Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
Xavier Luminous wrote: Not telling others you are gay isn't living a lie, it's just nobody's damn > business but your own. > I agree, this is a personal matter. My only objection to T. A. Randi is that he knows nothing about this subject yet he pontificates about it as if he does. Robert Park *does* know something about cold fusion, despite the fact that he claims he has never read a paper about it. He has met with cold fusion researchers. He knows a great deal about physics. So do people such as Huizenga and Garwin. I think they are much worse than Randi or other mass media figure such as "science reporters" like Lemonick or Gibbs who know nothing about science. I don't blame silly people for being ignorant or mistaken. I blame smart people who should be careful, and who should know better. The usefulness of harsh critics in science has been exaggerated. A good scientist is his own harshest critic. As Martin Fleischmann says, "it is the easiest thing in the world to convince yourself you have nothing." Third rate scientists sometimes fool themselves into thinking that an instrument artifact is a real effect. Such mistakes are easily discovered by others. We don't need harsh critics to look for such things. A polite, respectful critique is called for. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
Greetings Vortex-l I grew up in the Sixties.Live and Let Live. Re: Randi. the man who came out of the closet..should be glad to see cold fusion ..to coin a phrase..."See Cold Fusion- Come Out of the Closet". The "Cold Fusion Bashers" killed the careers of Pons and Fleichman...no prisioners.. ..no apologies. With respect to all, Ron Kita On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > > You still do not get it, Xavier. > > The "lie" is not his personal predilections or sexuality - it is pretending > to be an expert in a field in which he has not trained, and completely > incompetent. > > Because he is a magician - he is trained at deceit. IOW he is a trained > deceiver (liar) and a master at that trade. By comparison, Rossi is an > amateur. > > That expertise in deceit is not, and cannot be a matter of doubt. > > He is living that kind of lie, even if "it's nobody's damn business". > > And by the way - it is +always+ someone else's damn business when a gay man > chooses to marry a have children. Even if the wife knows - it is unfair to > the child who has no choice in the deception. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Xavier Luminous > > > Let me answer a criticism to Ron's post. It is not homophobic. It is > about > > "living a lie." > > http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/914-how-to-say-it.html > > Not telling others you are gay isn't living a lie, it's just nobody's damn > business but your own. > > -X > > > > >
RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
You still do not get it, Xavier. The "lie" is not his personal predilections or sexuality - it is pretending to be an expert in a field in which he has not trained, and completely incompetent. Because he is a magician - he is trained at deceit. IOW he is a trained deceiver (liar) and a master at that trade. By comparison, Rossi is an amateur. That expertise in deceit is not, and cannot be a matter of doubt. He is living that kind of lie, even if "it's nobody's damn business". And by the way - it is +always+ someone else's damn business when a gay man chooses to marry a have children. Even if the wife knows - it is unfair to the child who has no choice in the deception. -Original Message- From: Xavier Luminous > Let me answer a criticism to Ron's post. It is not homophobic. It is about > "living a lie." http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/914-how-to-say-it.html Not telling others you are gay isn't living a lie, it's just nobody's damn business but your own. -X
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 07:01:17AM -0700, Jones Beene wrote: > Let me answer a criticism to Ron's post. It is not homophobic. It is about > "living a lie." http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/914-how-to-say-it.html Not telling others you are gay isn't living a lie, it's just nobody's damn business but your own. -X > > The "point" is that blind skepticism, even if it manages to expose nasty > con-men (or poor magicians) 99% of the time, can be harmful to society in > net results - if the 1% of time is so completely in error - that it severs > the purpose of greed barons (to wit: OPEC) and jealous competitors in the > ranks of science. In fact skepticism, or eve exorbitant levels of criticism, > can be devastating to society when it is wrong and yet well-intentioned yet > manages to stifle game-changing technology - as almost happened from the > shoddy efforts of Randi/Park and their ilk. > > > > Neither were qualified to jump onto LENR as "pathological science" - when > the only thing pathological could possibly be in the lie they are living in > their personal lives. Please do not take this the wrong way - Randi's > homosexuality is not the issue. Nor is Park's aversion to doing real > science. Make no mistake - these are both "entertainers" not scientists - > and neither particularly bright. The MacArthur thing is disgusting. > > > > The issue is basic honesty - and pretending to be an expert, or > knowledgeable in something which you are not, as both have done over the > years . and regrettably to the cheers of some, when they were able to expose > a Dennis Lee type of con-man. Cheers. But this kind of minor success lets > the "entertainer" think he has real insight and he becomes emboldened and > lazy, so that it becomes a reflex reactions - and essentially becomes blind > - no longer merely an entertainment shtick. > > > > The results can set progress back decades- and this has almost happened > since 1989 in LENR. > > > > The most ironic thing is that a person who could be a con-man himself, > Andrea Rossi, has managed to revive a dying field. I think that the field is > past the tipping point now, and yes - we will outlive the Rossi affair in > short term. > > > > > > From: Ron Kita > > > > Greetings Vortex-L: > > > > It was "nice" to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money that > they > > could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money on > good scientific research !!! > > > > Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- 2010..is > this "Great Magic"...hmm? > > I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make > Park...disappear??? > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi > > > > Ron Kita, Chiralex > > >
RE: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
Let me answer a criticism to Ron's post. It is not homophobic. It is about "living a lie." The "point" is that blind skepticism, even if it manages to expose nasty con-men (or poor magicians) 99% of the time, can be harmful to society in net results - if the 1% of time is so completely in error - that it severs the purpose of greed barons (to wit: OPEC) and jealous competitors in the ranks of science. In fact skepticism, or eve exorbitant levels of criticism, can be devastating to society when it is wrong and yet well-intentioned yet manages to stifle game-changing technology - as almost happened from the shoddy efforts of Randi/Park and their ilk. Neither were qualified to jump onto LENR as "pathological science" - when the only thing pathological could possibly be in the lie they are living in their personal lives. Please do not take this the wrong way - Randi's homosexuality is not the issue. Nor is Park's aversion to doing real science. Make no mistake - these are both "entertainers" not scientists - and neither particularly bright. The MacArthur thing is disgusting. The issue is basic honesty - and pretending to be an expert, or knowledgeable in something which you are not, as both have done over the years . and regrettably to the cheers of some, when they were able to expose a Dennis Lee type of con-man. Cheers. But this kind of minor success lets the "entertainer" think he has real insight and he becomes emboldened and lazy, so that it becomes a reflex reactions - and essentially becomes blind - no longer merely an entertainment shtick. The results can set progress back decades- and this has almost happened since 1989 in LENR. The most ironic thing is that a person who could be a con-man himself, Andrea Rossi, has managed to revive a dying field. I think that the field is past the tipping point now, and yes - we will outlive the Rossi affair in short term. From: Ron Kita Greetings Vortex-L: It was "nice" to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money that they could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money on good scientific research !!! Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- 2010..is this "Great Magic"...hmm? I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make Park...disappear??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi Ron Kita, Chiralex
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
But this is old news... 2012/4/19 > > Here is the point: > http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Flenr-canr.org%2Facrobat%2FMalloveEthepseudos.pdf&ei=8RKQT87KKajs0gHD1LmeBQ&usg=AFQjCNEjyhqjKX82ijdEYeO95Nu_HgFLTA&sig2=4uBkWtfnxnIS6Kop-dhjYw > > > > Daniel Rocha wrote: > > And your point is...? > > 2012/4/19 Ron Kita > >> Greetings Vortex-L: >> >> It was "nice" to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money >> that they >> could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting >> money on good scientific research !!! >> >> Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- >> 2010..is this "Great Magic"...hmm? >> I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make >> Park...disappear??? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi >> >> Ron Kita, Chiralex >> >> > > > > -- > Daniel Rocha - RJ > danieldi...@gmail.com > > > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
Here is the point: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDEQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Flenr-canr.org%2Facrobat%2FMalloveEthepseudos.pdf&ei=8RKQT87KKajs0gHD1LmeBQ&usg=AFQjCNEjyhqjKX82ijdEYeO95Nu_HgFLTA&sig2=4uBkWtfnxnIS6Kop-dhjYw Daniel Rocha wrote: And your point is...? 2012/4/19 Ron Kita < chiralex.k...@gmail.com > Greetings Vortex-L: It was "nice" to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money that they could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money on good scientific research !!! Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- 2010..is this "Great Magic"...hmm? I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make Park...disappear??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi Ron Kita, Chiralex -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
And your point is...? 2012/4/19 Ron Kita > Greetings Vortex-L: > > It was "nice" to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money > that they > could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money > on good scientific research !!! > > Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- > 2010..is this "Great Magic"...hmm? > I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make > Park...disappear??? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi > > Ron Kita, Chiralex > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Cold Fusion--Fraud...James Randi and Robert Park...hmmmmm
Greetings Vortex-L: It was "nice" to see that the McArthur Foundation had so much money that they could bestow James Randi a Fellowship. Nothing worse than wasting money on good scientific research !!! Randi a good magician ...kept his gay-ness hidden until recently- 2010..is this "Great Magic"...hmm? I wonder about Robert Park..hmmm..? Could Randi..make Park...disappear??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Randi Ron Kita, Chiralex
