Re: [Vo]:Case and Mizuno

2008-12-10 Thread Horace Heffner


On Dec 9, 2008, at 2:47 PM, Jones Beene wrote:

In 2002 Infinite Energy published a paper What is Missing in Les  
Case’s Catalytic Fusion - it did not mention phenanthrene. No  
surprise there.


Maybe just maybe - especially if Mizuno is even partly replicated,  
it will be  time to revisit the Case experiments but with  
phenanthrene as a featured ingredient ... the absence of which  
could be the reason that his experiments were hard to replicate.


That is: if phenanthrene is the active material in Mizuno, it is  
likely to have been an active material in Case due to the charcoal.  
Its fluorescence properties (or something else) might be the key to  
it s activity but it is certain that Case could not have known this  
back then, and the many types of carbon and charcoal which were  
tried to no avail would be unreliable souces for this particular  
chemical. It would be hit-or-miss in the situation where you bought  
a kind of charcoal which was sometimes active - but you did not  
know the identity of the active constituent.


It is worth noting that soot and smoke from all varieties of  
organic matter contains varying amounts of phenanthrene and this is  
known because of health organizations tracking toxicity. It is  
highly likely that charcoal from many source can contain it - or  
not, depending on factors associated with their own manufacture.  
But unless it is known and specified then that could alter an  
experimental results drastically.


Jones


The carbon in Case's catalyst came from burning coconut shells IIRC.  
Maybe Case didn't run his experiments at high enough a temperature?   
He most likely didn't check for C13 either I would expect. It might  
be interesting to do a Mizuno style hot hydrogen experiment carbon  
powder at high temperature in the presence of or combined with  
various nano sized metals or alloys, especially carbon including  
alloys, and then analyze the residue.


Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/






[Vo]:Case and Mizuno

2008-12-09 Thread Jones Beene
In 2002 Infinite Energy published a paper What is Missing in Les Case’s 
Catalytic Fusion - it did not mention phenanthrene. No surprise there.

Maybe just maybe - especially if Mizuno is even partly replicated, it will be  
time to revisit the Case experiments but with phenanthrene as a featured 
ingredient ... the absence of which could be the reason that his experiments 
were hard to replicate.  

That is: if phenanthrene is the active material in Mizuno, it is likely to have 
been an active material in Case due to the charcoal. Its fluorescence 
properties (or something else) might be the key to it s activity but it is 
certain that Case could not have known this back then, and the many types of 
carbon and charcoal which were tried to no avail would be unreliable souces for 
this particular chemical. It would be hit-or-miss in the situation where you 
bought a kind of charcoal which was sometimes active - but you did not know the 
identity of the active constituent.

It is worth noting that soot and smoke from all varieties of organic matter 
contains varying amounts of phenanthrene and this is known because of health 
organizations tracking toxicity. It is highly likely that charcoal from many 
source can contain it - or not, depending on factors associated with their own 
manufacture. But unless it is known and specified then that could alter an 
experimental results drastically.

Jones