Re: [Vo]:Beene and Blanton: Self-Runnier vs. 1 MW plant : Duel to the Death!
Where was this suspicious pre-demo mentioned? Sent from my iPhone. On May 13, 2011, at 22:48, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: No disagreement to speak of - not to mention in a couple of months I might be arguing Terry's position and he might have mine. But the truth will out, and therefore let me state a present concern more succinctly. First, rent the movie Boiler Room if you have not seen it... for the entertainment value alone. Second, there is evidence that an interim pre-demo will take place in 8-10 weeks in Xanthi, Greece - invitation only - which will coincide with a founders stock offering. This will be a fully staged and produced media event featuring a working factory making E-Cats ... and with a quite few of them in apparent operation - but do not touch anything, or ask too many questions, even if you hear extravagant claims. Since it is not the 'official' demo, nor the official IPO, there will be no skeptical criticism, and in the end no more facts will be known than now. The set-up of a good pump and dump is to get a percentage of shares out to well-connected investors and other brokers - who provide constant pumping action 'on the street' since they have priority for more. These touts and pundits will be televised in the media, praising the technology and begging for more stock. Feeding frenzy ensues. Good reason to hire a stockbroker, instead of a technologist or real manager, to head your company. I have heard that it is possible for a startup to obtain authorization to issue 100 billion shares with no prior record of a real product - but that could be only in Calgary or BC :) None of this is a huge problem if you have a rock-solid product to offer with nothing to hide ... hmmm ... kinda like the Ballard fuel cell ? -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Ah Finally! Ladies and Gentlemen! Time for this evening's main attraction! I hate to disappoint the audience; but, there will be no fight here. I understand Jones' opinion, respect his opinion and will defend to the death his right to express it. But, opinions are like rectums, we all have them and they all stink. Until the truth outs, it's all speculum. T
[Vo]:Beene and Blanton: Self-Runnier vs. 1 MW plant : Duel to the Death!
Ah Finally! Ladies and Gentlemen! Time for this evening's main attraction! We have two different POVs dueling for supremacy. This evening's fight theme: Would a self-running Rossi demonstration device be taken seriously by the world, or would a 1 Megawatt thermal plant suffice. In one corner we have the honorable Jones Beene, a former lawyer and scrappy debater who has disarmed many a wannabe challenger with his articulate linguistic punches. Jones' opening punch: A self-runner is the holy grail. No one has ever done it to date in LENR. I hope that the current situation is oversight, and that Defkalion did not realize that COP8 will essentially guarantee a self-runner. But Rossi could put all the worries aside when he closes the loop with or without their approval. Why would Rossi not want to do this? Does he not trust his own skills? In the opposite corner, the honorable Terry Blanton, who has accumulated vast personal experience in the trials and tribulations of trying to create a self-running alternate energy device, such as the SPRAIN project. Very few linguistic punches are likely to get past Terry's first-hand experience in this field. Terry's opening punch: I am not so sure that merely self running would attract billions quickly. I think it would have to self run for a very long time for people to believe it. Finsrud's mobile kinda self runs doesn't it? I'm not even sure that self running and lighting a light bulb would bring billions quickly. But generating a megawatt of heat? Now *that* will impress the masses. Honestly, from my experience, I think that having a massive fire burning is what it will take. Figuratively speaking, you'll be able to see it for miles and miles. Gentlemen. Let me check your gloves. No hitting below the belt. Ding! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Beene and Blanton: Self-Runnier vs. 1 MW plant : Duel to the Death!
Terry, what happened to Paul Sprain's motor anyway? On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:20 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Ah Finally! Ladies and Gentlemen! Time for this evening's main attraction! We have two different POVs dueling for supremacy. This evening's fight theme: Would a self-running Rossi demonstration device be taken seriously by the world, or would a 1 Megawatt thermal plant suffice. In one corner we have the honorable Jones Beene, a former lawyer and scrappy debater who has disarmed many a wannabe challenger with his articulate linguistic punches. Jones' opening punch: A self-runner is the holy grail. No one has ever done it to date in LENR. I hope that the current situation is oversight, and that Defkalion did not realize that COP8 will essentially guarantee a self-runner. But Rossi could put all the worries aside when he closes the loop with or without their approval. Why would Rossi not want to do this? Does he not trust his own skills? In the opposite corner, the honorable Terry Blanton, who has accumulated vast personal experience in the trials and tribulations of trying to create a self-running alternate energy device, such as the SPRAIN project. Very few linguistic punches are likely to get past Terry's first-hand experience in this field. Terry's opening punch: I am not so sure that merely self running would attract billions quickly. I think it would have to self run for a very long time for people to believe it. Finsrud's mobile kinda self runs doesn't it? I'm not even sure that self running and lighting a light bulb would bring billions quickly. But generating a megawatt of heat? Now *that* will impress the masses. Honestly, from my experience, I think that having a massive fire burning is what it will take. Figuratively speaking, you'll be able to see it for miles and miles. Gentlemen. Let me check your gloves. No hitting below the belt. Ding! Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Beene and Blanton: Self-Runnier vs. 1 MW plant : Duel to the Death!
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, what happened to Paul Sprain's motor anyway? Believe it or not, it's presently locked up in a warehouse along with boxes of various pumps and lights and other sundry products. I am not at liberty to discuss it in detail; however, suffice it to say that one should not depend on complex measurement devices alone. Use some very basic physical tests to verify performance. I did provide performance calculations based on data submitted to me. I made some errors in calculations; but, corrected them and learned a huge amount about mechanics. After all that, the data submitted always showed OU performance. My initial errors were in the degree of OU. I perfected several spreadsheets on pulse motor efficiency calculations; and, over the course of about two years can probably say that few people know more about these things. In the scale up process, new wide range sensors were purchased and anomalies began to show in the measurements. Highly credentialed people were engaged at this time. I never was engaged to actually take data; but, when the anomalies showed up, I was asked if I could explain them and was allowed access to the testing lab. My tests involved nothing more complex than lifting a weight against gravity instead of measuring torque. Ever think about torque? It's really a complex issue. Variations of the configuration were tested. We even tested the school girl motor a la Bedini. After all of these tests, we concluded that the magnetic cycle was conservative and it was all packed up and stored. If you have any ideas on magnetic motors, let me know. I can probably get them tested for you. T
Re: [Vo]:Beene and Blanton: Self-Runnier vs. 1 MW plant : Duel to the Death!
I wonder if there are two separate mechanisms at work in the Rossi reaction; the one that supports standalone self running and potential meltdowns and another separate mechanism that supports active control of the reaction through the positive action of the control box thereby supporting well behaved operation. Rossi may be disabling the former in favor of the latter. If so, self running may not be possible anymore in the newest Cat-E models. On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, what happened to Paul Sprain's motor anyway? Believe it or not, it's presently locked up in a warehouse along with boxes of various pumps and lights and other sundry products. I am not at liberty to discuss it in detail; however, suffice it to say that one should not depend on complex measurement devices alone. Use some very basic physical tests to verify performance. I did provide performance calculations based on data submitted to me. I made some errors in calculations; but, corrected them and learned a huge amount about mechanics. After all that, the data submitted always showed OU performance. My initial errors were in the degree of OU. I perfected several spreadsheets on pulse motor efficiency calculations; and, over the course of about two years can probably say that few people know more about these things. In the scale up process, new wide range sensors were purchased and anomalies began to show in the measurements. Highly credentialed people were engaged at this time. I never was engaged to actually take data; but, when the anomalies showed up, I was asked if I could explain them and was allowed access to the testing lab. My tests involved nothing more complex than lifting a weight against gravity instead of measuring torque. Ever think about torque? It's really a complex issue. Variations of the configuration were tested. We even tested the school girl motor a la Bedini. After all of these tests, we concluded that the magnetic cycle was conservative and it was all packed up and stored. If you have any ideas on magnetic motors, let me know. I can probably get them tested for you. T
Re: [Vo]:Beene and Blanton: Self-Runnier vs. 1 MW plant : Duel to the Death!
Right, that is the function of the internal heater. Reaction only occuring at the high temps adjacent to the heater, falling off quickly to the periphery. Self-running would be at very high temps throughout; then the only control is H2 pressure, and that may not be enough control to prevent overrun and meltdown. Problematic as well in that water or glycol coolant could be at too low a temp to allow self-running at the core - self running may need much higher temps of steam coolant. It seems to me there is a very shallow volume of reactant immediate to the internal heater - how would this heater best be optimized in shape for replication if the reaction is only occuring in the mm or two adjacent? Scaling up may need internal heater design to maximize surface area per watt elec heat input. - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Beene and Blanton: Self-Runnier vs. 1 MW plant : Duel to the Death! I wonder if there are two separate mechanisms at work in the Rossi reaction; the one that supports standalone self running and potential meltdowns and another separate mechanism that supports active control of the reaction through the positive action of the control box thereby supporting well behaved operation. Rossi may be disabling the former in favor of the latter. If so, self running may not be possible anymore in the newest Cat-E models. On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:31 PM, John Berry aethe...@gmail.com wrote: Terry, what happened to Paul Sprain's motor anyway? Believe it or not, it's presently locked up in a warehouse along with boxes of various pumps and lights and other sundry products. I am not at liberty to discuss it in detail; however, suffice it to say that one should not depend on complex measurement devices alone. Use some very basic physical tests to verify performance. I did provide performance calculations based on data submitted to me. I made some errors in calculations; but, corrected them and learned a huge amount about mechanics. After all that, the data submitted always showed OU performance. My initial errors were in the degree of OU. I perfected several spreadsheets on pulse motor efficiency calculations; and, over the course of about two years can probably say that few people know more about these things. In the scale up process, new wide range sensors were purchased and anomalies began to show in the measurements. Highly credentialed people were engaged at this time. I never was engaged to actually take data; but, when the anomalies showed up, I was asked if I could explain them and was allowed access to the testing lab. My tests involved nothing more complex than lifting a weight against gravity instead of measuring torque. Ever think about torque? It's really a complex issue. Variations of the configuration were tested. We even tested the school girl motor a la Bedini. After all of these tests, we concluded that the magnetic cycle was conservative and it was all packed up and stored. If you have any ideas on magnetic motors, let me know. I can probably get them tested for you. T
Re: [Vo]:Beene and Blanton: Self-Runnier vs. 1 MW plant : Duel to the Death!
On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 4:20 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Ah Finally! Ladies and Gentlemen! Time for this evening's main attraction! I hate to disappoint the audience; but, there will be no fight here. I understand Jones' opinion, respect his opinion and will defend to the death his right to express it. But, opinions are like rectums, we all have them and they all stink. Until the truth outs, it's all speculum. T
RE: [Vo]:Beene and Blanton: Self-Runnier vs. 1 MW plant : Duel to the Death!
No disagreement to speak of - not to mention in a couple of months I might be arguing Terry's position and he might have mine. But the truth will out, and therefore let me state a present concern more succinctly. First, rent the movie Boiler Room if you have not seen it... for the entertainment value alone. Second, there is evidence that an interim pre-demo will take place in 8-10 weeks in Xanthi, Greece - invitation only - which will coincide with a founders stock offering. This will be a fully staged and produced media event featuring a working factory making E-Cats ... and with a quite few of them in apparent operation - but do not touch anything, or ask too many questions, even if you hear extravagant claims. Since it is not the 'official' demo, nor the official IPO, there will be no skeptical criticism, and in the end no more facts will be known than now. The set-up of a good pump and dump is to get a percentage of shares out to well-connected investors and other brokers - who provide constant pumping action 'on the street' since they have priority for more. These touts and pundits will be televised in the media, praising the technology and begging for more stock. Feeding frenzy ensues. Good reason to hire a stockbroker, instead of a technologist or real manager, to head your company. I have heard that it is possible for a startup to obtain authorization to issue 100 billion shares with no prior record of a real product - but that could be only in Calgary or BC :) None of this is a huge problem if you have a rock-solid product to offer with nothing to hide ... hmmm ... kinda like the Ballard fuel cell ? -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Ah Finally! Ladies and Gentlemen! Time for this evening's main attraction! I hate to disappoint the audience; but, there will be no fight here. I understand Jones' opinion, respect his opinion and will defend to the death his right to express it. But, opinions are like rectums, we all have them and they all stink. Until the truth outs, it's all speculum. T
