[Vo]:Celani's cell did NOT vary with pressure!

2012-12-09 Thread Harry Veeder
Celani's cell did NOT vary with pressure!

 on 08 December 2012.


Dear world,

We have an admission and an apology to make, on the upside, some very
important developments have occurred as a result.

When we first started seeing a correlation of sorts between Pxs and
Pressure in the US cell, I asked for this to be investigated more
deeply and Malachi, Ryan and the team did fantastic further work and
analysis showing a potentially challenging finding. We are going to
investigate this further and have made extra calibrations in US and EU
cells to do exactly that moving forward.

What we did not say was that Celani had already been challenged at NI
week and ICCF17 and subsequently on this exact potential issue and had
carried out specific experiments to test for a measurable effect and
reported back to his critics his findings which did not, in his cell,
show the kind of relationship have seen. We had received this email a
little after the 7th October 2012, but in the pressures of everything
had simply forgotten about it, in hindsight, it was probably the
reason we pushed for the investigation. Having said that, we were not
given permission to share emails between MFMP and Celani openly, had
we been able to then the community watching our journey would have
surely reminded us.

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Re: [Vo]:Celani's cell did NOT vary with pressure!

2012-12-09 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
As the comments on the posting suggest, it seems (in hindsight) a mistake
that MFMP chose to accept Celani's recommendation of building the cell from
quartz for safety reasons. The safety issues could have been addressed with
additional shielding and the only consequence would have been modest
inconvenience in working around the lab setup.

A corollary is that everything I've ever heard about Celani makes me think
he is a really wonderful man. He must have guessed the change would
complicated matters but he still put the safety of experiments first even
at a critical juncture. I admire him very much and I wish I could meet him.

Jeff


On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 Celani's cell did NOT vary with pressure!

  on 08 December 2012.


 Dear world,

 We have an admission and an apology to make, on the upside, some very
 important developments have occurred as a result.

 When we first started seeing a correlation of sorts between Pxs and
 Pressure in the US cell, I asked for this to be investigated more
 deeply and Malachi, Ryan and the team did fantastic further work and
 analysis showing a potentially challenging finding. We are going to
 investigate this further and have made extra calibrations in US and EU
 cells to do exactly that moving forward.

 What we did not say was that Celani had already been challenged at NI
 week and ICCF17 and subsequently on this exact potential issue and had
 carried out specific experiments to test for a measurable effect and
 reported back to his critics his findings which did not, in his cell,
 show the kind of relationship have seen. We had received this email a
 little after the 7th October 2012, but in the pressures of everything
 had simply forgotten about it, in hindsight, it was probably the
 reason we pushed for the investigation. Having said that, we were not
 given permission to share emails between MFMP and Celani openly, had
 we been able to then the community watching our journey would have
 surely reminded us.

 -- continues --

 http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/171-celani-did-not-see-that-effect