Re: [Vo]:Eat your heart out EEStor

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 8:06 PM Jones Beene  wrote:

> When one researches the many cross-connections embedded in the evolving
> Maxwell/Tesla storage tech
>

Ultracaps and batteries can be complementary technologies also.  UCs are
used in hydrogen fuel cell powered cars because fuel cells don't throttle
like your foot demands on the accelerator and brake pedals.  The UCs allow
rapid transients to accommodate that "heavy foot".  :)

With batteries, UCs can have a similar use since the battery is a chemical
reaction over time.  The life of the battery can be extended if you don't
jolt it by using UCs to taper those demands.

...

Unfortunately, the most powerful companies on the planet as of today have
> their wealth at stake and will fight and legislate against this technology
> till the bitter end.
>

I had the pleasure of seeing this happen in the 80's with AT during my
employment with US Sprint.  At first, they fought the competition when MCI
came into being.  Then they fought against single-mode fiber tech until USS
turned on the nation-wide network.  AT took a $4B write-off in the late
80's when they dumped their analog microwave network.

An amusing anecdote:  US Sprint also had microwave networks and filmed a
commercial blowing up one of their own towers.  Unfortunately, in a failure
to communicate , that particular tower was carrying traffic still.

Re: [Vo]:Eat your heart out EEStor

[Jones Beene]

When one researches the many cross-connections embedded in the evolving 
Maxwell/Tesla storage tech - between Elon Musk, Shirley Meng, John Goodenough, 
Jeff Dahn, Christopher Fell, Sunny Hy and more - yes that John Goodenough - he 
is also involved in this- with the so called glass electrode "dry battery" 
which is really more of an ultracap than a battery... it is not much of a leap 
of faith to imagine that a major breakthrough in battery storage technology is 
poised to be announced in 2020. 

This is no secret - they are coauthors on published papers and patent apps. Now 
imagine this: Mills or Holmlid or their offshoots - are able to sneak in 
through the back door with a dense hydrogen charge carrier... UDH is not 
absolutely needed, as lithium supplies are greater than first thought, but it 
could help with weight elimination. 

Bottom line ... once you get a battery up to a reliable energy density of 
greater than 500 Whr/kg (about twice the current state of the art level) and 
with fast recharging - then the petrol-fueled ICE becomes basically "ancient 
history" and oil prices will plummet.
Unfortunately, the most powerful companies on the planet as of today have their 
wealth at stake and will fight and legislate against this technology till the 
bitter end. Or else they will buy in.
If you are selling Tesla short, it makes more sense to eat crow and sell Aramco 
or Exxon short, especially if you see them buying into Tesla... which they will 
do when the trends become a little more obvious.

Re: [Vo]:Eat your heart out EEStor

[Jones Beene]

 
Terry Blanton wrote:  
 > Tesla pushed $500 today and has a larger cap than GM and Ford combined.  
 > Which reminded of the above.  Whatever happened to them and ZENN?
  

The most amazing thing of all in this incredible story is that Tesla has been 
teetering on failure over and over, not unlike that other company whose name 
will soon be lost in history - and yet Saint Elon somehow pulls victory from 
the jaws of defeat ... to the detriment of short sellers.
Here is good vid from Bloomberg on the early years - and it does not even 
include the amazing happenings of the past few years.
The acquisition of Maxwell is a great unknown that brings back the vision of 
EEStor - and the potential advantages of ultracaps. If that tech does pan out 
soon, then Tesla will have a larger cap than the rest of the automotive 
industry combined.
OTOH ... he has almost been too lucky. What are the odds? 

It is no wonder many think he is superhuman if not an evolutionary leap.



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Re: [Vo]:Eat your heart out EEStor

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:55 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

> Years ago, many of us on Vortex followed the unfolding story of EEStor.
> Another bummer.
>

Tesla pushed $500 today and has a larger cap than GM and Ford combined.
Which reminded of the above.  Whatever happened to them and ZENN?  The last
paragraph in their Wikipedia article says:

"ZENN Motor Company  Inc.
has changed its name to "EEStor Corporation" to better reflect the focus
and activities of the Company.[38]
 The name
change was approved by shareholders at the Company's annual and special
meeting held on March 31, 2015. EEStor Corporation
 formerly (ZENN Motor Company) publicly trades
on the Canadian exchanges as symbol ESU [39]
 and on the US stock
exchanges as OTC stock symbol ZNNMF.[40]
 EEStor Corporation
holds 71% equity while the other percent is held privately."

Re: [Vo]:Eat your heart out EEStor

[Ron Wormus]

Sounds like it would be perfect for Mills low voltage high amp 
applications.


--On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 11:55 AM -0800 JonesBeene 
 wrote:





Years ago, many of us on Vortex followed the unfolding story of EEStor.
Another bummer.



The made amazing claims for Ultracapitors that were better than the best
lithium batteries in every respect.

Then they crashed and burned… although they are apparently still in
business.



Their BaTiO dielectric has achieved third-party certification of
dielectric constant (K) of 16,000 at 500 volts.



That should blow away Elon's lithium design but would probably be best
suited to work in tandem – the so-called Batt-Cap.



The one below has K of 25,000,000,000   but … catch-22, that
number is at 1 V.



In theory but not in practice one could wire 500 of them in series, and
beat the socks off EEStor, but… there are problems with that approach.

I will save the details for another occasion.



You may recognize the name of the author if you have followed the field
of fractional hydrogen:



Superdielectric Materials Composed of NaCl, H2O and

Porous Alumina



By Jonathan Phillips

Prof. Physics

Naval Postgraduate School

Monterey, CA 93950





CONCLUSION- The most significant finding of the present study is
empirical: a

pH neutral aqueous solution of NaCl in a porous alumina constitutes a
super dielectric

material. Moreover, the dielectric constant was a function of salt
concentration, reaching

a maximum value, at nearly one volt, of greater than 2.5 1010 (25
billion), establishing

that super dielectrics have dielectric constants orders of magnitude
greater than any

previously observed. This suggests that super dielectric materials, as
per earlier

suggestion, are a broad class of materials: porous, non-conductive
materials saturated

with ion-containing liquids.

[Vo]:Eat your heart out EEStor

[JonesBeene]

Years ago, many of us on Vortex followed the unfolding story of EEStor. Another 
bummer.

The made amazing claims for Ultracapitors that were better than the best 
lithium batteries in every respect.
Then they crashed and burned… although they are apparently still in business.

Their BaTiO dielectric has achieved third-party certification of dielectric 
constant (K) of 16,000 at 500 volts.

That should blow away Elon’s lithium design but would probably be best suited 
to work in tandem – the so-called Batt-Cap.

The one below has K of 25,000,000,000   but … catch-22, that number is at 1 
V.

In theory but not in practice one could wire 500 of them in series, and beat 
the socks off EEStor, but… there are problems with that approach.
I will save the details for another occasion.

You may recognize the name of the author if you have followed the field of 
fractional hydrogen:

Superdielectric Materials Composed of NaCl, H2O and
Porous Alumina

By Jonathan Phillips
Prof. Physics
Naval Postgraduate School
Monterey, CA 93950


CONCLUSION- The most significant finding of the present study is empirical: a
pH neutral aqueous solution of NaCl in a porous alumina constitutes a super 
dielectric
material. Moreover, the dielectric constant was a function of salt 
concentration, reaching 
a maximum value, at nearly one volt, of greater than 2.5 1010 (25 billion), 
establishing
that super dielectrics have dielectric constants orders of magnitude greater 
than any
previously observed. This suggests that super dielectric materials, as per 
earlier
suggestion, are a broad class of materials: porous, non-conductive materials 
saturated
with ion-containing liquids.