Re: [Vo]:A $olar $olution: the rectenna?

2007-07-16 Thread Horace Heffner


On Jul 16, 2007, at 7:48 AM, Jones Beene wrote:



I absolutely dispute the conclusions of the paper mentioned on  
Horace's site about continuation of price-drops. From my recent  
experience getting actual quotes - I think we reached the bottom in  
2005-6 or before, and now the prices are now going up!



Commercial retail prices are again coming down.  It is profitability  
that has been up.  Demand has far outstripped production capacity.   
That's why there are so many new technology types and companies,  
especially thin film, that are now in the factory construction  
stages.  To follow commercial prices on a regular bases check out:


http://www.solarbuzz.com/

Best thin film commercial price is now $3/watt.  As the film gets  
thinner the price goes down.  Building integration schemes are only  
now getting started.  Larger panels, 1 m^2, and continuous flexible  
roll, now coming online, will help this cost go down.


That's not where the real bucks are, though.  Sooner or later  
somebody will figure this out.  It's in vertical integration.  Best  
strategy I see is to buy out a good solar manufacturer, and energy  
storage manufacturer, and build power plants at cost.  Then its just  
a matter of how much cheap sunny land you can find.   AT  $0.21/kWh  
(commercial COST) this strategy doesn't yet make much sense, but as  
the prices move toward the nexus point it will be to the manufacturer  
that is producing (wholesale) at less than $0.10/ kWh, especially in  
states that run air conditioning where daytime peak power is at a  
premium, and green energy is as well.   To that manufacturer, there  
is no risk at all once he has options on the land, and energy price  
contracts locked in.


Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/





[Vo]:A $olar $olution: the rectenna?

2007-07-16 Thread Jones Beene
All the talk about nanosolar and other so-called 'cheaper' cells, may be 
closer to wishful-thinking than to reality. Presently, and contrary to 
what is often mentioned in the science press, the *installed* cost of 
solar cells for homeowners is going up, not down in 2007.


I absolutely dispute the conclusions of the paper mentioned on Horace's 
site about continuation of price-drops. From my recent experience 
getting actual quotes - I think we reached the bottom in 2005-6 or 
before, and now the prices are now going up!


I challenge anyone to find a source of available solar cells which make 
economics sense for a home. Everytime a supposedly cheaper process comes 
along - by the time it gets to the prototype level, costs have escalated 
out of control. Nano-solar semiconductor cells will be no different.


The cost may be "claimed" by some writer to be under a dollar a watt at 
some nebulous factory in China, but the installed 'turnkey' price, from 
a licensed and bonded contractor is closer to $10 and NOT coming down - 
probably NEVER for the homeowner in the USA, unless you do it yourself. 
Larger installations may be cheaper.


The big solar conversion sites - the smart money for grid power - are 
going to Stirling engines, and abandoning hope for actual direct 
conversion cells. They have accountants and stockholders.


Solar cells have simplicity and 'status' appeal to homeowners, and as a 
'green' symbol (which can never pay-off) and they do proclaim to the 
world: "I care" - damn-the-cost ...


The largest Solar Installation in progress, which will produce up to 900 
Megawatts is under construction now in California. "Stirling Energy 
Systems" (SES) under contract with San Diego Gas & Electric will produce 
approximately 30 times more solar power than is now being generated in 
the whole San Diego region by rooftop cells. It will become the world's 
largest solar installation, and several other desert sites are planned, 
thanks to Sandia's work. The installed cost there was mentioned to 
actually be less than what was quoted by Horace ($2 watt) but that is 
not clear.


The problem for advanced nanosolar cells is this: it is NOT about 
maximizing efficiency - it is about minimizing installed cost. Follow 
the buck. The two variable are often contradictory.


There are possible alternative ways to approach this problem (on paper, 
in addition to regressing a century, to the Stirling engine):


1) Use mirror or Fresnel light concentrators: EVERY process should use 
concentrators, as Michael Foster reminds us. Without mirrors, even the 
Stirling converter is a bust.


2) Abandon semiconductor cells altogether, in favor of the rectenna.

Mirrors are at least 3 orders of magnitude cheaper, per unit of surface 
area, than are even the cheapest semiconductors.


The RECTENNA: The idea of collecting solar photon radiation with 
antenna-rectifier (rectenna) structures was proposed three decades ago, 
but has not yet been achieved commercially. The rectenna is basically a 
fancy type of diode, and as critics opine, it may only a new type of 
'cell' - since it does require micro-lithography, BUT it does not depend 
on a band gap, or expensive semiconductors.


The idea has been promoted as having potential to achieve efficiency 
approaching 100% but thermodynamic considerations imply a limit of 85% 
for a non-frequency-selective rectenna,  assuming maximal concentration.


This 6 year old paper reviews the history and technical context of "ITN 
Energy Systems" solar rectenna, and discusses the major issues:


http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy03osti/33263.pdf

Had we funded some of this tech fully back in 2002, using Daddy 
Warbuck's death-machine-dollars, the rectenna would probably already be 
in production. Instead of this, the US taxpayer is getting armor-plated 
Humvees and more body bags.


Jones