Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
At 08:53 PM 11/17/2011, Mary Yugo wrote: In other words, they don't believe Rossi either, on the evidence that he's provided. I personally think their position is way too cover-their-a***/// conservative. They don't even include a more public 1MW acceptance test as a possible trigger. I think I reported on an MBA thesis recently, on what government response is appropriate, ranging from (my scale, as I recall it) 0 deny its existence 1 watch progress ... 9 urgent program 10 national crash program On that scale, DECC's position is 0.5
Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
I consider this DECC response as the "safe" one. They apparently know that cold fusion devices such as Rossi's may actually work, but they are afraid to be considered stupid if it turns out to be a scam. The skeptics have done a good job of scaring upper level government employees. The day of reckoning is coming when Mary Yugo may morf her name into "Merry I Go". Dave -Original Message- From: Charles Hope To: vortex-l Cc: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 9:33 am Subject: Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR) Moving into acceptance? Seems to me that governments are taking the same policy of Cude, Yugo, and Park. On Nov 18, 2011, at 0:09, "Craig Brown" wrote: I never said they DID believe Rossi. This has nothing to do with Rossi, "this sector" refers to LENR in general where Rossi is only one of a growing number of people with interesting and commercially useful results. Mary, you can try and spin their statement any way you like, but it's very clear. Their Chief Scientific Advisor has just admittted that "it is appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on this sector". Their words, not mine. If you are having difficulty in accepting the fact that LENR is now moving slowly into mainstream acceptance by gov agencies then just say so. -------- Original Message Subject: Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR) From: Mary Yugo Date: Fri, November 18, 2011 2:53 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Craig Brown wrote: I recently contacted DECC (UK equivalent of DoE) to get their view on what they thought about the ecat, and to see if they had even heard of it. I got quite an interesting reply. Trigger for "further action" is an interesting phrase. "DECC is aware of this alleged power source: the DECC CSA, David MacKay FRS, has read some of the literature and has met Sven Kulander, who has reviewed an experiment and whose report is on the Defkalion website. The CSA's judgment is that it is appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on this sector, with the key trigger for further action being the publication of the work in a reputable peer-refereed journal, including full details so that academic scientists can replicate the results." In other words, they don't believe Rossi either, on the evidence that he's provided.
Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
Moving into acceptance? Seems to me that governments are taking the same policy of Cude, Yugo, and Park. On Nov 18, 2011, at 0:09, "Craig Brown" wrote: > I never said they DID believe Rossi. This has nothing to do with Rossi, "this > sector" refers to LENR in general where Rossi is only one of a growing number > of people with interesting and commercially useful results. > > Mary, you can try and spin their statement any way you like, but it's very > clear. Their Chief Scientific Advisor has just admittted that "it is > appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on this sector". Their words, not > mine. If you are having difficulty in accepting the fact that LENR is now > moving slowly into mainstream acceptance by gov agencies then just say so. > > > ---- Original Message > Subject: Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR) > From: Mary Yugo > Date: Fri, November 18, 2011 2:53 pm > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > > > > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Craig Brown wrote: > I recently contacted DECC (UK equivalent of DoE) to get their view on what > they thought about the ecat, and to see if they had even heard of it. I got > quite an interesting reply. Trigger for "further action" is an interesting > phrase. > > > "DECC is aware of this alleged power source: the DECC CSA, David MacKay FRS, > has read some of the literature and has met Sven Kulander, who has reviewed > an experiment and whose report is on the Defkalion website. The CSA's > judgment is that it is appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on this > sector, with the key trigger for further action being the publication of the > work in a reputable peer-refereed journal, including full details so that > academic scientists can replicate the results." > > In other words, they don't believe Rossi either, on the evidence that he's > provided.
Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
- Original Nachricht Von: Mary Yugo An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 18.11.2011 09:09 Betreff: Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR) > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:06 AM, wrote: > > > > > Because he is now selling, evidence /must/ turn up /soon/, if there is > > evidence. > > > > I think what we know is that he *says* he's selling. We have, far as I > know, no direct credible evidence that he has ever sold an E-cat. Nobody > can name or interview a customer. > Not a problem. If he shows evidence he can sell. If he doesnt want this, we can do nothing. He will die within this century and take his secret catalyzer with him into his grave. No problem, he has the right to do so. Many others have done so. Peter
Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:06 AM, wrote: > > Because he is now selling, evidence /must/ turn up /soon/, if there is > evidence. > I think what we know is that he *says* he's selling. We have, far as I know, no direct credible evidence that he has ever sold an E-cat. Nobody can name or interview a customer.
RE: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
- Original Nachricht Von: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 18.11.2011 06:56 Betreff: RE: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR) > Mary stated, > > "In other words, they don't believe Rossi either, on the evidence that he's > provided." > This means also, they would take this for serious if Rossi provides evidence. Because he is now selling, evidence /must/ turn up /soon/, if there is evidence. So the most rational thing to do is: ignore it, until something unexpected happens. So far however, only stuff happened that -sadly- had to be expected: a lot of rumour, dubios websites and news and a lot of hype witout substance.
RE: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
Mary stated, "In other words, they don't believe Rossi either, on the evidence that he's provided." You're so adept at pointing out the obvious. -m From: Mary Yugo [mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 8:54 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR) On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Craig Brown wrote: I recently contacted DECC (UK equivalent of DoE) to get their view on what they thought about the ecat, and to see if they had even heard of it. I got quite an interesting reply. Trigger for "further action" is an interesting phrase. "DECC is aware of this alleged power source: the DECC CSA, David MacKay FRS, has read some of the literature and has met Sven Kulander, who has reviewed an experiment and whose report is on the Defkalion website. The CSA's judgment is that it is appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on this sector, with the key trigger for further action being the publication of the work in a reputable peer-refereed journal, including full details so that academic scientists can replicate the results." In other words, they don't believe Rossi either, on the evidence that he's provided.
RE: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
I never said they DID believe Rossi. This has nothing to do with Rossi, "this sector" refers to LENR in general where Rossi is only one of a growing number of people with interesting and commercially useful results.Mary, you can try and spin their statement any way you like, but it's very clear. Their Chief Scientific Advisor has just admittted that "it is appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on this sector". Their words, not mine. If you are having difficulty in accepting the fact that LENR is now moving slowly into mainstream acceptance by gov agencies then just say so. Original Message ---- Subject: Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR) From: Mary Yugo <maryyu...@gmail.com> Date: Fri, November 18, 2011 2:53 pm To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Craig Brown <cr...@overunity.co> wrote: I recently contacted DECC (UK equivalent of DoE) to get their view on what they thought about the ecat, and to see if they had even heard of it. I got quite an interesting reply. Trigger for "further action" is an interesting phrase. "DECC is aware of this alleged power source: the DECC CSA, David MacKay FRS, has read some of the literature and has met Sven Kulander, who has reviewed an experiment and whose report is on the Defkalion website. The CSA's judgment is that it is appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on this sector, with the key trigger for further action being the publication of the work in a reputable peer-refereed journal, including full details so that academic scientists can replicate the results." In other words, they don't believe Rossi either, on the evidence that he's provided.
Re: [Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Craig Brown wrote: > I recently contacted DECC (UK equivalent of DoE) to get their view on what > they thought about the ecat, and to see if they had even heard of it. I > got quite an interesting reply. Trigger for "further action" is an > interesting phrase.* > * > * > * > * > * > *"DECC is aware of this alleged power source: the DECC CSA, David MacKay > FRS, has read some of the literature and has met Sven Kulander, who has > reviewed an experiment and whose report is on the Defkalion website. The > CSA's judgment is that it is appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on > this sector, with the key trigger for further action being the publication > of the work in a reputable peer-refereed journal, including full details so > that academic scientists can replicate the results."* > In other words, they don't believe Rossi either, on the evidence that he's provided.
[Vo]: UK's DECC "Monitoring the sector" (LENR)
I recently contacted DECC (UK equivalent of DoE) to get their view on what they thought about the ecat, and to see if they had even heard of it. I got quite an interesting reply. Trigger for "further action" is an interesting phrase."DECC is aware of this alleged power source: the DECC CSA, David MacKay FRS, has read some of the literature and has met Sven Kulander, who has reviewed an experiment and whose report is on the Defkalion website. The CSA's judgment is that it is appropriate for DECC to maintain a watch on this sector, with the key trigger for further action being the publication of the work in a reputable peer-refereed journal, including full details so that academic scientists can replicate the results." Yours sincerely, Sandra BembridgeDECC Correspondence Unit
