[Vo]: Joe Cell Running
Trying again. It bounced on gmail: Well here's the setup: http://www.geocities.com/terry1094/JC_Setup_small.JPG It's being fired by a wall wart rated at 6VDC which is actually putting out 9VDC with considerable ripple. Probably just a xfmr and a rect. Only the end plates are energized. The one facing the camera is the anode. The container is a teflon coated bread pan confirmed to be fully electrically insulated. It holds roughly 1/2 gal of water with the cell. There was no current flow in the cell until I poured in the distilled water and I immediately saw it rise to 0.8 mA. After 5 min. it was up to 1.5 mA and seemed fairly steady. I'm keeping a log. I plan to charge the water for 1 week if I can keep the cats out of it. There will be plenty available if Vorts want a sample. Terry PS Interesting note: After about 10 min., the only bubble formation was on the anode near the base at the teflon. Aggregrated microbubbles?
[Vo]: Water Cell Ready
I am having trouble posting. I hope this makes it through at least once: You can view the 16 plate cell at: http://www.geocities.com/terry1094/JC1.JPG I am open to suggestions on how to proceed. Each plate has dual electrodes; so, many configurations are possible. If I don't hear from anyone, tomorrow I will energize only the end anode and cathode plates submersed in distilled water for one week to replicate Jones' effort. I have also purchased some small two-cycle engines to test for combustion independent of petrol. :-) http://www.geocities.com/terry1094/JC2.JPG Terry
Re: [Vo]: For Joe Cell Lovers 8-)
-Original Message- From: Grimer The key to understanding is to recognise that in terms of Di-Phase Theory the SOLID PHASE is in a state of compression and the FLUID PHASE is in a state of tension. Well, I'm not very patient. Is the 'Legasse' in equilibrium? Terry
[Vo]: Re: Joe's To Go
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene JB: Along with about half of Wales, but hey ... what's wrong with a bit of inbreeding? TB: What choice do you have on an island? JB: BTW, a small Teflon-coated cooking pot, placed over a large speaker magnet seems to be working, as there is a slight expansion of the water level and no electrolysis gases being released. I suppose this is what one wants. The circulation caused by the magnet might be an important feature ... or not. Expansion means lower density - and ergo: possible nanobubbles, right? No evidence of an increase in viscosity yet. We will see. TB: You have to flying sauciers? Or have you abandoned the control? JB: Are you underway, Terry-Joe? TB: Yes, but what's the point of replicating your work if that's all that is needed to make the fuel? Maybe I should pursue another approach. I have an idea. Here's my approach. I gathered the materials: http://www.geocities.com/terry1094/Materials.JPG Note that I plan to use teflon tape to insulate the threaded rods from the plates. I am using a 3M adhesive to assemble the plates. The adhesive comes in a roll and is similar to double-sided adhesive foam. I attach conductors to one side of the adhesive (two conductors per plate for reliability . . . color-coded, BTW): http://www.geocities.com/terry1094/Connection.JPG I attach adhesive only (no conductor) to the other side of the next plate: http://www.geocities.com/terry1094/Adhesive.JPG You can see that the adhesive is clear when the red backing is removed; but, it maintains its structure keeping the plates electrically separated. I then carefully align the plates and press and voila! http://www.geocities.com/terry1094/Assembly.JPG With this assembly, I can test Denny Klein's idea by applying voltage only to the outside plates. Or I can apply any voltage to any and all plates or no voltage to any plate. I should finish today. Whaddya think? Got an idea for a new protocol? Or should I try Denny Klein's approach of only electrolyzing with the outside plates? http://hytechapps.com/ I wouldn't know how to test if the resulting Aquygen gas was anything other than H2 + O2, however. Suggestions anyone? Terry
Re: [Vo]: Re: Joe's To Go
TB: You have to flying sauciers? Or have you abandoned the control? That should read two flying sauciers. Really ruins the pun :-(
Re: [Vo]: Re: Joe's To Go
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene The problem as always - in gauging the efficiency for H2 generation is in measuring the volume of the gas produced as well as its BTU content. How do you plan to do that? Well, that's why I said: I wouldn't know how to test if the resulting Aquygen gas was anything other than H2 + O2, however. Suggestions anyone? :-) Terry
[Vo]: Re: Casimir effect
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder The thought police might arrest me for thinking this: What appears as repulsion may actually be self-attraction. According to the standard inflationary theory, 70% of the cosmos is composed of negative energy which is repulsive. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Re: Joe's To Go
-Original Message- From: thomas malloy Looks like a Brown's Gas generator to me. That's what I initially thought until Fred Sparber pointed out that many of the parallel plates within the electrolyzer are not connected to either the anode nor the cathode. This implies something else might be ahappenin'. Terry
Re: [Vo]: OffTopic: Male Pride and Female Prejudice
-Original Message- From: Terri So, how can you 'know'? Remote viewing? Speaking of RV, Frances: http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=11436 http://tinyurl.com/kcrbj Remote viewing paths could lead to breakthrough event Steve Hammons July 12, 2006 Remote viewing could soon lead to something greater than simply using our natural sixth sense to gather information and intelligence as well as improving our understanding of our surroundings. One day soon, we might find that phenomena like remote viewing will lead us to a significant breakthrough that will change the world. The technique called remote viewing reportedly taps into the human unconscious and the deeper levels of energy. The physics of remote viewing allows people to reach greater awareness about many things, perhaps including other dimensions of our natural world that we normally don't pay full attention to. more I vaguely recall a Beta-atm explanation of Psychic Abilities, or was I dreaming? Terry
[Vo]: Joe's To Go
Okay, I have my SS plates from Home Despot, my nuts and rod. Plenty of distilled and deionized water. I'm only doing 16 plates since all I want is something to microwave per Jones' suggestion. I will begin assembly this weekend. I have two 12 VDC batteries and can charge them at either 12 or 24 VDC. So, Jones, which protocol should I try first? No electrolyte/no voltage? I'm your lackey! Terry (whose middle name is Joe!)
Re: [Vo]: Re: Re: Joe's To Go
yeah, caught that -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 12:39:46 -0700 Subject: [Vo]: Re: Re: Joe's To Go Terry - oops you know where to substitute amps for volts in the previously garbbled message, being the good EE
[Vo]: Re: Joe's To Go
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene Dinner guest will call it dynamite. If anything changes, I will post directly to you to avoid taking up bandwidth on what could be little more than a cooking lesson ... No, please, let's keep it on the list. Bloody list hasn't seen any experimentation in ages. Patent US6743467 sez: BACKGROUND ART Hydrophobic coatings are water-proof coatings which have immediate uses in reducing icing and fouling of other surface. Such coatings can also render protected surfaces resistant to attachment by water soluble electrolytes such as acids and alkalies, and by microorganisms. In the past, surfaces have been protected against encrustation, corrosion, icing and fouling by means of coatings containing polymer films, hydrophobic solid fillers and hydrophobic liquids. One disadvantage of the use of such coatings is that they do not achieve multi-purpose protection since they are not generally versatile enough to protect against damage from a variety of causes. It is well understood that the wettability of various materials is dependent on both the physical and chemical heterogeneity of the material. The notion of using the contact angle .theta. made by a droplet of liquid on a surface of a solid substrate as a quantitative measure of the wetting ability of the particular solid has also long been well understood. If the liquid spreads completely across the surface and forms a film, the contact angle .theta. is 0.degree.. If there is any degree of beading of the liquid on the surface of the substrate, the surface is considered to be non-wetting. For water, the substrate surface is usually considered to be hydrophobic if the contact angle is greater than 90.degree.. Examples of materials on which liquid droplets have high contact angles include water on paraffin, in which there is a contact angle of about 107.degree.. Many applications require a hydrophobic coating with a high contact angle of at least 150.degree., and preferably at least 165.degree.. A gel is a substance that contains a continuous solid skeleton enclosing a continuous liquid phase. The liquid prevents the solid from collapsing, and the solid prevents the liquid from escaping. The solid skeleton can be formed by linking colloidal particles together. The present inventors have now developed methods for producing materials which, when coated on a surface, render that surface hydrophobic. What is meant by 'contact angle'? Is this the slope of the water bead at the surface of the hydrophobic material? (Note: these inventors are Aussies. One is named Jones.) Terry
Re: [Vo]: Wormholes and Orbital Days Inn
-Original Message- From: Terry Robert Bigelow's projects are always out there. http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9533-model-of-inflatable-space -hotel-set-to-launch.html http://tinyurl.com/gt29y Model of inflatable space hotel set to launch 20:46 11 July 2006 An inflatable spacecraft designed to test technology for a future space hotel is to be launched from Russia on Wednesday. Everything is on track and scheduled for launch, Robert Bigelow told New Scientist in a prepared statement. Bigelow is the founder of Bigelow Aerospace in Las Vegas, Nevada, US, which is behind the inflatable test vehicle. It worked! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060714/ap_on_sc/private_space_station
Re: [Vo]: OffTopic: Male Pride and Female Prejudice
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder Male Pride and Female Prejudice Doesn't matter, men are unneeded: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_ id=395242in_page_id=1770 http://tinyurl.com/htem7 Sorry chaps, but you're utterly redundant 23:38pm 11th July 2006 Her name was Frances Swiney, a feminist whose vision for the sisterhood and humanity was more than a trifle extreme. She thought men were the waste products of the reproductive process and wanted them eliminated. Her ideal method was asexual reproduction - the creation of children without a man involved. That way, she thought, women could look forward to the gradual extinction of the distinctive male organism and the assimilation of the male to the female. Until now, people like Mrs Swiney, who lived in the 19th century, were considered to be several apples short of a picnic. But now her vision of a female-only world is all but with us. Sorry to tell you, men, but you are shortly to be declared redundant, superfluous to the requirements of the human race, written out of the reproductive script. Cheerio and please close the door behind you on your way out of history. At least this is the prospect laid out before us by the latest lurch into the brave new world of medical research. In the attempt to find a cure for male infertility, a Newcastle University biologist, Karim Nayernia, has succeeded in using artificially produced sperm to fertilise mouse eggs. more
Re: [Vo]: Wires from bacteria
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence Anybody know what this means? : /Shewanella/, of interest in environmental cleanup for its ability to hasten the weathering of toxic metals into benign ones How do you weather a toxic metal (like, perhaps, lead, arsenic, mercury...) into a benign one (as in a benign metal, like, aluminum, copper, iron, ...?) ? There's clearly something here that I'm not getting. Here's a similar article: http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/07/13/gold.from.dust.ap/index.html http://tinyurl.com/kwq92 Thar's gold in them thar microbes Thursday, July 13, 2006; Posted: 11:32 p.m. EDT (03:32 GMT) Gold nuggets: Bacteria may contribute to their formation. SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- Researchers in Australia have uncovered evidence that a tiny microbe may have the Midas touch of Greek legend, capable of turning dust to gold. Findings reported in the July 14 issue of the U.S.-based magazine Science suggest a bacteria known as Ralstonia metallidurans may play a key role in creating gold nuggets and grains. more
Re: [Vo]: Wormholes and Orbital Days Inn
-Original Message- From: Michel Jullian Indeed, fascinating! Private space seems to be much more efficient than public space. http://www.bigelowaerospace.com/ I suppose it depends on whose money is being spent. ;-) Terry
[Vo]: Stoking the Furnace
Maybe it's not us: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/0313irradiance.htm l http://tinyurl.com/qwwo7 NASA STUDY FINDS INCREASING SOLAR TREND THAT CAN CHANGE CLIMATE Since the late 1970s, the amount of solar radiation the sun emits, during times of quiet sunspot activity, has increased by nearly .05 percent per decade, according to a NASA funded study.
[Vo]: Tesla BEV Launch in a Week
http://www.teslamotors.com/index.html 0-60 in 4s 250 mi per charge $0.01 per mile
[Vo]: Re: Nanobubbles and Free-energy
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene So if a nanobubble radius (very stable bubble) were forced to shrink, during the compression and combustion cycles of an ICE (aided by the Casimir force below 10 nm) from 100 nm down to 1 nm, would its potential enegy increase by a factor of 10,000 ... while requiring a relative energy input of 1000 ? IOW a 10-1 gain thanks to Casimir ?? Not trying to (ahem) burst your bubble; but, I thought Casimir only applied to uncharged conductors. Terry
[Vo]: Re: Nanobubbles and Free-energy
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene All punnery aside... like all seekers-of-truth, I opt for every weak bubble to be burst, the sooner the better. Do you have a reference for that? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect Overview The Casimir effect can be understood by the idea that the presence of conducting metals and dielectrics alter the vacuum expectation value of the energy of the electromagnetic field. Since the value of this energy depends on the shapes and positions of the conductors and dielectrics, the Casimir effect manifests itself as a force between such objects. But, there seems to be more to it than this. It seems Casimir is involved in all particle exchanges. Terry
[Vo]: Re: Nanobubbles and Free-energy
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene IOW if we just had this Wiki entry to go on - the jury is still out on whether the Casimir is active for nanobubbles or not, but with the enticing (slight) possibility that it could end up being especially-active - should there be a hint of excitonic-type superconductivity. Would you not agree? Indeed! I would never discourage a line of thought that might lead to energy freedom. One thing I am trying to grasp is what does the boundry look like? The nanobubble surface boundry might very well have water molecules polarized inwardly. Did you note that they mixed in KOH to adjust the pH? Terry
[Vo]: Venus Vortex
This has gotta be on topic :-). http://www.geotimes.org/july06/NN_venus.html Vortex visible on Venus The first images ever taken of Venus? south pole caused a swirl of excitement among astronomers in April. Taken by cameras aboard the European Space Agency?s Venus Express spacecraft, the images revealed that hovering above the southern pole is an enormous vortex structure of clouds, similar to one found at the previously imaged north pole. More detail: http://www.astrobio.net/news/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articl esid=2006 http://tinyurl.com/onbo7 Terry
[Vo]: Wormholes and Orbital Days Inn
Robert Bigelow's projects are always out there. http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn9533-model-of-inflatable-space -hotel-set-to-launch.html http://tinyurl.com/gt29y Model of inflatable space hotel set to launch 20:46 11 July 2006 An inflatable spacecraft designed to test technology for a future space hotel is to be launched from Russia on Wednesday. Everything is on track and scheduled for launch, Robert Bigelow told New Scientist in a prepared statement. Bigelow is the founder of Bigelow Aerospace in Las Vegas, Nevada, US, which is behind the inflatable test vehicle. Terry PS Just received my copy of: http://www.huntfortheskinwalker.com/
Re: [Vo]: biological computing
-Original Message- From: thomas malloy With a URL like this, I couldn't resist visiting his website. I read his writings and they made no sense to me. Am I uneducated, do his ideas on information processing make sense? http://www.historianofthefuture.com/ubiquit.html Sure. He is making William Gibson's Neuromancer real. I'll bet he and Sarfatti are buds. ;-) Terry
[Vo]: Imaginary Weapons
A book recently mentioned on the hydrino list has been the subject of discussion by certain fringe scientists in other lists: http://www.fourmilab.ch/fourmilog/archives/2006-06/000715.html http://www.imaginaryweapons.net/imaginary_weapons_climax.htm Any idea who the obscure Texas scientist might be? Could he be from Austin? ;-) So, Jones, suppose we put that hafnium within a shell of scandium then hit it with the dental x-ray? Terry
Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk It's also possible that there is no such thing as a photon. Agreed. However, one must know where one is in order to get to where one wants to be. Depending on what 'is' 'is'. T
Re: [Vo]: Bell, Bang and Entangle
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk Are you saying that the experiment proves that The correlation of states cannot possibly be predeterministic, or are you saying that the spin state upon creation of the pair is not fixed (IYO)? IYO? I do not know enough to have developed an opinion. SQM says the spin states are not fixed. There are several physicists who cannot accept this (like us). Read Bohm's explanation for one. T
Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle
I said: Depending on what 'is' 'is'. Change that to: Depending on what 'is' is. T
Re: [Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk IOW we build castles in the air. :-) One of those hierarchical airs, IMO. ;-) T
[Vo]: Re: Algae Ponds and Motor Fuel.
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene Nowadays Willie lives in Hawii and all of his vehicles are powered by biodiesel. One suspects that seeds from Maui-Wowie will give an added boost, but noone can really remember when they filled up last Well if his sh*t-kickin' buddy, Kinky Friedman becomes gov'nor http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/ of that fine state, maybe they will grow the herb, extract the essence and make Texas the energy captial of the world again. Why the hell not and How hard could it be make KF's great mottos. Terry
Re: [Vo]: 32 inch V-Track..
-Original Message- From: Anthony I recently downloaded a video where a guy, I forget his name, has a small yellow car, running down a track on top of a clear plastic top, setting on top of what appears to be permanent magnets. Someone introduces the video by saying this is a one-directional, 32 inch, v-track with one gate. then he lets go of the car and it races down the track. Does anybody know what I'm talking about? Probably Thom Schum's page: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/files/ I got the video and a few others here... http://www.fdp.nu/shared/manager.asp?d=files%5CCalloways%20Perendev%5C Anyway.. Does anybody know if this guy is using permanent magnets or are there electro-magnets involved? And if it's all permanents, does anybody have plans on how to make this device or have you made one yourself? Mike Brady uses permanent magnets. Go here: http://pesn.org/ and type in 'perendev' into the search box. Terry
Re: [Vo]: OT: Political reform: was Algae Ponds...
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene snippage His song Asshole from El Paso, a parody of Merle Haggard's Okie from Muskogee is his most famous song and would easily get him my vote if I can register there soon enough. (I still have some relatives hanging around in Pecos county g ). BTW did you see where Wiki immediately labeled the Ken Lay death as suicide? They may have to add some controls in there soon, as a few folks think of it as a real authority. Ain't third party politics great, not to mention, ain't anything mostly 'out of institutionalized control' like Wiki, Kinky, and Willie - annoying to the politico-pros? Gotta luv-it... otherwise. I became a Kinky fan from his books before I was aware of his music; but, I just think the Texas Jewboy might fit the boot for the Lone Star state. Re: Lay -- I'd await the autopsy results before passing judgement on the wiki writer. ;-) Ain't life fun!? I mean, if we lived 600 years like Noah, you'd have to take it seriously. But with only six score before the telomere decay . . . everything is funny to me. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Perendev
-Original Message- From: Anthony What did they do wrong? Possibly, nothing. Brady has been promising delivery for years. However, did you notice the clicking sound as the rotor turned? It sounds like there is movement of the magnets in their channels. This would reduce efficiency of the motor. Terry
[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk All the balls in the box are connected in pairs, one blue ball connected to one red ball. But John Bell has stated and subsequent experiments prove that such is not reality. The balls are not correlated prior to measurement, their relationship is known; but, the color of neither is determinate. Another example: A beam splitter allows a photon to travel one of two paths. As long as the observer does not know the path taken by the photon, an interference pattern results when the paths converge. However, if you place a detector in one path, then interference pattern goes away due to the known path. This is true regardless of the distance between the splitter, the detector and the point of convergence. Bizarre! Terry
[Vo]: Tiny Bubbles are Langmuir Sheaths
http://thunderbolts.info/tpod/2006/arch06/060704fizzybubbles.htm Stratified, dissimilar plasmas whose change in veliocity appears as a large temperature.
[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk RS: ...and exactly how does one know that the color is indeterminate if no measurement has been done, TB: I understand your position. Intuitively, I agree with you with great glee. It is identical to Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen. However, the data shows that the Bell Inequalities exist. Here's a good explanation: http://www.ncsu.edu/felder-public/kenny/papers/bell.html RS: No, the pattern goes away because the photons in one path are stopped by the detector (otherwise the detector wouldn't be detecting anything). TB: That is the simple answer; but, it does not jive with current SQM experiments. In this case, we are speaking of *single* photon interference patterns. They create interference patterns because of Feynman's sum of histories concept. The interference pattern is a result of the probabilites that the photon can follow either path with a certain probability. When the photon path is known, the photon does not go away. The photon is detected at the convergence point; however, it is detected as a particle. It is not stopped at the detector. Bohm offers an interesting explanation by separating the particle from the probability wave function. But Ockham's razor rules! Terry
[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk RS: ...and exactly how does one know that the color is indeterminate if no measurement has been done, TB: I understand your position. Intuitively, I agree with you with great glee. It is identical to Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen. However, the data shows that the Bell Inequalities exist. Here's a good explanation: http://www.ncsu.edu/felder-public/kenny/papers/bell.html RS: No, the pattern goes away because the photons in one path are stopped by the detector (otherwise the detector wouldn't be detecting anything). TB: That is the simple answer; but, it does not jive with current SQM experiments. In this case, we are speaking of *single* photon interference patterns. They create interference patterns because of Feynman's sum of histories concept. The interference pattern is a result of the probabilites that the photon can follow either path with a certain probability. When the photon path is known, the photon does not go away. The photon is detected at the convergence point; however, it is detected as a particle. It is not stopped at the detector. Bohm offers an interesting explanation by separating the particle from the probability wave function. But Ockham's razor rules! Terry
[Vo]: Bell, Bang and Entangle
-Original Message- From: hohlrauml6d I said: However, the data shows that the Bell Inequalities exist. I really meant to say that the inequalities do not exist. If JB's theory, the three axis spin probabilities should show that the deterministic case of EPR indicate red/green flashes = 5/9; however, the data from millions of tests indicate the correlation to be exactly 50%. The correlation of states cannot possibly be predeterministic. The electrons do not know their spin state upon creation. Terry
[Vo]: Another Meyer?
United States Patent 7,041,203 Sullivan May 9, 2006 - --- Apparatus and method for generating and using multi-direction DC and AC electrical currents Abstract Multi-directional currents are generated in a medium by cyclically reversing the direction of a conventional current applied to at least one of at least two electrodes so that an electromotive force (EMF) pulse travels from side of the electrode to the other, changing the direction of current in the medium. The multi-directional currents may be used to accelerate electrolytic processes such as generation of hydrogen by water electrolysis, to sterilize water for drinking, to supply charging current to a battery or capacitor, including a capacitive thrust module, in a way that extends the life and/or improves the performance of the battery or capacitor, to increase the range of an electromagnetic projectile launcher, and to increase the light output of a cold cathode light tube, to name just a few of the potential applications for the multi-directional currents.
[Vo]: Re: Methane as fuel, recycling CO2?
From: Sparber There was an algae farm experiment near Roswell, NM when nearby oil was really cheap, Aliens contaminated it. :-) That explains how Big Oil has has successfully blocked alternative energy sources: extraterrestrial assistance! Terry
[Vo]: Is Spacetime a Superfluid?
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=00012DEF-46AA-1F04-BA6A80A8418 9EEDFsc=I100322 http://tinyurl.com/o52nj What makes this approach so interesting is that the behavior of condensed matter is collective. The details of individual molecules hardly matter; the system's properties emerge from the act of aggregation. When water freezes, the molecules do not change, but the collective behavior does, and the laws that apply to liquids no longer do. Under the right conditions, a fluid can turn into a superfluid, governed by quantum mechanics even on macroscopic scales. Chapline, along with physicists Evan Hohlfeld, Robert B. Laughlin and David I. Santiago of Stanford University, has proposed that a similar process happens at event horizons. The equations of relativity fail, and new laws emerge. If one thinks of spacetime as a superfluid, then it is very natural that in fact something physical does happen at the event horizon--that is, the classical event horizon is replaced by a quantum phase transition, Chapline says. Don't those bubbles in the sky prove the point? Terry
[Vo]: Re: Is Spacetime a Superfluid
-Original Message- From: RC Macaulay As close as I have ever been able to fathom the mystery is a subtle passage in the bible where the wording states... everything is held together by the power of His word. Yes. And, although I have never heard him say it, I think Grimer believes that his atmosphere hierarchy is the physical manifestation. The universe allegedly originated from the Big Bang. The singularity which existed at the moment of the BB was the lowest entrophy state of the universe. Disorder and time are the initiation of the Bang. The idea of spacetime being a BEC fits well here, IMO. But noone has yet figured it all out. When that happens, I suspect the sky will roll up like a scroll. ;-) But it is our destiny to seek the Truth. Terry
[Vo]: Re: Is Spacetime a Superfluid
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk I think that's what the universe looks like as one gets swallowed up by a black hole, or more accurately I think the whole sky appears to narrow to a single point of light. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. You are exactly right if special relativity is correct. From the perspective of the particle crossing the event horizon, the universe rotates by 45 degrees. And SR would apply if the Beta-atm is a BEC. All, IMO. No citations. Terry
[Vo]: Re: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday June 30, 2006
5. NONEVENT: IT'S MY LAST DAY AS DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC INFORMATION. The only title I have ever aspired to is Professor of Physics. That title has not changed, nor will What's New, nor anything else I can think of. As you know, What's New is now supported by the University of Maryland Department of Physics, which has made it my major teaching assignment; the APS allows me use the office in the National Press Building as a base to write it with help from a wonderful staff; and I continue to get up every morning to battle the Philistines, secure in the knowledge that when I get it wrong, WN readers will straighten me out. Yeah, but when was the last time you *admitted* you were wrong, Yaltabaoth? Terry PS read LENR.org in your free time and save your condemnation in history.
[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle
-Original Message- From: Robin van Spaandonk Actually I don't even believe that information is transferred, let alone energy. That is the claim of the standard quantum physics proponent. Let's try this: Creation of an particle anti-particle pair results in a dual vortex in the BCE which is separated by distance by propagation . . . sort of an hour glass with the top part going right to Scully and left to Mulder with opposite rotations in the BEC. However, since the spin is anti-evident, the direction of the (opposing) vortices are not defined until someone with a timecone (worldline) observes them. Filters them, wrt to the present universe. However (again), the spin vortices of the BEC remain indeterminate until the observer's timecone intersects with particle timecone (observation). This could result in a non-local flip which correlates Mulder and Scully's observations. :-) Because the timecones of the particles are interconnected in 'yarn space', the spin, once observed, determines the rotation of the particle vortex. Because all possible universes exist (based on observer's descisions - and this requires explanation), but the observer is traveling a single path, his timecone defines the spin polarization in his spacetime. (assuming Susskinds 10^500 + universes) Seems trivial, n'est-ce pas? Terry (not even wrong, I'm sure)
[Vo]: Bell, Bang and Entangle
Gnorts, Vorts! Let us suppose that my guess is wrong and permanent magnets are not ZPE pumps. Of course, it is undisputed that the primary source of the PM field is electron spin with secondary and tertiary contributions from orbital rotation and nuclear spin. Shall we explore another possibility? Tests of Bell's theorem have pretty much proven the concept of entanglement and put to rest EPR's local realism. If, at the moment of the big bang, all electrons had positron mates then would they not remain entangled? But whence the missing antimatter, you might ask. That one will have to wait because I have not finished Susskind's book. :-) Let us suppose the positrons reside in Oz. Indeed, it might be that there is an entanglement space that looks like a ball of yarn after my new Maine Coon kitty has played with it. This space would be composed of all the umbilical cords which tie the entangled particles. Here's my point (with many dancing angels): electron spin could move energy between Kansas and Oz. More if this congeals. Terry A recent Bell-based attack on SR: http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9906036
[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle
A recent Bell-based attack on SR: http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9906036 BTW, Brian Greene's book has replaced Alice and Bob with Scully and Mulder, as in the referenced paper. More apropos considering spooky action at a distance, n'est-ce pas? Terry
[Vo]: Re: Bell, Bang and Entangle
One side note: For those Vorts who might not get the subject title: http://imdb.com/title/tt0051406/ My lusty heart rejects that I was only 4 when Kim Novak made this movie. Terry
[Vo]: Rarification of Aether
I posted the following on the Beta-atm group to Frank; but, thought I would get Vorts' thoughts. (to Grimer) In your Principa in the files Stuff folder, you state: Unlike many other ductile metals which neck down to a point, mild steel exhibits a curious phenomena as ultimate failure in tension becomes immanent. A lens shaped cavity opens up within the material whilst the external surface is still intact. The existence of this cavity has been demonstrated by x-raying specimens brought almost to the point of failure. Clayton and I spent some time experimenting to see if we could show that the pressure in this cavity was well below atmospheric but our results were inconclusive. Nevertheless we strongly suspect that a more thorough investigation might well show up the presence of a b-atmosphere vacuum. With such a demonstration the claim that materials were held together from the outside and not from the inside would be hard to deny, however unwelcome its implications might be for relativists. If your Beta-atmosphere is really the luciferous ether, then the propagation of x-ray photon should be superluminal through the lens-shaped cavity. This should not be difficult to test. It *would* get you that trip to Stockholm. :-) Terry
Re: [Vo]: OFF TOPIC Video of earth destroyed by 100 km-wide asteroid
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JHdYBet_4Qeurl=http://www.sosyalmekan.co m/blog/index.php The voiceover is in Japanese, but a rough translation is on the right. This is from NHK, Japanese National Television. Cute fantasy; but, hardly realistic. A large mass would have reached escape velocity and been sent into orbit. After all, this is allegedly how our moon was formed. T
[Vo]: Re: Black hydrogen, palladium and Bush
-Original Message- From: Walter Faxon Forgive me if this was posted when current: http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0401,mbaard,50031,1.html Thanks. Interesting to note that the author was one Mark Baard. Could this be Erik Baard? If not, the VV has more bards than Stratford. :-) Terry
[Vo]: We're All Adicted
Addicted To Knowledge Neuroscientists at the University of Southern California have proposed a simple explanation for the pleasure of grasping a new concept: The brain is getting its fix. According to researcher Irving Biederman, the click of comprehension triggers a biochemical cascade that rewards the brain with a shot of natural opium-like substances. more http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20060521013515data_trunc_sys.shtml http://tinyurl.com/hrbpy
[Vo]: Stinky Bush for Energy
No not a political statement: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-06/tau--fct062206.php From campfire to gas tank, Mesquite energy may be harvested for ethanol Vernon ? The dense mesquite-covered mid-section of Texas could provide fuel for about 400 small ethanol plants, according to one Texas Agricultural Experiment Station researcher. Dr. Jim Ansley, Experiment Station rangeland researcher at Vernon, is determining the feasibility of developing a bio-energy industry in rural West Central Texas. The industry would be based on the harvest and use of rangeland woody plants, such as mesquite and red berry juniper, as an energy source. more And you thought it was just a weed, Macaulay. :-) Terry
[Vo]: Tiny Bubbles in the Sky . . .
. . . they are there; but, we don't know why. http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=1946 Space is fizzing. Above our heads, where the Earth?s magnetic field meets the constant stream of gas from the Sun, thousands of bubbles of superheated gas are constantly growing and popping. Their discovery could allow scientists to finally understand the interaction between the solar wind and the Earth?s magnetic field.
Re: [Vo]: Electron orbital - myth?
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Articles/4-4/EAtoms.pdf CONCLUSION The component of orbital energy of the electron is absent in the mathematical model of the formation of atomic spectra. **That means that there is not orbital movement of the electrons in atoms. ** In this case the rotating electron will precesses on the proton of the nucleus. Such process of the interaction of the electron with the nucleus of the atom explains the principle formation of molecules by means of unlike magnetic poles of the valence electrons. Gee, that will really disappoint Randell. ;-) Does this mean covalent bonding and magnetism are related? Terry
[Vo]: GM Plans PHEV
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=1087sid=aB.YH1WLpQgo GM Plans Gas-Electric Car to Catch Up to Toyota, People Say June 23 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp., losing sales to fuel-efficient cars from Toyota Motor Corp., is developing a hybrid-electric vehicle with a battery that recharges at any outlet, said GM officials familiar with the plan. more
[Vo]: Can You Get Energy From Gravity?
http://www.alternate-energy.net/R/news.php?detail=n1151100689.news http://tinyurl.com/grvcr and http://www.energyfromair.com/
Re: [Vo]: A new 'Manhattan Project' for energy innovation?
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder I'm not an American, Actually, you are. As one Canadian Customs official pointed out to me when asked my nationality, We're all from North America. What country? :-) Terry
Re: [VO]:Re: Vortex fields
-Original Message- From: RC Macaulay Give us a suggestion on how you imagine creating interference.. Interesting thought! If you had two synchronous sources of energy you could have them interfere constructively (combine) by adjusting the distance between them. However, I know of no way to synchronize magnetrons that are not designed to do so. Terry
[Vo]: Re: Hairy Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor
-Original Message- From: Michel Jullian (should be _Harry_ Paul Sprain according to the US 6954019 patent document, not Henry, I have corrected the subject line and added overunity disputed to make the thread look more appealing to our fellow Vorts) TB: Ackshully Hairy would be more apropos. BTW, overunity disputed is somewhat redundant as this is always the case. :-) MJ: Thanks Terry for your objective introduction of my position, in spite of your not agreing with it and of the big dollars at stake. The documents I will refer to are in the public file folders you gave us a link to: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/files/ 1/ The coil's DC resistance argument you reported was inspired to me by the rough sanity check Ohm's law prediction of coil current at page 5 of the Sprain Motor Early Analysis by Independent Lab pdf document. The damped oscillation current trace in CH2 of the Sprain Motor electric drive pulse waveform photo (BMP) oscillogram, of which we see more than a half-period, clearly converges to ~2 divisions. This suggests that 2 divisions on the oscillogram scale to 20A (steady state current of a ~1 ohm static resistance coil driven by 20VDC) rather than 2A as claimed. TB: Yes, but your cognitive dissonance is not allowing you to see that there is a large reverse electromotive force caused by the approaching rotor magnet which must be overcome by the power supply. You also acknowledged that the power supply display shows a RMS current of less than 0.06 A, from a video that is no longer publicly available. MJ: 2/ I have a second argument pointing to the same conclusion: the voltage drop of the coil driving FET, which Terry told me was of the IRF250 family, is of at least 1V as can be seen on the oscillogram (CH1). I remember Jonfli on this list noted that 1V drop was a lot for the claimed low current of 2A, and might be improved by using a FET with a lower ON resistance. I looked up the IRF250 ON resistance (RDSon) and found it is in fact quite low already, 0.085 ohms max, which requires more than 10A to yield the observed 1V voltage drop (Ohm's law again). This suggests that coil current is at least 5 times the claimed value of 2A. TB: You also refuse to accept that I have data which shows that there is a 5 V drop between the drain and source of the gating circuit indicating that the field effect transistor is operating in the linear region and is unsaturated. This data is not public; but, I will get permission to send it to anyone who cares to see it. MJ: My conclusion from 1/ and 2/ is that the Sprain motor's COP, claimed to be overunity ~2, is in fact possibly 10 times and at least five times lower than that i.e. well below unity, due to an erroneous scaling of the input current waveform. I have no explanation as to the source of the error though. TB: And I certainly understand your position regardless of your refusal to accept the data. The inventor has actually operated the motor on a 14.5 volt supply without the FET in the circuit. The back EMF is at least 8 V when triggered as indicated by the referenced data, which all refutes your position. In addition, if 20 A at 20 V were being input to the coil, I could feel the warmth of the coil with a 400 W input even at a duty cycle of 3.7%. I feel no such warmth (from the coil). What you do not understand is that we repealed Ohm's law here in Georgia in 1966. As a result we have saved a fortune on power costs. Near the same time we rounded pi to exactly 3.0 which attracted many students to study architecture at our universities. Despite the s(c)eptics, we continue to try to get the motor to self-run. The 3 phase alternator that Jones found on the web is only 50% efficient at 90 RPM. Paul has eliminated the FET from the circuit by using it to gate a second coil which closes a magnetic reed switch to gate the motor coil. This drops the voltage to a level near the alternator output. Because the potential customer is coming tomorrow, I have asked Paul to put the torque sensor back in place (removing the alternator) for the demonstration; however, efforts to make it self-run will continue afterward. Terry
Re: [VO]:Re:[VO]: Please...Re and not Re
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder Could the reverse happen? Could seismic activity alter the weather? I say this because last year I noticed a curious coincidence. We had a small quake ( hardly noticeable) in our area at around 8pm or 9pm. The next day we got good weather instead of the bad weather which had been forecasted the day before. I would think so. If you study Grimer Beta-atm theories, you certain could understand why an Alpha-atm change could allow slippage of the continental plates. Terry
Re: [Vo]: New look for Newton's bucket
-Original Message- From: Harry Veeder New look for Newton's bucket 12 May 2006 What remarkable synchronicity as I am presently reading The fabric of the cosmos: space, time, and the texture of reality by Greene, Brian R., which offers an incredible discussion on Newton, Mach and Einstein's view of space(time). Terry
Re: [Vo]: NEW ENERGY TIMES NEWS FLASH (tm) JUNE 20, 2006
-Original Message- From: Steven Krivit The issues were largely personal, not scientific. As Mr. Beene has pointed out here and elsewhere, the claims by the opposition were preposterous. Terry
[Vo]: Re: Airy (?) Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor
-Original Message- From: Michel Jullian I would appreciate if other electronics-literate Vorts, preferably less involved personally with the inventor, could examine and comment/criticize my objections. I would love to be proven wrong, really. No one else here is involved with the inventor. And your arguments have been discussed with other Vorts privately. Indeed, Knagel has taken me to task many times over the current probe measurements. Maybe Keith would like to take a shot or two. Terry :-Þ
Re: [Vo]: Re: Hairy Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor
-Original Message- From: Mark Goldes Terry, Michael, Vo, Here are some edited comments from a member of the MPI engineering team that might be of interest. Comments that would reveal proprietary information have been omitted. The PDF details a properly done analysis of True Power input, and actual torque output. Sprain does not seem to capture BEMF, but still this carefully, and independently measured performance is a mere 25% by accurate means!!! (Sprain) is ignorant of how to measure, and the best (no losses) simulation of his form is reciprocal. (You will find that the rest of the power is eaten by I^2R, and friction - ...it is nothing more than a pulse motor with the added (drag mostly) of the spiral ramp of stator mags added to the pulse motor. the ramp of PM's does nothing but add a reciprocal boost and drag, and contributes nothing to the gain mechanism, except eddy drag of the conductive magnets.) ..(there is nothing of merit in Sprain's design). (This measurement of Sprain's device is doing only useful COP - ... and is only 25% useful). Yes, BEMF could add to the efficiency. I do not understand what is meant by simulation of his form is reciprocal. You seem to agree with Michel. Thanks for your input. Possibly some day you can share more of the analysis so that my feeble mind can understand what is being said. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor
-Original Message- From: Grimer Let's hope he's wrong - but if he isn't then I think the Finsrud machine is the best bet for proving a point of principle. The solution is more elegant than the Sprain in the cunning way it achieves the different advance and retreat speed in relation to the magnets. This means that only the smallest input is required to keep the ball moving. Also, it will show whether or not the reverse direction pumps energy into the Beta-atmosphere rather than taking it out. In other words it will show that the ball is indeed travelling around a Carnot-style cycle and extracting energy from Beta-atmosphere heat. What amazes me, Grimer, is that I can't seem to get anyone to even go see it. A few people will discuss it; but, I have yet to convince anyone to go with me and help verify the measurements. One engineer used the excuse that he did not want to sign the non-disclosure agreement; but, when I said he did not have to sign it, he still backed out. It reminds me of the people in sci.physics.fusion who refused to even read the CF papers and the people who would not look through Galileo's telescope. Terry
Re: [Vo]: More Waterfuel videos
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene Otherwise, there can be little in the way of self-deception in such circumstances - as the engine, fueled with treated water, is running for extended periods - consequently either we have pure, senseless fraud -or else this is the makings of the discovery of the century. THE NEXT BIG THING. Plain and simple. And I always thought those UFOs were taking water to get the deuterium! Okay, there's a new group on Yahoo called 'hydroxy' if you haven't found it already. They have some really simple plans for JCs. Suppose I built one but did not want to use my Scion for experimentation, how could I test the water so to speak? Terry
[Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor
-Original Message- From: Patrick Vessey Now, things may have changed since then. However, at that time, he was confident in it (effectively) self running. If that still stands, it would make verifing his claims somewhat simpler... Indeed it would! The problem has been finding a low speed efficient generator. Jones found a motor used on a Fisher Paykel washing machine which is about 50% efficient at 90 RPM. The problem is that the voltage output is a ramp since the torque is generated by a magnetic gradient. Here is a plot of the output (open circuit) voltage when the generator is run by the motor: http://geocities.com/terry1094/427_V_CH1.xls It is a permanent magnet, three phase rectified alternator output. It is slightly clipped; so, it actually goes from almost 14 V to a peak around 27 V. If it does self-run, you'll see it on CNN! Do you get CNN in the UK? :-) Terry
Re: [Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor
-Original Message- From: Grimer I doesn't amaze me. I've had 40 years of it - so I'm quite used to the fact that people avoid cognitive dissonance like the plague. But it only hurts for a short time then you feel better than you did before. :-) Terry
[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Vortex fields.
-Original Message- From: RC Macaulay Terry mentioned focus the two magetrons. No, not exactly focus; but, create interference patterns between the two sources. Unfortunately this doesn't work unless the two sources are in sync. :-( Terry
[Vo]: Henry Paul Sprain Magnetic Motor
Gnorts, Vorts! Thursday afternoon I will meet with the inventor, company officers, and the CEO of a potential licensee of the technology whose firm did $5.4 B in business in 2005. I have been in offline discussions with some of the members of the list whom I respect highly. Lately, Michel and I have been discussing the issue with the data given by the inventor regarding the electrical input of the motor. Michel's position is that the current measurement is off by a factor of 10 (20A instead of 2A). His position is understandable since the coil resistance is less than 1 ohm and the supply voltage is 20 V. See: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/files/ for the public data. I am now offering the opportunity for questions from the peanut gallery that I might pose to the inventor or actually test myself on the referenced subject. Since I am under a NDA, I might not be able to answer all questions; but, since I brought this subject to this forum, I'll give it my best shot. Any takers? Terry
[Vo]: Re Priceless !
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene Almost any small negative charge will likely be effective - and the 10 cents per bucketfull might suffice... although a kilowatt applied during a rain storm might be on the low side for a large roof If your hypothesis is correct, should not burning my grandmother's old rain barrel generate more heat than burning another equivalent mass of wood? Terry
Re: [Vo]: Re: Priceless !
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene - it is MasterCard and not MasterCharge It's okay, coming from a lysdexic. Terry (just returning from the blessing of the corner column of the Shri Mandir being built practically in my back yard) http://www.mandir.org Fascinating!
[Vo]: Beene's Floating Power Source
Right idea, wrong power source: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0616-04.htm Floating nukes??
[Vo]: Jones' Post-Nocturnal Rumblings
Have been documented in the UK? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/06/15/aurora/ excerpting: The aircraft has also been spotted across the US, in Norway and the Netherlands, often to the accompaniment of a deafening sonic boom and its characteristic donuts on a string con trail - caused by its revolutionary scramjet propulsion plant...
[Vo]: [YO] [DEVO] [OT] Yellow Snow Script?
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/?articleID=4765 That yellowish stain has attracted the attention of NASA and the Canadian Space Agency because it has a link to extraterrestrial life, Beauchamp, the executive director of the Arctic Institute of North America, told Canada.com. (Frank woulda been proud.)
[Vo]: [YO]: [MOFO]: [OT]: Kal-El est Iesus?
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/06/14/film.supermanchristfigur e.ap/ http://tinyurl.com/fbdl5 Some have also seen the hero as a gay icon, forced to live a double life with his super-self in the closet. A recent edition of the gay magazine The Advocate even asked on its cover, How gay is Superman? But the comparison to Jesus is one that's been made almost since the character's origin in 1938, said Skelton, author of The Gospel According to the World's Greatest Superhero. Many simply see the story of a hero sent to Earth by his father to serve mankind as having clear enough New Testament overtones. Others have taken the comparison even further, reading the El in Superman's original name Kal-El and that of his father Jor-El as the Hebrew word for God, among other theological interpretations. (sorry, tough father's day) El-El
Re: [Vo]: Fw: Free energy in magnets? (was Re: Read it again)
-Original Message- From: Michel Jullian What would be a breakthrough would be to violate this, but it would require to take into account not only the potential energy wrt the gravitational force of the earth, but also the potential energy of the magnet's force, Take a look at this device: http://geocities.com/terry1094/magnet_motor01.avi It generates about 4 Nm of torque in one cycle. It uses a very efficient electromagnet to move the rotor beyond the peak gradient point. The electromagnet uses about 1 Ws per pulse. This has been discussed here before; so, if you'd like to learn more we should take it off list. Do you have a broadband connection? Terry
Re: [VO]:Re: Re: Nickel, Iron and Photo etc
-Original Message- From: Noel D. Whitney Regretably they were Dead items and did nothing at any time I was there. best wishes Another list says that Stan make Orthohydrogen instead of Parahydrogen. What was the energy difference, Jones (since you did research on this before.) Terry
[Vo]: Every magnetics researcher should have one . . .
http://www.magnetostatics.com/ pricey, tho. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Free energy in magnets? (was Re: Read it again)
-Original Message- From: Michel Jullian Work is performed indeed by the magnet, but why conclude that total energy of the system hasn't been conserved? If the clip is lifted by a chemical reaction to the same height, you would have conventional conservation. The magnet might be conservative; but, not by any conservative explanation. :-) My point is simply that if you use an electromagnet to lift the clip, the Lorentz explanation holds and you clearly have a relativistic effect. However, if the clip is lifted by the spin magnetic momentum of an unfilled electron shell, we have an entirely different case, a quantum effect. As posted earlier, these forms of magnetism are not equivalent. Permanent magnet work might be an exchange between ZPE and mass, as Robin opines. This discussion is not dissimilar to Puthoff's explanation of why the electron in angular accelerating around the hydrogen nucleus does not radiate and collapse into the nucleus. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Free energy in magnets? (was Re: Read it again)
-Original Message- From: Stephen A. Lawrence The predicted magnetic field of a current can be obtained simply by Lorentz transforming the electric field from the rest frame of the charges making up the current to the frame of the observer moving relative to them. Remarkably, the result is a first-order effect -- first order in the relative velocities -- unlike just about everything else predicted by relativity. There are no charges (q) involved in permanent magnets. I hereby extract myself from this discussion.
[Vo]: Re: Read it again
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell I do not know of any experimental evidence that demonstrates excess energy from magnets or springs. Okay, I have seen three. All involve magnetic gradients which most certainly perform work. I will try, one more time, to explain the most simple one: http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/smotidx.htm In this image a ball is dropped from 31 mm and from 35 mm into a curved glass tube which constitutes an inclined plane. This is done with the fingers of the experimenter who eats food for an energy source. The second drop causes the ball to roll further up the inclined plane with an increased energy of 0.424 mJ. The earth provides the kinetic energy. Now the experimenter replaces his fingers with a permanent magnetic field and gets the same result. He places the ball at the 31 mm level of the field gradient and the gradient lifts the ball to 35 mm. What does the magnet eat??? This device demonstrates a COP of 1.133. I have personally tested another magnetic gradient field device which presently operates with a COP of 2.33 and will soon operate with a much higher one. I will be happy to arrange for you to view the device. It is here in the metropolitan area. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Mizunos Book Cover
-Original Message- From: Grimer It would take those kind of pressures to open up such a huge Beta-atmosphere cavity in a metal. Is it really happening *in* the metal or just at the metal surface? Like a Beta-atm black hole impacting the surface? Terry
Re: [Vo]: Mizunos Book Cover
-Original Message- From: Grimer You would need a number of black holes of different sizes all impacting at the same instant to produce that pattern. Agreed. However, I once saw a viddy of a tornado that split into three separate ones then later recombined into the one. It looks like little vortices would just fit into those holes. Hey, lookie . . . they seem to be in groups of threes! Terry
Re: [Vo]: Mizunos Book Cover
-Original Message- From: Grimer Also you will notice that the central splashes are small. This corresponds to the apex of the dome which is the thinnest part. You are probably right; however, it's your fault that I look at things in a different way. We expect those void are due to eruptive blowouts. But, just suppose the material was SUCKED out by B-a hole. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Fw: Free energy in magnets? (was Re: Read it again)
-Original Message- From: Michel Jullian Work is performed indeed by the magnet, but why conclude that total energy of the system hasn't been conserved? You must pull the clip from the magnet to repeat. All that is required in the JLN experiment is to lift the magnet back to 31 mm. Big difference, mon ami. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Fw: Free energy in magnets? (was Re: Read it again)
-Original Message- From: Michel Jullian Mmmm Terry I am not sure it is that different, doesn't it require work to bring the ball back to starting position, as it does for the paper clip? I think, if you do the math, it takes far more energy to remove the clip from the mag than it does to lift the ball against gravity. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Re: Read it again
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell There is no energy input as far as I can tell from the descriptions. You cannot continuously extract energy from permanent magnets any more than you can from a spring. It appears to be a violation of the conservation of energy. Do you have a citation for that? I find no reference which says that permanent magnets are conservative. After all, PMs get their force from a quantum function, the spin of the electron. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism The physical cause of the magnetism of objects, as distinct from electrical currents, is the atomic magnetic dipole. Magnetic dipoles, or magnetic moments, result on the atomic scale from the two kinds of movement of electrons. The first is the orbital motion of the electron around the nucleus; this motion can be considered as a current loop, resulting in an orbital dipole magnetic moment along the axis of the nucleus. The second, much stronger, source of electronic magnetic moment is due to a quantum mechanical property called the spin dipole magnetic moment (although current quantum mechanical theory states that electrons neither physically spin, nor orbit the nucleus). Electron spin is a quantum effect and likely related to ZPE, IMO. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Re: Read it again
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Do you have a citation for that? No, this is a common observation. A hypocritical statement from one such as you, IMO. Terry
Re: [Vo]: RE: US Windpower
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene c) N2O has 'fuel' content in itself As these tricked-out turf surfers can testify: http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/nitrous-oxide/ Alas, gone are the days when we would puchase a bag of ammonium nitrate, melt it on a stirring hotplate and collect the resulting gas over a water bath (to leech out the ammonia) into large garbage bags. Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
[Vo]: Mendeleev, Aether Oil
The father of the periodic table was also a proponent of the beta-atmosphere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Mendeleev In 1902, in an attempt at a chemical conception of the Aether, he put forward an incorrect hypothesis that there existed two inert chemical elements of lesser atomic weight than hydrogen. Of these two proposed elements, he thought the lighter to be an all-penetrating, all-pervasive gas, and the slightly heavier one to be a proposed element, coronium. And Mendeleev had good reason to believe in coronium: http://sunearthday.nasa.gov/2006/locations/coronium.php Dmitri was also the first to propose an abiotic origin of petroleum in 1877; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin although, better understanding of the process has prevailed. ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: [Vo]: Stan Meyer - Autopsy Report
-Original Message- From: Grimer Any lawyers wish to comment? 8-) IANAL, however, do you know if the coroner was a pathologist? In many places the coroner doesn't have to be even a medical doctor. Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
[Vo]: Put a [Vo] tag in the message Subject line
I suspect that I'm not alone in only having sporadic access to a fat mail client. For a large portion of my working week, I'm reduced to web only access to my POP3 maildrop - no folders, rules or filters possible. For those of us similarly 'challenged', I'd suggest that this small change to the list is helpful. Patrick Try netscape, hotmail, yahoo, or I'll invite you into gmail. Get you a free mail address to use only with Vortex. Works for me. Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: [Vo]: Re: Stan Meyer - Autopsy Report
-Original Message- From: Jones Beene There was no big conspiracy to silence the enemies of 'Big Oil' in either case - at least there is no evidence of such. A shiek would not be worth his linen if he did not do all he could to protect his country's interests. You probably doubt the Mossad offed Gerald Bull, too. You're no fun. Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: [Vo]: Re: Stan Meyer - Autopsy Report
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Along the same lines, I do not think Park and Zimmerman are conspiring to suppress cold fusion . . . Just what *is* PZ's motivation on the Hydrino list? He has spent countless hours debunking hydrinos CQM in particular and FE in general. I honestly do not believe he is merely a defender of the faith. He is up to something more sinister, IMO. Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
[Vo]: US Windpower
http://www.capecodtoday.com/news246.htm Report: Enough wind offshore to electrify America Wind power offshore can equal the present capacity of all landed power plants. U.S. Dept. of Energy report is another big leap forward for Cape Wind T here is as much wind power potential (900,000 megawatts) off our coasts as the current capacity of all power plants in the United States combined, according to a new report entitled, A Framework for Offshore Wind Energy Development in the United States, sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy, Massachusetts Technology Collaborative, and General Electric. more ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
[Vo]: Re: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday June 9, 2006
-Original Message- From: Grimer And incidently, you might be interested to know that the quote often attributed to Voltaire is a myth - 8-) though to be fair, he would probably endorse it. Quite right, it was Evelyn Beatrice Hall: http://www.classroomtools.com/voltaire.htm However, she was speaking of Voltaire. ;-) Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
[Vo]: Ford Hydrogen Engines
http://media.ford.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=20332make_id=trust Why are the outputs so low? 80 horses outta a 4.2 l engine? Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: How to put a [Vo] tag in the message Subject line
-Original Message- From: Grimer Err...I know of two - Mallove and Meyer - Can you name any others? I'm not being sarcastic. I would really like to know. There might be a chance that one day I could earn the red badge of martyrdom. 8-) Here's a post by an astute individual on another list: http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1998/mar/m29-005.shtml Terry ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
