Re: [Vo]:Third suspect in Mallove murder
Jed, Thank you for posting this. Even though I didn't know Gene that well, he touched my life with his sincerity and dedication. How anyone like that could go what is described here is just unfathomable. A part of me almost wishes the conspiracy folks were right; at least his death would have made some sense. My heart goes out to his family and friends. Debbie On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > See: > > > http://www.norwichbulletin.com/carousel/x1555988219/Police-have-3rd-suspect-in-Eugene-Mallove-killing > > I can barely bring myself to read about this, even now. I simply cannot > imagine how Gene's family feels. > > - Jed > > >
Re: [Vo]:[OT]Osama Bin Laden Morte
He probably used an iPhone. (Forgive mebut I had to.) Debbie On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Terry Blanton > wrote: > >> By US forces. > > > > Killed in an Islamabad mansion? Interesting. > > Taken out by special forces ground operation. I wonder who was protecting > him? > >
Re: [Vo]:New from Larsen
Finally, spectral data to look at! I can show this to some of the ten-pound heads I work with - one of whom is well-recognized in the neutron detection field...if I can get him to take this seriously. If I could get the actual data, I have several state of the art tools I can use to analyse gamma spectra and neutron signatures, and perhaps even neutron spectra. I have been out of the loop with what's been going on lately, so if such data has come to light and I missed it, I apologise. Is there any spectral data (raw, not in presentation form) available yet? Debbie On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:37 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > When I look at Larsen's slide show the graphics that always intrigue > me are the ones shown on plate 14 pertaining to "Five-peak > mass-spectrum: ULM neutron 'fingerprint' - l" ...What Larsen > proponents call the 'smoking gun'. > > The findings would seem to suggest that there might be some physical > evidence to back up their claim. (However, I'm not qualified to pass > judgment, yea or nay.) What are the prevailing thoughts on what is > actually being represented here? IS this possibly a 'smoking gun'? And > if not, why not? >
Re: [Vo]: shrinking felines
Wouldn't any pussy (cat) on this list be named Schrödinger? :) On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 7:21 AM, .:.gotjosh wrote: > > hope we can also manage to reverse engineer these hot felines along the > way. > >
Re: [Vo]:Happy Pi Day!
Joe, I just read about Tau-ism, and must contemplate my feelings about it. I have a VERY emotional attachment to pi...after all, it is my (online) hockey jersey number. (I have been called irrational on occasion, especially on the ice.) The idea of tau intrigues me...no more 2*pi radians, just tau radians. There's an elegance to it that appeals to the mathemagician in me. And yet, the simplest derivation of tau really does stem from pi. There are (countably) infinitely many ways to compute pi (and hence tau), so now I must look at some of those derivations. Does using tau make them simpler, or more complicated? Ah, elegancethe bain of the mathemagician. The only thing I won't give up for elegance is decimal points. (To you engineers: For the love of [insert deity here], at least use an approximation symbol, NOT an equals, when you absolutely MUST round off.) Debbie <--- glorying in HER day on the ice :) On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Dr Josef Karthauser wrote: > On 14 Mar 2011, at 16:42, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > > At 07:10 AM 3/14/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: > >> 3.14 > >> Thought we needed a smile. > > > > This afternoon you have a second chance for: > > > > 3/14 1:59:26 > > Myself, I'm waiting for Tau day :) > >http://tauday.com/ > > Joe > >
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out...
I totally agree. On Mar 10, 2011 2:10 PM, "peatbog" wrote: >> Please, forward to the Liberally Unstable. > You,,, yes you! >> the so-called people of this country, who continually construe > > > CALLING BILL BEATTY!! > > This OT stuff is getting out of hand. >
Re: [Vo]:Off Topic: Wisconsin Republican Senators create an unprecedented out...
Loren, I bet you're a huge fan of tea. Methinks you have stumbled into the wrong group here. Perhaps the blinders are not allowing you to see the very well-marked door. Debbie On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:39 PM, wrote: > Please, forward to the Liberally Unstable. > Bye now. > Your friend (always?)Loren > >
Re: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?
I just had to chime in here, after reading this entire thread. I am amazed at how many of you have been so patient. Then again, I had a few that were that patient with me when I first paid attention to "weird science" too. My experience with "septicism" goes back a few years. I am not positive, but seem to remember that one of my favourite quotes originated from Chris Tinsley; or at least he used it several times. Forget pearls, pigs just look puzzled. "Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. You will only frustrate yourself, and annoy the pig." This is not analogous to any particular person, merely a stepping back to look at what is really going on. If the assumptions made by any one person are not divulged - i.e., their background, interests in the field, experience, etc. - then you can rest assured there is a reason. They might, perhaps, be recognised. That would never do! Debbie On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax > wrote: > > > I'm no longer writing for you, Cude. Ignore my posts if you like. > > > > Let us know if you have something substantive to say, beyond repeating > your > > canned bluster. > > May whatever Deity is yours bless you Abd. I am amazed at your > patience and perseverance. > > I recognized JC's P-S style from Bill Murray's illegal crossposts and > chose to not engage JC. Oh, Rich, not Bill. > > "Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and > beat you with experience." > > T > >
Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device
If you want a natural emitter that would do a burst that would saturate a small NaI detector, that's easy. You would have to have access to something like a Cs137 or Co60/Co57 source, or even something as common as Tc99m, but any medical imaging facility or drilling outfit would have something. The trouble is, each of those have very distinctive spectra that any detector with identification capability would recognise immediately. Most of the strong sources (that wouldn't get you in trouble with the big guys at DHS) have medical or industrial uses. He could have just bought a LOT of kitty litter or bananas (yes, a BIG LOT), and thrown a lead blanket over the pile and removed it just before showing in the room! Handheld detectors are not designed to see really large sources at close range. I bet if I ask the right people I can find out what it would take, based on easily-acquired sources, to saturate a handheld NaI detector. But if, instead of a burst, you get a collected spectrum, I can *tell* you what it is, with very high confidence. That is information, not data. We have lots of data, but very little information. It is very frustrating that someone with an ID-capable detector didn't collect something. Debbie On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > From: albedo5 > > > > If we had a spectrum, we would know what it was - or more to the point, > what it wasn't. > > I really, REALLY want a spectrum. Just one. > > > > > > Hmm … could it be simply a matter of deduction ? > > > > … connect the dots with Celani being specifically the only party being > disallowed, his earlier Cincinnati group replication paper (which Rossi must > have read), the range of common signatures that are possible for Celani to > have identified with a portable NaI meter, even if allowed, and the fact > that to produce power for $.01/kWhr, a natural emitter instead of an > expensive isotope would need to be used… > > > > … how many possibilities are there to chose from ? > > > > > > >
Re: [Vo]:Revised version Celani reports on gamma emission from Rossi device
If we had a spectrum, we would know what it was - or more to the point, what it wasn't. I really, REALLY want a spectrum. Just one. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > On 02/17/2011 03:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > ... I meant you do not have to trust Rossi. You do have to trust Levi, > Celani and Dufour and some other people. They might be conspiring together > to fool us. If they can keep a secret, it would be easy for them to fool > us. I have no actual proof that the demonstration even took place. The video > might have been staged, and the data invented out of whole cloth. If you > think that Levi, Celani and the others might do such a thing, then you have > no reason to believe any of this is true. I doubt they would, because it > would be out of character, and there does not seem to be a motive. > > > This reminded me of something which has been bothering me. > > According to Celani, observers were not allowed into the room until the > experiment began to "work": > > > The device did not work at first. He and others were waiting impatiently in > a room next to the room with the device. > > ... > > About 1 to 2 minutes after this *[gamma ray burst]* event, Rossi emerged > from the other room and said the machine just turned on and the > demonstration was underway. > > > Why was that? It seems very strange. In particular, it leaves us > speculating, entirely in the dark, as to exactly what was going on in the > room at the moment when the burst of gamma radiation was detected. That > burst of gamma rays has been taken as being highly significant, as it > indicated *something* besides chemistry was happening. > > However, since nobody who was present where the burst was detected also saw > what was going on in the demo room at that moment, there is no way to rule > out the possibility that the gamma burst was also "staged", with Rossi's > entrance announcing the start of the show carefully timed to come just after > the burst, to make it appear to have been an emission produced by the device > when it "started". > > Without more information as to what was going on just before the "show", I > don't think that particular speculation is all that far-fetched. (Or is it > terribly difficult to produce a radiation burst, possibly with a small > source in a lead box? I'm assuming it would have been easy for Rossi to do > that. Perhaps that's not true.) > >
Re: [Vo]:Comments by Duncan, Celani at ICCF16
I would SO love to get a spectrum to analyse - along with detector details, of course. I really think that would tell a better story. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Ø Bottom line: what signature, even if fully known, could be so > revealing that it would really matter for a patent which is already filed? > > > > OK – delayed flash of the old memory banks … > > > > … yes, there is one detail from the recent past that does come to mind, > which might show up as “revealing”. Anyone who follows LENR would have > known. But it is relative to the “Rusi affair” at Purdue (will not attempt > to spell the last name, but you know what I am referring to). > > > > In that sonofusion experiment, the reactor was “seeded” with a small amount > of radioactive isotope emitter. I think it was californium but it does not > matter, but whether it was fully disclosed or not became the issue. The > purpose of the ‘seed’ was as a trigger. > > > > My personal belief is that a small seed (tiny - micrograms) can alter the > “probability field” for QM in such a massive way that gigantic effects will > follow - but that was not exactly Rusi’s claim. He merely found that it > worked, and he may or may not have adequately disclosed it up front, > depending on who’s side you are on. > > > > No one doubts that the end effect on the sonofusion neutron emission was > many orders of magnitude more than the seed could have accounted for ( 4 > orders more, if memory serves). > > > > Anyway, moving on - could Rossi have seeded his reactor in the same way? > > > > Yes, that would be revealing ! > > > > Many medical tracer isotopes would have been available for this purpose. > The probability field for QM is poorly understood. However, as a practical > matter, why not include it in the patent to begin with? > > > > This reaffirms the belief of many of us who read the patent in the context > of thousands of other patents over the past 50 years in energy - that > Rossi’s is among the poorest drafted patents of all time, and in the end, it > will provide him zero protection anyway (at least in the USA). > > > > The irony is that adding a “seed” to a Focardi style experiment could be > patentable in itself – so WHY NOT PATENT IT FROM THE START? After all, this > could be his one and only big advance. > > > > Jones > > > > >
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion
Horace, I've been around for quite awhile, I'm just usually quiet. Chris Tinsley drug me here kicking and screaming...or was it Terry? Anyway, that was, oh, 15 years ago? :) I missed a few years here and there. The irony is that I'm actually working in this field now - helping to design requirements for a tripwire-type radiation detector (gamma, and possibly neutron) for all law enforcement officers and first responders - or that's the idea, anyway. So I'm learning nuclear physics kinda backwards. At least the physicists I work with understand I'm a mathemagician, NOT a nuclear physicist. I met Chris - and Sue too, even though I didn't know it at the time - in London in 1997. Chris immediately attempted to embarrass me from the podium he was speaking from. He almost did it, too :) Thanks for the welcome. I'll be lurking and chiming in once in awhile. It'll be nice to actually contribute something here someday! Debbie On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Horace Heffner wrote: > > On Jan 28, 2011, at 6:03 PM, albedo5 wrote: > > Oh, that's great! You *have* known Terry a long time. :) With him, it > would be a tossup between aliens and high heels, methinks. > > > I feel confident they are not mutually exclusive. 8^) > > > > That makes my back hurt too, but for a different reason. At least they're > the right colour. > > > > Debbie > > > ROTFL! > > I don't recall a female on vortex-l since Sue Seddon. Welcome aboard! > > Best regards, > > Horace Heffner > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/<http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/> > > > > >
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion
Oh, that's great! You *have* known Terry a long time. :) With him, it would be a tossup between aliens and high heels, methinks. That makes my back hurt too, but for a different reason. At least they're the right colour. Debbie On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: > Having Known Terry for a long time, I expect Lynch shoes might be of more > interest than Byrne coffee cups: > > (Warning! Don't look if erotica offends): > > *http://tinyurl.com/4b3osvb* > * > * > Best regards, > > Horace Heffner > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/<http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/> > > > > On Jan 28, 2011, at 2:37 PM, albedo5 wrote: > > Don't you mean David Byrne? > > http://www.1stincoffee.com/alien-byrne-cups.htm > > (I still have one.) > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Jones Beene wrote: >> >> > Could Rossi be from the future? >> >> No, David Lynch. >> > > > Best regards, > > Horace Heffner > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/<http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/> > > > > >
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion
Don't you mean David Byrne? http://www.1stincoffee.com/alien-byrne-cups.htm (I still have one.) On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > > Could Rossi be from the future? > > No, David Lynch. >
Re: [Vo]:Celani's report on Rossi January 14 test
It seems I spend most of my waking hours lately analysing spectra, with handheld detector characterisation a close second. It's a good thing I have such great toys to do it with. I recently dreamed about daughter isotopes prancing around a lovely neutron waterfall, with Bremsstrahlung providing the background music. Now THAT is scary. Interestingly enough, one of the detector materials I've had to delve into lately is NaI. I suspect I have the detector definition used in at least one application, so if there's anything to be found, I can dig it out (with some serious help). I'm writing a white paper right now describing a numerical method I created to match detector resolution parameters with Gaussian broadening parameters, with NaI being one of the materials. It keeps me off the streets, and it also pays well. :) I'd love to finally contribute something here! Debbie On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:51 PM, albedo5 wrote: > > > > If he wants the spectrum he did get analyzed, I can get this done in > several > > different ways. > > Oh, so now you are a nuclear scientist. I'll have to change your moniker. > > (N)T > >
Re: [Vo]:Celani's report on Rossi January 14 test
You could probably see neutrons, if any were emitted - if the detector has a neutron capability, of course. Even if you see them, you now know a neutron emitter is present, nothing else. So the chances of seeing anything useful other than high-energy gammas is really pretty low. The algorithms that identify components within a spectrum are rather sophisticated, though. Hope springs eternalas always. On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > *From:* albedo5 > > > > … Chances are the "secret" may not be a gamma emitter at all, but it's > worth a go. > > With a lead-shielded reactor it is doubtful that any radiation other than > gammas could be detected. > > > > >
Re: [Vo]:Celani's report on Rossi January 14 test
Jed, If he did a spectrum measurement for "a few minutes", he should have a decent sampling. This depends on the detector, of course, but all handhelds that I've dealt with (which is a limited sample) are designed for rapid detection/spectra collection. NaI isn't the best detector material, but it should be adequate. Usually the detector stores the last spectrum collected. If he wants the spectrum he did get analyzed, I can get this done in several different ways. Chances are the "secret" may not be a gamma emitter at all, but it's worth a go. Is there any chance he a) still has the spectrum he did collect, and b) would be willing to share it? Debbie On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > [Francesco gave me permission to distribute this.] > > Dear Colleagues, > [...] > > * It was assembled also a twin gamma ray detector in order to detect e+e- > annihilation: this time almost no results. > Focardi was confident that they will get large amounts of such signal, as > in previous experiment. > This time the counts were close to background for coincidences and only > some uncorrelated signal were over background. > > * I bring a gamma detector, battery operated, 1.25" NaI(Tl). Energy > range=25keV-2000keV. > I measured some increase of counts near the reactor (about 50-100%) during > operation, in a erratic (unstable) way, in respect to background. > I decided to move the gamma detector from "counts" to "spectra" mode. After > few minutes Eng. Rossi realised that I was trying to identify something > "secret" inside the reactor: I was forced to stop the measurements. > > [...] > Francesco CELANI > >
Re: [Vo]:More on Ni-H LENR
NT, Ah, nothing like the glory of Atlanta in the snow. :) It's been awhile since I've seen that - probably too long. I had a lovely shepherd's pie on New Year's Eve, at a glorious little Irish pub in Arlington with my wayward son, back from Kabul for the last time, or so he claims. This journey to being a nuclear scientist/engineer is NOT easy; being a rocket scientist was simple compared to this. I'm at least absorbing more that I read on here, and understanding why my initial question* isn't a trivial one. Nature is SO much more complicated than mathematics. At least I no longer dream of daughter isotopes frolicking in the ether! -RS +NP *You know - why can't you tell if it's a nuclear reaction or not? Isn't that obvious? Quick answer - NO. On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > > Thanks. Brrr... Not much heat in the Lamb shift. > > > > ... guess that's why lambs-eat-oats ... > > I was a little bored. I've been answering physics questions on > answers.yahoo.com. > > Shepard's pie would be good now, cold or not. We have seven inches of > snow and it's covered with a 1/4 inch of sleet. > > T > >
Re: [Vo]:The Spill
T, You *really* need to get out more...that's what you do for fun on a Saturday night?? On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Oops! The tool shaft just broke. I hope they have a spare. It's a > long way to the DeWalt store! > > T > > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 8:56 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > > One of the studs is so damaged that they are using a rotary burnishing > > tool to try to shape it so that the wrench will fit over it. > > > > I think we have a potential video game here for engineers. :-) > > > > T > > > > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Terry Blanton > wrote: > >> It is absolutely fascinating watching the robots try to loosen large > >> nuts holding a pipe collar in place using hydrolic wrenches. The > >> appear to have two different devices. > >> > >> They have successfully loosened one. Amazing patience by these > operators! > >> > >> It seems that if the collar is removed, the might really be able to > >> seal the pipe. > >> > >> It's giving me an anxiety headache. > >> > >> T > >> > >> > > > >
Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Another Tinsley story
I miss Chris and Soo. :(
Re: [Vo]:More Abductions
>>The rest of us can chose to dismiss such accounts and experiences as being ridiculous or as nothing more than harmless psychological aberrations... but I think we do so at our own loss.<< I agree with your words almost completely, but therein lies the rub. For me. I've investigated many accounts of alleged alien abductions, mostly in the 90s. I've heard some amazing stories, many of which I cannot relate because I promised never to say a word. Most of these stories - way over 90% - can be fairly quickly dismissed as personal interpretations of some kind. I am not denigrating the people I talked to; my mantra during those days was, "I believe that they believe these things happened". But there is, as usual, a small core of stories I've heard that cannot be dismissed. The people relating these tales do not want publicity - they shun it. They just want to know what happened to them to disrupt their lives. In most of these cases, the people had no connection with the UFO believers, and did not want to accept that something this outrageous could happen. (Our) Terry has gone a long ways towards convincing me there is something happening out there, to a very small portion of the population, that does not fit into the reality we expect. It may be governmental, or extraterrestrial, or perhaps it is just some sort of tie-in to the collective unconscious (perhaps a short circuit in the Matrix?). I finally have accepted at a very fundamental level that if it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck, it might still not be a duck...but only a fool will walk away without considering it just might be a duck. Little would please me more than to have that small set of experiences definitively explained. The explanation is almost irrelevant; just having one would help my sleep patterns.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] H1N1 Synchronicity
Are you truly incapable of answering a simple question, grok? Inquiring minds wanna know now. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 4:25 PM, grok wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > As the smoke cleared, OrionWorks > mounted the barricade and roared out: > > > You sure don't sound like a very happy person to me. Perhaps it > > explains why you have dodged the previous question: "What makes you > > happy, Grok?" > > What really IS amazing is how you people consistently dodge the very real > issue of the pseudo-democracies known as the U.S.A./NATO having become > pretty much full-fledge police states. The ad hominem tack you invariably > resort to, instead, is really kinda pathetically ludicrous. > > It's a shame OU and CF et al. are all tied up in politix (and will be, > for the interim). That fact makes these exchanges pretty nigh > unavoidable. Anywhere there's real and honest debate, that is. > > > - -- grok. > > > > > > > > - -- > Build the North America-wide General Strike. > > TODO el poder a los consejos y las comunas. > TOUT le pouvoir aux conseils et communes. > ALL power to the councils and communes. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkn7WqIACgkQXo3EtEYbt3H2iQCgoYFAnsrVQjMgMVgk4hPI8x/l > Lp8AoOYoXqaBT6FAQUH/Y55OK9VV4N9F > =/AhK > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > >
