[Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)
Hello group, Here is Rossi's answer to Brian Josephson on an English article from Focus.it. (Brian Josephson joins Francesco Celani's call for further scientific tests of Andrea Rossi's E-Cat, but Rossi has different plans) http://www.focus.it/scienza/ecat-cold-fusion-andrea-rossi-replies-to-nobel-prize-winner-brian-josephson-956_C12.aspx Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, Here is Rossi's answer to Brian Josephson on an English article from Focus.it. Interesting. Previously, Rossi was claiming that Celani's offer was an insult and an attempt to steal his invention. He seems to have toned it down somewhat. He says the U of Bologna will be starting work on his E-cat. When? Soon?! He could give them an E-cat to test and they could say if it was real within two or three weeks. He doesn't even say he plans to let them do that. According to U of B's last remarks on this issue (a few weeks ago), he didn't fund them as promised. Rossi said he would give U of B a half million dollars for research on the E-cat as soon as he was paid for the megawatt plant. He has announced acceptance of the plant and presumably has been paid. Where is the grant? A verification test wouldn't cost anything like $500K. Maybe $10K if the U doesn't have a decent physics lab store room. Essentially no cost if they do. $10K is the amount Celani mentioned and it's entirely believable. Does anyone still believe that after all the equivocations Rossi is going to produce an E-cat for independent testing anywhere? If so, when? To whom? Anyone think he's going to produce a credible customer with some results? Same question: when?
RE: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)
Akira: Just want to thank you for taking time to monitor what's being said at various websites and then taking time to update the Vort Collective... it is much appreciated! -Mark -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa [mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:30 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it) Hello group, Here is Rossi's answer to Brian Josephson on an English article from Focus.it. (Brian Josephson joins Francesco Celani's call for further scientific tests of Andrea Rossi's E-Cat, but Rossi has different plans) http://www.focus.it/scienza/ecat-cold-fusion-andrea-rossi-replies-to-nobel-prize-winner-brian-josephson-956_C12.aspx Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)
On 2011-11-23 19:51, Mary Yugo wrote: Does anyone still believe that after all the equivocations Rossi is going to produce an E-cat for independent testing anywhere? If so, when? To whom? Anyone think he's going to produce a credible customer with some results? Same question: when? Regarding the UoB, this might partially answer your question: http://corrieredibologna.corriere.it/bologna/notizie/cronaca/2011/23-novembre-2011/fusione-fredda-svolta-o-bluff-cat-sotto-esame-ateneo-1902274913518.shtml An excerpt translated in English for you: Our interest is very strong - states Paolo Capiluppi, director of the [Physics Department of the University of Bologna] - We are very curious but to us it's truth only what we can measure. To make the contract active, the payment of the first instalment of the 50 euro Rossi committed to fund to sustain all costs, is needed. We should start briefly, within a few weeks - confides Enrico Campari, professor of experimental physics and scientific person in charge of the research with Giuseppe Levi -, by [next] summer we could have the first scientific reports of the obtained results, which we will disclose in scientific journals. So, in a few weeks of time, it seems. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: On 2011-11-23 19:51, Mary Yugo wrote: So, in a few weeks of time, it seems. Thanks. That's very helpful. It seems to me that the critical step is giving an E-cat to the university which has not happened. I will go a notch towards belief in the reality of Rossi's claims *if* it ever does. I am skeptical that it will. Incidentally, Rossi wrote in his blog that while the university can not talk about the research until it has been completed, they are free to report when they receive an E-cat. I don't know why the U can't simply do a preliminary test to see and *report* if the E-cat even works before they bother to figure out *how* it works and nobody has ever answered that adequately. Of course, I asked Rossi on his blog and he declined to acknowledge or publish the question.
Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)
On 2011-11-23 20:06, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Akira: Just want to thank you for taking time to monitor what's being said at various websites and then taking time to update the Vort Collective... it is much appreciated! It's not hard work at all - If you know where to look! Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)
Rossi is consistent in this stance. He seems to respect Josephson, but not changing for him. On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: On 2011-11-23 20:06, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: Akira: Just want to thank you for taking time to monitor what's being said at various websites and then taking time to update the Vort Collective... it is much appreciated! It's not hard work at all - If you know where to look! Cheers, S.A. -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com Author, The Secret Power Beneath https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/
Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)
Am 23.11.2011 20:41, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: On 2011-11-23 19:51, Mary Yugo wrote: Does anyone still believe that after all the equivocations Rossi is going to produce an E-cat for independent testing anywhere? If so, when? To whom? Anyone think he's going to produce a credible customer with some results? Same question: when? I believe, only customers skilled in the art will buy an ecat system. Because the ecat is a raw heater system and must be connected to other devices or systems. Therefore, if there is a customer who is willing to publish, we should know more soon. Without such a customer everything will stay unknown. Regarding the UoB, this might partially answer your question: http://corrieredibologna.corriere.it/bologna/notizie/cronaca/2011/23-novembre-2011/fusione-fredda-svolta-o-bluff-cat-sotto-esame-ateneo-1902274913518.shtml An excerpt translated in English for you: Our interest is very strong - states Paolo Capiluppi, director of the [Physics Department of the University of Bologna] - We are very curious but to us it's truth only what we can measure. To make the contract active, the payment of the first instalment of the 50 euro Rossi committed to fund to sustain all costs, is needed. We should start briefly, within a few weeks - confides Enrico Campari, professor of experimental physics and scientific person in charge of the research with Giuseppe Levi -, by [next] summer we could have the first scientific reports of the obtained results, which we will disclose in scientific journals. Rossi always said the research at universities will be confidential. because he pays he will make the stipulations and one of them could be not to publish results when these are bad for his business. He can make them stipulations that they are unable to accept. Same with Upsalla. So he can win time and can repeat for some years it will soon be tested at University XYZ. If they gets bored and deny, he finds a new test-partner. This keeps announcements and zero cost advertising press articles coming. A genius concept, but not new, its the old trick, but in unbelievable dimensions. He is a genius. So, in a few weeks of time, it seems. Maybe new announcements without real results all weeks. I do -sadly- not expect more and would be happy, if I am in error. Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)
At 11:41 AM 11/23/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Thanks for the translation, which google garbles. Could you please do the same for the last sentence : Details that do not interest to researchers. With our equipment we will go in the shed that Rossi makes available to make the measurements - Campari says - will be free and independent measurements to verify whether the system produces a large amount of energy.
Re: [Vo]:Andrea Rossi replies to Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson (Focus.it)
On 2011-11-23 21:15, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Details that do not interest to researchers. With our equipment we will go in the shed that Rossi makes available to make the measurements - Campari says - will be free and independent measurements to verify whether the system produces a large amount of energy. Google already does a good job here. [...] [But these are] details [1] that don't matter to researchers. With our equipment we'll go in the shed [2] Rossi will make available for us to take measurements - Campari explains - these will be free [for us to do], independent measurements to verify whether the system produces a large a mount of energy. [1] regarding Rossi's past [2] Rossi's factory seen on videos of tests in October. Cheers, S.A.
