[Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread pagnucco
Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2013/03/14/tiny-nuclear-reactions-inside-compact-fluorescent-bulbs/




Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
The W-L theory again!

It sure wins on PR.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread ChemE Stewart
I keep burning the damn things out at home, they were supposed to last 10
years!

On Thursday, March 14, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:

 The W-L theory again!

 It sure wins on PR.

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

I keep burning the damn things out at home, they were supposed to last 10
 years!


That's odd. Mine last 10 years or more. Maybe you have too much electricity?

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread pagnucco

More importantly, if transmutations actually occur in CFLs, Li-batteries,
or in similar environments, and can be verified, then LENR becomes very
difficult to deny - if experiments are carefully controlled.

Testable predictions should be tested.

-- Lou Pagnucco

Jed Rothwell wrote:
 The W-L theory again!

 It sure wins on PR.

 - Jed





Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread Terry Blanton
The rated CFL life as claimed by manufacturers is based on 3-hour-on/
20- minutes- off cycle of
operation. In actual applications, the CFLs are switched on and off at
different rates and under
different climatic conditions. Therefore the actual life of CFL is
different than the rated or
predicted life. If CFLs are started more frequently than the standard
3-hour on/ 20-minute off
i.e. shorter cycles operation- they will have statistically shorter
life than their rated life.

http://rtf.nwcouncil.org/meetings/2009/05/CFLCyclingImpacts_PhysicalBackground.pdf



Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread ChemE Stewart
I didn't think cfls had been at Home Depot for 10 years?  Are you thinking
regular fluorescents?

On Thursday, March 14, 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote:

 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
 'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 I keep burning the damn things out at home, they were supposed to last 10
 years!


 That's odd. Mine last 10 years or more. Maybe you have too much
 electricity?

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:

I didn't think cfls had been at Home Depot for 10 years?  Are you thinking
 regular fluorescents?


I don't know about Home Depot. They first started selling in the 1980s:

http://inventors.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://americanhistory.si.edu/lighting/20thcent/invent20.htm%23in4

I think I have had some for 20 years, especially a seldom used one in a
hallway.

Wikipedia says the first one was introduced in 1980:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp

The 1990 Scientific American Special Issue on energy discusses them a lot.
They were widespread by then.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread Harry Veeder
This CFL story could create as much buzz as the Rossi demo from january 2011.

harry

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 Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

 http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2013/03/14/tiny-nuclear-reactions-inside-compact-fluorescent-bulbs/





Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

This CFL story could create as much buzz as the Rossi demo from january
 2011.


Except it is probably not true.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Maybe PR is what we need to get LENR through the current phase of
development.

I think of the W-L theory as the Politically Correct Roundabout Theory of
LENR.   They go out of their way to proclaim loudly that it's not cold
fusion.

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Harmless low-energy nuclear reactions may be taking place routinely inside
of compact fluorescent lightbulbs, according to a physicist whose theories
have NASA 
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with the prospect of cheap, non-polluting energy.

Nuclear reactions may be responsible for an unusual fingerprint of mercury
isotopes in used fluorescents that can identify environmental pollution
from the bulbs, said Lewis Larsen, a Chicago physicist associated with
the Widom-Larsen
Theory http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/WL/WLTheory.shtml, which explores
slow nuclear reactions among elements that are not radioactive.

“Unbeknownst to the general public, dynamically active nuclear processes
are presently occurring in tens of millions of households worldwide,”
Larsen told me.

“Fortunately, there aren’t any radiological health risks associated with
CFLs because no hard radiation is emitted from them, ” Larsen said, “ and
no environmentally hazardous, long-lived radioactive isotopes are typically
created by LENRs (low energy nuclear reactions).”

Larsen has suspected low energy nuclear reactions occur in CFLs, he told
me, and is encouraged by a February study of used bulbs that found isotopes
of mercury that more conventional theories cannot explain.
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The authors of that study analyzed used fluorescent bulbs looking for a
unique fingerprint of mercury isotopes. If they could find a unique
fingerprint, researchers could identify mercury pollution in the
environment that comes from discarded fluorescents:

“All fluorescent lamps use mercury (Hg) and can be a source of Hg to the
environment when broken,” write the authors, led by Chris Mead of Arizona
State University’s Global Institute of Sustainability, in a February issue
of Environmental Science and
Technologyhttp://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es303940p(subscription
required).

As compact fluorescents command a larger share of the lighting market, the
researchers expect mercury pollution from the bulbs to increase:

“The share of atmospheric anthropogenic Hg emissions represented by
fluorescent lightbulbs in the United States is 1–5 percent. Only a third of
fluorescent lightbulbs are recycled. As fluorescent lighting continues to
supplant incandescent lighting, and as emissions from large point sources
of Hg, such as coal-fired power plants and municipal waste incinerators are
reduced, fluorescents will become an increasingly important source of Hg to
the environment. Therefore, a method to detect and quantify Hg derived from
fluorescents would be very useful.”

The researchers found their unique fingerprint for mercury from fluorescent
bulbs. But they can’t explain why it’s so unique:

“The trapped Hg of used CFL show unusually large isotopic fractionation
(the distribution of mercury into its various isotopes), the pattern of
which is entirely different from that which has been observed in previous
Hg isotope research aside from intentional isotope enrichment.”

Larsen believes he knows why the mercury isotopes in used CFLs are
different:

“When viewed through the conceptual lens of the Widom-Larsen theory, Mead
et al.’s carefully collected Hg isotope data suggests that low energy
nuclear reaction (LENR) transmutations may actually be occurring at
extremely low rates in CFLs during normal operation,” he said.

And that should make the idea of home nuclear reactors less frightening,
Larsen said.

“If this outstanding new data is substantiated by further experimentation,
it provides yet more proof that LENRs are likely to be a truly ‘green,’
safe nuclear technology.”

Larsen hopes to demonstrate that low-energy nuclear reactions are safe,
green and commonplace in part to distinguish them from fission reactions
that produce dangerous ionizing radiation in conventional reactors. He has
found 

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Tiny Nuclear Reactions Inside Compact Fluorescent Bulbs?

2013-03-14 Thread pagnucco
Jed,

Do you mean that W-L is probably not true?
- or that the various experiments reporting transmutations are false?
- if you think the experiments reporting transmutations were accurately
  performed, what theory do you favor?

-- Lou Pagnucco

Jed Rothwell wrote:
 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:

 This CFL story could create as much buzz as the Rossi demo from january
 2011.


 Except it is probably not true.

 - Jed