convoluted math. Also we should expect that these hydrino states have as well 
non integrable spinors. The interesting thing to understand now is what paths 
the QM/Mill's theory allow to go from a normal state to a hydrino state. In a 
sense it is degenerate and it looks like these states are locked. In a sense 
atoms must interact strongly e.g. get really close together and act in a 
precise way in order to mediate
the forming of a hydrino. It is not unlikly that the conditions are very 
special and rarely happens in normal physics/chemistry.

In a sense it's crazy how people treat his work all over the intertubes. They 
say that his results are wacko. It could be that the math is correct but there 
is a some extra conditions for the solutions to be physical, that is missing 
that relates to the integrability conditions for the spinors.

Also if there any serious issues with his math I would like to know, else he 
deserves respect, with or without the hydrino.

/Stefan

Re: [Vo]:Platinum Invests

2014-01-24 Thread Analog Fan
As noted on the comments on Peswiki, the car shown on the Platinum Invests site 
is a Michalak C7, an obscure discontinued German kit car based on the Smart 
ForTwo. Several of the photo's used are stock photographs of the C7 taken from 
http://www.myc7.ch/html/gallery.html. For a cold fusion powered car, it 
certainly has a nice set of double exhaust pipes! 

The plane is a  Horten PUL-10 and the video has been taken from 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to3_zToZrLA.

Also, Google shows multiple fraud complaints against Platinum Invests and Dr. 
Umberto Stranieri. Coincidence?





On Friday, January 24, 2014 7:22 AM, a.ashfield  wrote:
 
Of course many will doubt the free energy claim, but these guys deserve an A 
for effort in building a nifty looking car and plane.
http://pesn.com/2014/01/22/9602427_Platinum-Invests_presents_worlds-first_free-energy-car_and_plane/

Re: [Vo]:Digital Journal reports on Industrial Heat deal with Rossi

2014-01-24 Thread Analog Fan
That's just a copy of the press release.

Anyone else think Darden and Cherokee may have been conned by Rossi? I notice 
their scientific evidence is the previously disputed report from 2013.





On Friday, January 24, 2014 1:25 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
 
See:


http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/1700070

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC? Goodyear blimps to be replaced with zeppelins

2014-01-02 Thread Analog Fan





On Thursday, January 2, 2014 1:34 PM, Jed Rothwell  
wrote:
 

>It is amazing that ZLT is still in business after all this time. 

It's not amazing - they are different companies. The original companies that 
constructed and operated the Hindenburg (Luftschiffbau Zeppelin, DELAG and DZR) 
were dissolved at the end of World War II. They built weapons for the Nazi 
regime, and most of their facilities were destroyed.

>There have not been commercial zeppelins since the Hindenburg as far as I know.
The new company mentioned in the article (Zeppelin Luftschifftechnik GmbH) has 
been making commercial Zeppelins since 1993. Their subsidiary Deutsche 
Zeppelin-Reederei GmbH has been operating tours and charter flights since 2001. 
The new DZR bears no relation to the original DZR that operated during WWII.

AF

[Vo]:The end of EESTOR?

2013-12-10 Thread Analog Fan
After many years, it looks like the EESTOR supercap fiasco is finally coming to 
the bitter end. Zenn just announced their third set of independent test 
results, and it is finally confirmed that the EESU doesn't work, as some have 
suspected all along.

http://www.4-traders.com/ZENN-MOTOR-CO-INC-6499102/news/ZENN-Motor-Company-Announces-Testing-Update-17597220/

"Evans has reported that it has developed testing procedures that measure 
energy-in and energy-out. It has tested the procedures on known capacitors to 
verify reliability and accuracy of the tests. Based on these tests, Evans has 
advised that the EESU layers tested did not show any meaningful levels of 
energy discharge (energy-out)."

For anyone who has followed this fiasco over the years, it's an incredible 
example of inventor self-deception and lack of due diligence, coupled with lax 
Canadian markets which make it easy for predatory 'pump and dump' schemes. 
Despite zero validation, the inventor was already talking up production lines 
back in 2007, and there was many millions of dollars of investment from both 
venture capital and the public markets (via Zenn), plus the involvement of 
credible companies like Lockheed Martin, GM etc. 

Now, a decade after the 'discovery' of the EESU, Zenn is out of money, and 
their stock was halted trading this morning with the release of this news. 
EEstor themselves auctioned off most of their production line equipment on eBay 
earlier this year.

It shows that all the wild claims, wishful thinking and money in the world 
can't change the laws of physics. There are several posters on TheEEstory.com 
who ignored the skeptics and invested their savings in Zenn, and will be left 
holding the bag in the end.

AF



Re: [Vo]:Waltzing Hammers

2013-10-29 Thread Analog Fan
Didn't I read right here on Vortex way back in 2011 that Ampenergo was 
simply a shelf company?

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg57096.html

And subsequently that they went out of business in 2012 as their corporate 
registration lapsed?

https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?1114558

Is Vortex losing its institutional memory?

On another note, according to ECW Rossi's latest venture is subprime 
Florida real estate investments. I can already anticipate Jed's defense of 
Rossi's irrational behavior, but the more time drags on, the less 
credibility the entire fiasco has.

http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/10/rossi-now-in-florida-real-estate-business/

AT


Re: [Vo]:The great thing about Defkalion going public starting Nov 1st

2013-08-13 Thread Analog Fan


>"There are no short opportunities either for this kind of pump and dump."
>
>Read that sentence over to yourself a dozen times or so.   Eventually you'll 
>realize you just logically said A & !A.

Jones analysis is essentially correct. It's very difficult to short Canadian 
pump and dump stocks. Most brokerages will not accept short orders for penny 
stocks. And in general, markets can stay irrational for longer than you can 
stay solvent. It doesn't matter if the stock crashes after you've already had 
to cover a margin call.

On the larger topic, fraud in Canadian OTC/"wildcat" markets is rife, and the 
penalties are few. Canadian exchanges would be the ideal location for a 
fraudulent cold fusion enterprise, and the level of corporate disclosure and 
due diligence is not comparable to US exchanges. I doubt we will get to see 
many details of Defkalion's technology and customers, and I also highly doubt 
that their roadshow includes any actual technology demonstration beyond a 
Powerpoint deck.


BRE-X is the most famous example of a Canadian stock fraud- a $6 billion mining 
company built entirely on elaborate faked test results. After the stock 
crashed, the RCMP eventually dropped all charges and other civil cases failed, 
so nobody went to jail over it. The founder was tracked down years later in the 
Bahamas by armed thugs and died shortly afterwards. It took well over a decade 
for the entire BRE-X story to play out.

The recent sorry tale of Zenn Motors (and their claims for EESTOR) could be 
headed for a similar fate based on the postings at http://theeestory.com

AF

Re: [Vo]:Rossi update

2013-07-10 Thread Analog Fan
Jones, are you seriously suggesting that Rossi's US manufacturing partner is 
...a soap company with 7 employees?!?

http://www.charliesoap.com/companyinfo.html

I thought debunking and ridicule was forbidden on this list?




 From: Jones Beene 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Rossi update
 


 
Although this came out a
year and a half ago, this may identify the company and its CEO
 
http://ecatmotor.com/e-cat-motor-on-techno-map/
 
as … Charlie
Sutherland of Sutherland Products, Inc. in Mayodan, NC, USA.  On the downside,
recent posts of Charlie to JONP give no indication of such a close connection.
It would have to have happened quickly.
 
However, “Mt Airy”
is one place where they would definitely celebrate with Coca-Cola instead of 
Veuve
Clicquot. I suspect that the company is question, if not this one, is probably
similar  - with a factory need for process-heat and a “hands-on”
CEO who can build things.
 
IMO - this is NOT an Elon
Musk, as some have speculated. He will hold out for the HotCat version.
 
From what is online –
it would not surprise me if Charlie (or someone else, possibly in Florida) 
licensed
only the instructions of how to build the a low temperature version of ECat from
Rossi/Ampenergo – since the HotCat is much more valuable. A low temp
version will probably not make it into the home – due to government regulations,
so it will be sold to many companies to make for themselves.

Re: [Vo]:Netherlands food exports

2013-06-09 Thread Analog Fan


>No, the sources are clear. This is the export of food grown in Holland. It 
>does not include food transshipped through.

Here's a source. $55 billion, of which $7b is flowers, and the rest of the 
majority is trans-shipments, according to the USDA.

"World exports in agricultural products totals $622 billion.  The field is 
dominated by the USA, the Netherlands and France, with exports worth $68, $55 
and $46 billion, respectively. Belgium and Luxembourg, export a combined $27 
billion of agricultural products.  More than thirteen percent of global 
agriculture and food export moves through the Benelux’s two main ports, 
Rotterdam and Antwerp, which serve most of Northern and Central Europe. The 
value of world export in horticultural products (plants and flowers, vegetables 
and fruit) is $71 billion.  The Benelux share of this market is substantial, 
roughly 26%, or $19 billion. The Netherlands is a large producer and exporter 
of vegetables and the world’s largest exporter of ornamental plant products, in 
addition to being a major trans-shipment station  for fruit. Meanwhile, Belgium 
has a considerable market share in world export of vegetables and fruit, but in 
reality the majority of the
 trade in fruit is trans-shipments.

World export in plants (live trees and other plants; bulbs; cut flowers and 
ornamental foliage) was $12.4 billion in 2003.  Over sixty percent, or $7.6 
billion worth, was exported via the Netherlands, and the vast majority ($6.3 
billion worth) were Dutch-produced."

 "Netherlands: Agricultural situation". USDA Foreign Agriculture Service. 




Re: [Vo]:Why did Rossi prevent detailed measurement of the power input?

2013-05-26 Thread Analog Fan
Daniel Rocha  wrote:


Has energetics technology ever achieved any success?

No, unless your criteria for success includes 'raising money from Sidney 
Kimmel' and publishing papers.

The lab they opened at the University of Missouri in 2009 has closed, according 
to the UM website at http://muincubator.com/clients.html. Their Internet 
domains are defunct (http://www.energeticstechnologies.com and 
http://superwavefusion.com). As far as I can see, several of the co-authors on 
the paper that Jed quoted have moved on or are unemployed according to LinkedIn 
(e.g. B Khachaturov,V Krakov, T Zilov). Arik El-Boher, the lead author of that 
paper after Dardik himself is now at SKINR at UM, again funded by Kimmel.

As far as I can tell, Dardik's company has gone. Anyone have info to the 
contrary? Is there any recent activity by Dardik on his 'superwave' theory at 
all?

AF

Re: [Vo]:Some info from Steorn's research

2013-04-19 Thread Analog Fan
Steorn might have relevant in 2007 when that video was made. Since then they 
failed to deliver any working devices, disbanded their validation jury and fan 
club, and dumped the Orbo tech in order to pursue overunity water heaters. At 
this point only Sterling Allan takes them seriously.

Logic suggests the skeptics were right all along. The Steorn debacle was 
started by a delusional CEO, precipitated by the dot com meltdown, and 
perpetrated on unsophisticated Irish investors whose area of expertise was 
farming, not science.

The first independent report from July 2007 predicted the outcome exactly:

"My conclusion after going through all this is that Steorn is neither
hoax nor scam.  It is delusion.  The reason it seems surreal is
because it is surreal - we are the real part of someone elses
imagination."

(from http://www.eskimo.com/~eresrch/Steorn/final_report.text)

AF





 From: Hoyt A. Stearns Jr. 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 4:20 PM
Subject: [Vo]:Some info from Steorn's research
 


 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wD6gT3QIlpY
 
http://www.steorn.com/orbo/papers/jm-rice-report-28april-2008.pdf
 
http://www.steorn.com/orbo/papers/Exploration_of_BH_Time_Effects_STRN-TR-APR-0001-0001.pdf
http://www.steorn.com/orbo/papers/asymmetry-and-energy-in-magnetic-systems-rev-1.0.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Analog Fan
How could anyone be surprised that there is negativity towards Sterling's 
capers?

As you pointed out, this is exactly the same as countless free energy scams 
Sterling has been involved with. The South African trip, Perendev, Mylow, 
Intelligentry, Green Power - you name it, Sterling's fallen for it. I've been 
reading his site for years and just when I think Sterling couldn't be fooled 
again, he is.

Sterling raised ~$4000 for his supporters for this trip, with talk of extended 
videos and validations, and some 'investigative journalism' of the amazing 
Yildiz magnet motor that will usher in the new age of free energy. Instead all 
we get is weak excuses and useless videos, plus a motor that barely works 
powering a 30 watt fan for a few hours. This is the second time Sterling has 
done this recently, with his South African trip coming to mind as a similar 
boondoggle where he raises money then absolutely fails to deliver. It's not 
science or journalism - it's more akin to uncritical fandom for free energy.

As this point, Sterling is an increasingly depressing example of the perils of 
magical thinking, which is unfortunately so common. His continual boosterism 
has crossed the line from an interest to a pathological obsession. As 
Sterling's personal finances teeter closer to bankruptcy (he posts them on the 
site), he appears to be willing to do and say anything to promote the illusion 
of free energy just around the corner. Apart from his fervent belief in the 
supernatural (e.g. he believed due to numerology he would be president in 2004 
- see http://www.greaterthings.com/Word-Number/People/SDA_President_04), he has 
also had several emotional breakdowns on PES video's recently, and it saddens 
me to see he is unable to put aside his obsessions and realize that he really 
needs professional help at this point.

His BS filter is so broken that he doesn't appear to do any research at all on 
the schemes he promotes, nor does he follow up with previous schemes. A recent 
example is the Nigerian inventor Gabriel Ohiochioya Obadan and his Cogar 
'reactor' posted last week. The first hit on Google for that name is a recent 
SEC document illustrating the inventors involvement in a $1m scam, but Sterling 
(a) didn't do the research and (b) removed comments pointing this out on his 
blog. Extremely troubling.

An older example is the 'sponsorship' of PESwiki by Green Power/Michael 
Spitzauer several years ago, where Sterling was directly paid by one of these 
schemes. Although there is a vague warning now on the PESwiki page for Green 
Power, Sterling never mentioned that Spitzauer had a previous history of fraud 
and deception (e.g. a six year prison sentence in Austria in 1992 for fraud, 
and another $1m in fraud in Seattle as shown in this 1997 article  
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970929&slug=2563209) 
and Green Power Inc ended up bankrupt in 2011 
(http://www.thenewstribune.com/2013/01/17/2438485/port-of-pasco-to-sell-parts-from.html).
 Spitzauer raised $20m for Green Power, much of which came from unsophisticated 
'Mom and Pop' investors in rural Washington, and Sterling directly benefited 
from the proceeds.

As for Yildiz and his 'motor', he's been working this story for 33 years 
allegedly. The trail of broken promises looks exactly like every other similar 
story on PESwiki, and will end the same way.


AF



- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene 
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

It is a surprise that there is quite a bit of negativity on vortex for this
demo. 

That skepticism could be related to the 5 or 6 other similar claims on
Sterling Allan's PESN site which show signs of scam or trickery, but what is
specific problem with this one ? ... A noted professor (Duarte) has been
allowed to check for hidden batteries or motor - and says there is no
trickery.

Magnetic fields store energy, not a lot of energy compared to chemical, but
it takes energy to align magnetic polarities and this amounts to stored
spin-energy. I’m not sure that the energy density of a magnet can be
compared to chemical energy from a battery in a meaningful way - yet it is
still stored energy. If the magnetic field itself can used for "fuel" in the
sense of energy extraction, and this demo indicates that it can – then when
we recognize that it is notably NOT a heat engine, we can rationalize the
apparent low energy density. If the operation is not covered by the laws of
thermodynamics, then the work which was done could simply have been done in
more efficient manner, to wit: magnetic spin going to a "spin sink" which is
torque, avoiding heat as the intermediary. 

Most chemical reactions, as in a battery - operate as heat engines. Yildiz's
motor produces almost no heat (only friction at the bearings). But the
system could still be conservative in the context of another kind of 

Re: [Vo]:Elon charging up VW ?

2013-03-16 Thread Analog Fan


> http://elonmusktesla.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/first-vw-ev-to-be-launched-thi
> s-autumn/
>
> Why is Elon giving VW a bit of free PR?

That's not an official Elon Musk blog. It's just a random SEO trap, which 
obviously works. There are multiple articles that have zero to do with Tesla.