Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Axil Axil]

Upon further reflection, the paired proton conjecture may be on the right
track after all. In the ICCF-18 paper, Dr. Yeong E. Kim defines his
reactions in terms of deuterons, but deuteron formation can only happen
when the hydrogen isotope used in the LENR reaction is deuterium.

When protium hydrogen having a single proton and zero neutrons is used,
only protons form the hydrogen nucleus.  Deuteron formation cannot happen
because there are no neutrons in the hydrogen.

So to form a hydrogen nuclear pair, only protons are available and not
deuterons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_isomers_of_hydrogen

The parahydrogen form of hydrogen spin isomers has zero spin and is
consistent with the zero spin rule of thumb for photofusion.

Dr. Kim may have made a major mistake by taking his deuteron base theory of
Pt/D fusion and moved it unmodified into the Ni/H reactor theory. This
error is what has confused me lately. If I am not thinking correctly,
please correct me.


On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Axil Axil  wrote:

> I stand corrected.  Dr. Yeong E. has proposed a double deuteron pair as
> the boson component of his Bose Einstein condensate theory for many years.
>
>
>
> The ion member of the hydrogen dipole will be a deuteron so a cluster
> fusion reaction consistent with Kim would include those neutrons in that
> hydrogen ion pair.
>
>
>
> So sorry, please excuse me, I just made a human mistake and was not trying
> to aggravate Ed.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>>
>> [From Axil] It is a safe assumption that pairing of protons is occurring.
>>>
>>>
>>> I see no reason for this assumption. Such pairs are only found in H2,
>>> which is not nuclear reactive.
>>>
>>
>> Ed, Axil is playing with you.  See:
>> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=forum+troll
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Axil Axil]

I stand corrected.  Dr. Yeong E. has proposed a double deuteron pair as the
boson component of his Bose Einstein condensate theory for many years.



The ion member of the hydrogen dipole will be a deuteron so a cluster
fusion reaction consistent with Kim would include those neutrons in that
hydrogen ion pair.



So sorry, please excuse me, I just made a human mistake and was not trying
to aggravate Ed.




On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Eric Walker  wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:
>
> [From Axil] It is a safe assumption that pairing of protons is occurring.
>>
>>
>> I see no reason for this assumption. Such pairs are only found in H2,
>> which is not nuclear reactive.
>>
>
> Ed, Axil is playing with you.  See:
> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=forum+troll
>
> Eric
>
>

[Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles: completed

[Axil Axil]

Fusion by Pseudo-Particles



Part 1



http://www.egely.hu/letoltes/Fusion-by-Pseudo-Particles-Part1.pdf



Part 2



http://www.egely.hu/letoltes/Fusion-by-Pseudo-Particles-Part2.pdf



Part 3



http://www.egely.hu/letoltes/Fusion-by-Pseudo-Particles-Part3.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Eric Walker]

On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:

[From Axil] It is a safe assumption that pairing of protons is occurring.
>
>
> I see no reason for this assumption. Such pairs are only found in H2,
> which is not nuclear reactive.
>

Ed, Axil is playing with you.  See:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=forum+troll

Eric

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Bob Cook]

Axil and Ed--Bob here--

Note that I assumed that electrons also were around when the 4 H reaction took 
place.  The electrons react with the assembled system of particles  to make 
neutrons as required to conserve spin in the reaction and to get to a low 
energy ground state consistent with an increase of entropy in the system.  

Bob 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Axil Axil 
  To: vortex-l 
  Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 6:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles


  You also need to account for the neutrons in such a process and explain how 
so many H can enter the nucleus. You have simply thrown the clay against the 
wall to see what sticks rather than creating a pot. Anyone can do this. We need 
to know how to make a pot.  







  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture







  Electron capture is a process in which a proton-rich nuclide absorbs an inner 
atomic electron, thereby changing a nuclear proton to a neutron and 
simultaneously causing the emission of an electron neutrino. Various photon 
emissions follow, as the energy of the atom falls to the ground state of the 
new nuclide.








  On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Edmund Storms  wrote:



On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Axil Axil wrote:


  Ed states:

  This happens in a chemical system, not in plasma where your concept would 
apply. Any separation of charge must take into account the surrounding 
electrons and atoms. A "vibration" has to take place in a local region having 
no connection to the chemical structure. That is the role of the Hydroton. 
Where is your "hydroton"?


  Axil:

  The NiH reactor has a localized region of plasma formation only. This 
reactor is a pulsed system in which plasma is produced periodically in a 
localized zone. Most of the volume of the reactor's hydrogen envelope is a 
chemical system where vigorous heat driven dipole vibration of hydrogen and 
other elements occur.

  This dipole activity happens in the micro particles an nano-particles 
arrogates that condense out of the plasma.



But Axil, a lot of experience shows that this does not happen spontaneously 
in a chemical system. 


Yes, DGT applies a plasma but not to the active Ni, which is shielded in Ni 
foam. Rossi did not apply plasma initially, yet his e-Cat worked. Many other 
people have studied the Ni-H2 system without using applied plasma. Obviously, 
applied plasma is not required.  I'm trying to understand what IS REQUIRED not 
what might be imagined. 


Spontaneous plasma formation simply does not happen in a chemical system. 



  Ed states:

  I have no idea what this means and how it can happen.  We know electrons 
can be separated from the atoms and can result in an electric current  when 
voltage is applied. Where is the applied voltage in your case?  What drives the 
charge separation, which requires energy? Where does the voltage gradient come 
from that is required to move the electrons?  Without such answers, this 
description is just hand-waving.


  When two nanoparticles draw close together under the electrostatic 
attraction, they may come into contact at a limited connection. 

What causes electrostatic attraction? You must be assuming the particles 
are in a vacuum because if they have contact with a material they have no 
charge because the excess electrons have been conducted away. 




  The electrons associated with the heat driven dipole motion will hit the 
dialectic hydrogen filled boundary between the nanoparticles where they will 
form a vortex current (hot spot). This is standard nanoplasmonic theory that 
has been experimentally demonstrated. 



This simply does not happen. I have no idea what you base this idea on. 
Particles in contact do not form a discharge at their contact. The particles 
are attached to each other by chemical interaction that does not cause an 
energy difference such that the surrounding H2 is changed in any way. Your 
citation has NO relationship to what you describe. 


The waves you cite are generated on surfaces by a applied electromagnetic 
field. In addition, these waves have very little energy and localize very 
little energy, with no ability to initiate a nuclear reaction. Nuclear 
interaction requires much more energy than such processes can supply. We know 
this because this energy can be measured and reactions occur ONLY when this 
energy is supplied. LENR obviously uses a different process, but one that you 
are not addressing. 


Notice in the citation, this idea is applied to photons, not to protons.



  The evanescent waves constrain the EMF (electrons and heat) closely to 
the surface of the nanoparticles and the space between them so when their 
wavelengths eventually match, they bind together in a pair. That is what a 
polariton is. 

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave


  Ed states:

  Cooper pairs are known t

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Axil Axil]

*You also need to account for the neutrons in such a process and explain
how so many H can enter the nucleus. You have simply thrown the clay
against the wall to see what sticks rather than creating a pot. Anyone can
do this. We need to know how to make a pot.  *







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture







*Electron capture is a process in which a proton-rich nuclide absorbs an
inner atomic electron, thereby changing a nuclear proton to a neutron and
simultaneously causing the emission of an electron neutrino. Various photon
emissions follow, as the energy of the atom falls to the ground state of
the new nuclide.*






On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:

>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Ed states:
>
> This happens in a chemical system, not in plasma where your concept would
> apply. Any separation of charge must take into account the surrounding
> electrons and atoms. A "vibration" has to take place in a local region
> having no connection to the chemical structure. That is the role of the
> Hydroton. Where is your "hydroton"?
>
>
> Axil:
>
> The NiH reactor has a localized region of plasma formation only. This
> reactor is a pulsed system in which plasma is produced periodically in a
> localized zone. Most of the volume of the reactor's hydrogen envelope is a
> chemical system where vigorous heat driven dipole vibration of hydrogen and
> other elements occur.
>
> This dipole activity happens in the micro particles an nano-particles
> arrogates that condense out of the plasma.
>
>
> But Axil, a lot of experience shows that this does not happen
> spontaneously in a chemical system.
>
> Yes, DGT applies a plasma but not to the active Ni, which is shielded in
> Ni foam. Rossi did not apply plasma initially, yet his e-Cat worked. Many
> other people have studied the Ni-H2 system without using applied plasma.
> Obviously, applied plasma is not required.  I'm trying to understand what
> IS REQUIRED not what might be imagined.
>
> Spontaneous plasma formation simply does not happen in a chemical system.
>
>
> Ed states:
>
> I have no idea what this means and how it can happen.  We know electrons
> can be separated from the atoms and can result in an electric current  when
> voltage is applied. Where is the applied voltage in your case?  What drives
> the charge separation, which requires energy? Where does the voltage
> gradient come from that is required to move the electrons?  Without such
> answers, this description is just hand-waving.
>
>
> When two nanoparticles draw close together under the electrostatic
> attraction, they may come into contact at a limited connection.
>
> What causes electrostatic attraction? You must be assuming the particles
> are in a vacuum because if they have contact with a material they have no
> charge because the excess electrons have been conducted away.
>
>
> The electrons associated with the heat driven dipole motion will hit the
> dialectic hydrogen filled boundary between the nanoparticles where they
> will form a vortex current (hot spot). This is standard nanoplasmonic
> theory that has been experimentally demonstrated.
>
>
> This simply does not happen. I have no idea what you base this idea on.
> Particles in contact do not form a discharge at their contact. The
> particles are attached to each other by chemical interaction that does not
> cause an energy difference such that the surrounding H2 is changed in any
> way. Your citation has NO relationship to what you describe.
>
> The waves you cite are generated on surfaces by a applied electromagnetic
> field. In addition, these waves have very little energy and localize very
> little energy, with no ability to initiate a nuclear reaction. Nuclear
> interaction requires much more energy than such processes can supply. We
> know this because this energy can be measured and reactions occur ONLY when
> this energy is supplied. LENR obviously uses a different process, but one
> that you are not addressing.
>
> Notice in the citation, this idea is applied to photons, not to protons.
>
>
> The evanescent waves constrain the EMF (electrons and heat) closely to the
> surface of the nanoparticles and the space between them so when their
> wavelengths eventually match, they bind together in a pair. That is what a
> polariton is.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave
>
>
> Ed states:
>
> Cooper pairs are known to form only at low temperature because they are
> very unstable. In addition, you are applying a concept used to describe
> electrons in superconductors to protons. What justification do you have for
> such a structure to form between protons at room temperature and above?
> How does a copper pair of p differ from H2?
> Axil:
>
> Piantelli shows a 6 MeV proton coming out of a nickel bar. This implies
> that a proton pair entered the nickel nucleus: one to produce the 6 MeV via
> fusion of nickel into copper and one proton to exit the nucleus to remove
> that

[Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles, Part 2

[Axil Axil]

*Fusion by Pseudo-Particles, Part 2*



http://www.egely.hu/letoltes/Fusion-by-Pseudo-Particles-Part2.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Axil Axil]

*This simply does not happen. I have no idea what you base this idea on.
Particles in contact do not form a discharge at their contact. The
particles are attached to each other by chemical interaction that does not
cause an energy difference such that the surrounding H2 is changed in any
way. Your citation has NO relationship to what you describe. *

*The waves you cite are generated on surfaces by a applied electromagnetic
field. In addition, these waves have very little energy and localize very
little energy, with no ability to initiate a nuclear reaction. Nuclear
interaction requires much more energy than such processes can supply. We
know this because this energy can be measured and reactions occur ONLY when
this energy is supplied. LENR obviously uses a different process, but one
that you are not addressing. *

See this for an explanation.

Stockman_Phys_Today_2011_Physics_behind_Applications

http://www.phy-astr.gsu.edu/stockman/data/Stockman_Phys_Today_2011_Physics_behind_Applications.pdf





On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:

>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Ed states:
>
> This happens in a chemical system, not in plasma where your concept would
> apply. Any separation of charge must take into account the surrounding
> electrons and atoms. A "vibration" has to take place in a local region
> having no connection to the chemical structure. That is the role of the
> Hydroton. Where is your "hydroton"?
>
>
> Axil:
>
> The NiH reactor has a localized region of plasma formation only. This
> reactor is a pulsed system in which plasma is produced periodically in a
> localized zone. Most of the volume of the reactor's hydrogen envelope is a
> chemical system where vigorous heat driven dipole vibration of hydrogen and
> other elements occur.
>
> This dipole activity happens in the micro particles an nano-particles
> arrogates that condense out of the plasma.
>
>
> But Axil, a lot of experience shows that this does not happen
> spontaneously in a chemical system.
>
> Yes, DGT applies a plasma but not to the active Ni, which is shielded in
> Ni foam. Rossi did not apply plasma initially, yet his e-Cat worked. Many
> other people have studied the Ni-H2 system without using applied plasma.
> Obviously, applied plasma is not required.  I'm trying to understand what
> IS REQUIRED not what might be imagined.
>
> Spontaneous plasma formation simply does not happen in a chemical system.
>
>
> Ed states:
>
> I have no idea what this means and how it can happen.  We know electrons
> can be separated from the atoms and can result in an electric current  when
> voltage is applied. Where is the applied voltage in your case?  What drives
> the charge separation, which requires energy? Where does the voltage
> gradient come from that is required to move the electrons?  Without such
> answers, this description is just hand-waving.
>
>
> When two nanoparticles draw close together under the electrostatic
> attraction, they may come into contact at a limited connection.
>
> What causes electrostatic attraction? You must be assuming the particles
> are in a vacuum because if they have contact with a material they have no
> charge because the excess electrons have been conducted away.
>
>
> The electrons associated with the heat driven dipole motion will hit the
> dialectic hydrogen filled boundary between the nanoparticles where they
> will form a vortex current (hot spot). This is standard nanoplasmonic
> theory that has been experimentally demonstrated.
>
>
> This simply does not happen. I have no idea what you base this idea on.
> Particles in contact do not form a discharge at their contact. The
> particles are attached to each other by chemical interaction that does not
> cause an energy difference such that the surrounding H2 is changed in any
> way. Your citation has NO relationship to what you describe.
>
> The waves you cite are generated on surfaces by a applied electromagnetic
> field. In addition, these waves have very little energy and localize very
> little energy, with no ability to initiate a nuclear reaction. Nuclear
> interaction requires much more energy than such processes can supply. We
> know this because this energy can be measured and reactions occur ONLY when
> this energy is supplied. LENR obviously uses a different process, but one
> that you are not addressing.
>
> Notice in the citation, this idea is applied to photons, not to protons.
>
>
> The evanescent waves constrain the EMF (electrons and heat) closely to the
> surface of the nanoparticles and the space between them so when their
> wavelengths eventually match, they bind together in a pair. That is what a
> polariton is.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave
>
>
> Ed states:
>
> Cooper pairs are known to form only at low temperature because they are
> very unstable. In addition, you are applying a concept used to describe
> electrons in superconductors to protons. What justification do you h

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Axil Axil]

*What causes electrostatic attraction? You must be assuming the particles
are in a vacuum because if they have contact with a material they have no
charge because the excess electrons have been conducted away.Hot
nanoparticles stick together.*

Hot nanoparticles exist in a dark mode electromagnetically. They absorb
heat and transform that radiation into dipole oscillations. This charge
separation of positive and negative charge in a dipole will attract
nanoparticles like lint sticks to your outfit.

This buildup in charge separation causes a "stark effect"
The underlying basis of the attractive force has actually been known for at
least half a century: blackbody radiation shifts the atomic energy levels
of nearby atoms, molecules, and nanoparticles. In these "Stark shifts," the
ground states of the atom or atomic aggregates are shifted to a lower
energy by an amount that is roughly proportional to the fourth power of the
blackbody's temperature. That is, the hotter the blackbody, the larger the
dipole oscillations become, and the charge separation that is associated
with the dipoles.


While this much has been theoretically known, however, the potential
repercussions on nano-systems of these energy shifts have been overlooked
until recently. In a new study, scientists have for the first time shown
that the Stark shifts induced by blackbody radiation can combine to
generate an attractive optical force that dominates the blackbody's own
repulsive radiation pressure. This means that, despite its outgoing
radioactive energy flow, a hot nano-sized atomic cluster actually attracts
rather than repels neutral atoms and molecules, under most conditions.

This cluster attraction occurs because other atoms and clusters whose
ground states are shifted to lower energy levels are drawn toward regions
of higher radiation intensity--in the case of Ni/H reactors, nano and micro
particle blackbodies. The strength of the attractive force decays with the
third power of the distance from the blackbody. Second, the force is
stronger for smaller objects. Third, the force is stronger for hotter
objects, up to a point. At above a few thousand degrees Kelvin, the force
changes from attraction to repulsion,

What does this say about what goes on inside a Ni/H reactor core?


When nanoparticles are produced by spark discharge or heating elements in
an Ni/H reactor, these clusters are strongly attracted to each other if the
hydrogen is hot enough.


The hydrogen and/or potassium nano-clusters produced by plasma condensation
will rapidly migrate over to the Ni micro particles. The Ni micro particles
are permanent particles that a not created or destroyed during Ni/H reactor
operations. Ni particles are specially prepared using a vender specific
proprietary process in an offline setting. This process may include isotope
enhancement as well as the formation of nano sized nanowires on the surface
of each micro dimensioned nickel particle.


The nanoparticles in the Ni/H reaction are dynamically produced particles
that are generated during every plasma excitation cycle and are gradually
destroyed by LENR reaction activity between plasma excitation cycles. After
these dynamic nanoparticles are created and made clingy by dipole charge
separation, these newly born dust particles rush to join up with the Ni
micro-particles. These small clusters will coat these permanent nickel
particles and their nanowire surfaces in the same way that snow clings to
the branches of an evergreen tree in a snowstorm.

As nuclear activity produces energy, the dynamic particles are blown off
the surface of nickel particles but these dynamic particles are strongly
attracted back to the areas of nuclear activity


As the LENR reaction proceeds between plasma excitation cycles, these
dynamic nanoparticle gradually melt like snow in a springtime hot spell
until they are rebuild by the next plasma excitation activation.

Reference:

http://phys.org/news/2013-07-blackbody-stronger-gravity.html

Blackbody radiation induces attractive force stronger than gravity






On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:

>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Ed states:
>
> This happens in a chemical system, not in plasma where your concept would
> apply. Any separation of charge must take into account the surrounding
> electrons and atoms. A "vibration" has to take place in a local region
> having no connection to the chemical structure. That is the role of the
> Hydroton. Where is your "hydroton"?
>
>
> Axil:
>
> The NiH reactor has a localized region of plasma formation only. This
> reactor is a pulsed system in which plasma is produced periodically in a
> localized zone. Most of the volume of the reactor's hydrogen envelope is a
> chemical system where vigorous heat driven dipole vibration of hydrogen and
> other elements occur.
>
> This dipole activity happens in the micro particles an nano-particles
> arrogates that condense out of the plasma.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Axil Axil]

*Yes, DGT applies a plasma but not to the active Ni, which is shielded in
Ni foam. Rossi did not apply plasma initially, yet his e-Cat worked. Many
other people have studied the Ni-H2 system without using applied plasma.
Obviously, applied plasma is not required.  I'm trying to understand what
IS REQUIRED not what might be imagined. *

*Spontaneous plasma formation simply does not happen in a chemical system. *

In a very complex system a combination of many processes are needed to get
the system to perform flawlessly.

For example, in the system that you built, the failure to continually
rebuild the NAE sites using plasma generation caused your system to
eventually become inactive with time.

The requirements of a system are defined light of its continuing flawless
performance over its service life.

I am describing LENR systems in the light of this demanding requirement
set. A flawed system is a failed system.






On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Edmund Storms wrote:

>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> Ed states:
>
> This happens in a chemical system, not in plasma where your concept would
> apply. Any separation of charge must take into account the surrounding
> electrons and atoms. A "vibration" has to take place in a local region
> having no connection to the chemical structure. That is the role of the
> Hydroton. Where is your "hydroton"?
>
>
> Axil:
>
> The NiH reactor has a localized region of plasma formation only. This
> reactor is a pulsed system in which plasma is produced periodically in a
> localized zone. Most of the volume of the reactor's hydrogen envelope is a
> chemical system where vigorous heat driven dipole vibration of hydrogen and
> other elements occur.
>
> This dipole activity happens in the micro particles an nano-particles
> arrogates that condense out of the plasma.
>
>
> But Axil, a lot of experience shows that this does not happen
> spontaneously in a chemical system.
>
> Yes, DGT applies a plasma but not to the active Ni, which is shielded in
> Ni foam. Rossi did not apply plasma initially, yet his e-Cat worked. Many
> other people have studied the Ni-H2 system without using applied plasma.
> Obviously, applied plasma is not required.  I'm trying to understand what
> IS REQUIRED not what might be imagined.
>
> Spontaneous plasma formation simply does not happen in a chemical system.
>
>
> Ed states:
>
> I have no idea what this means and how it can happen.  We know electrons
> can be separated from the atoms and can result in an electric current  when
> voltage is applied. Where is the applied voltage in your case?  What drives
> the charge separation, which requires energy? Where does the voltage
> gradient come from that is required to move the electrons?  Without such
> answers, this description is just hand-waving.
>
>
> When two nanoparticles draw close together under the electrostatic
> attraction, they may come into contact at a limited connection.
>
> What causes electrostatic attraction? You must be assuming the particles
> are in a vacuum because if they have contact with a material they have no
> charge because the excess electrons have been conducted away.
>
>
> The electrons associated with the heat driven dipole motion will hit the
> dialectic hydrogen filled boundary between the nanoparticles where they
> will form a vortex current (hot spot). This is standard nanoplasmonic
> theory that has been experimentally demonstrated.
>
>
> This simply does not happen. I have no idea what you base this idea on.
> Particles in contact do not form a discharge at their contact. The
> particles are attached to each other by chemical interaction that does not
> cause an energy difference such that the surrounding H2 is changed in any
> way. Your citation has NO relationship to what you describe.
>
> The waves you cite are generated on surfaces by a applied electromagnetic
> field. In addition, these waves have very little energy and localize very
> little energy, with no ability to initiate a nuclear reaction. Nuclear
> interaction requires much more energy than such processes can supply. We
> know this because this energy can be measured and reactions occur ONLY when
> this energy is supplied. LENR obviously uses a different process, but one
> that you are not addressing.
>
> Notice in the citation, this idea is applied to photons, not to protons.
>
>
> The evanescent waves constrain the EMF (electrons and heat) closely to the
> surface of the nanoparticles and the space between them so when their
> wavelengths eventually match, they bind together in a pair. That is what a
> polariton is.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave
>
>
> Ed states:
>
> Cooper pairs are known to form only at low temperature because they are
> very unstable. In addition, you are applying a concept used to describe
> electrons in superconductors to protons. What justification do you have for
> such a structure to form between protons at room temperature and above?
> 

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Edmund Storms]

On Feb 10, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Axil Axil wrote:


Ed states:

This happens in a chemical system, not in plasma where your concept  
would apply. Any separation of charge must take into account the  
surrounding electrons and atoms. A "vibration" has to take place in  
a local region having no connection to the chemical structure. That  
is the role of the Hydroton. Where is your "hydroton"?



Axil:

The NiH reactor has a localized region of plasma formation only.  
This reactor is a pulsed system in which plasma is produced  
periodically in a localized zone. Most of the volume of the  
reactor’s hydrogen envelope is a chemical system where vigorous heat  
driven dipole vibration of hydrogen and other elements occur.


This dipole activity happens in the micro particles an nano- 
particles arrogates that condense out of the plasma.




But Axil, a lot of experience shows that this does not happen  
spontaneously in a chemical system.


Yes, DGT applies a plasma but not to the active Ni, which is shielded  
in Ni foam. Rossi did not apply plasma initially, yet his e-Cat  
worked. Many other people have studied the Ni-H2 system without using  
applied plasma. Obviously, applied plasma is not required.  I'm trying  
to understand what IS REQUIRED not what might be imagined.


Spontaneous plasma formation simply does not happen in a chemical  
system.


Ed states:

I have no idea what this means and how it can happen.  We know  
electrons can be separated from the atoms and can result in an  
electric current  when voltage is applied. Where is the applied  
voltage in your case?  What drives the charge separation, which  
requires energy? Where does the voltage gradient come from that is  
required to move the electrons?  Without such answers, this  
description is just hand-waving.



When two nanoparticles draw close together under the electrostatic  
attraction, they may come into contact at a limited connection.


What causes electrostatic attraction? You must be assuming the  
particles are in a vacuum because if they have contact with a material  
they have no charge because the excess electrons have been conducted  
away.



The electrons associated with the heat driven dipole motion will hit  
the dialectic hydrogen filled boundary between the nanoparticles  
where they will form a vortex current (hot spot). This is standard  
nanoplasmonic theory that has been experimentally demonstrated.




This simply does not happen. I have no idea what you base this idea  
on. Particles in contact do not form a discharge at their contact. The  
particles are attached to each other by chemical interaction that does  
not cause an energy difference such that the surrounding H2 is changed  
in any way. Your citation has NO relationship to what you describe.


The waves you cite are generated on surfaces by a applied  
electromagnetic field. In addition, these waves have very little  
energy and localize very little energy, with no ability to initiate a  
nuclear reaction. Nuclear interaction requires much more energy than  
such processes can supply. We know this because this energy can be  
measured and reactions occur ONLY when this energy is supplied. LENR  
obviously uses a different process, but one that you are not addressing.


Notice in the citation, this idea is applied to photons, not to protons.


The evanescent waves constrain the EMF (electrons and heat) closely  
to the surface of the nanoparticles and the space between them so  
when their wavelengths eventually match, they bind together in a  
pair. That is what a polariton is.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave


Ed states:

Cooper pairs are known to form only at low temperature because they  
are very unstable. In addition, you are applying a concept used to  
describe electrons in superconductors to protons. What justification  
do you have for such a structure to form between protons at room  
temperature and above?  How does a copper pair of p differ from H2?


Axil:

Piantelli shows a 6 MeV proton coming out of a nickel bar. This  
implies that a proton pair entered the nickel nucleus: one to  
produce the 6 MeV via fusion of nickel into copper and one proton to  
exit the nucleus to remove that energy from the nucleus.


This is not implied. It is assumed. The observation can be explained  
several different ways. First of all, he did not determine this was a  
proton. This particle could be an alpha resulting from fragmentation  
of Ni, which is what I predict and can show fits many observations.


How does causing a proton to react with Ni to make Cu result in energy  
if the proton comes right back out?
Also, the large amount of iron reported in Rossi’s ash assay,  
requires a reaction involving two protons. The abundance of light  
elements in the DGT ash assay requires fusion of multiple proton  
pairs with nickel.




 Fusion always produces a heavier element compared to the target. On  
a few occasions, your list shows fus

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Axil Axil]

Ed states:

This happens in a chemical system, not in plasma where your concept would
apply. Any separation of charge must take into account the surrounding
electrons and atoms. A "vibration" has to take place in a local region
having no connection to the chemical structure. That is the role of the
Hydroton. Where is your "hydroton"?


Axil:

The NiH reactor has a localized region of plasma formation only. This
reactor is a pulsed system in which plasma is produced periodically in a
localized zone. Most of the volume of the reactor's hydrogen envelope is a
chemical system where vigorous heat driven dipole vibration of hydrogen and
other elements occur.

This dipole activity happens in the micro particles an nano-particles
arrogates that condense out of the plasma.


Ed states:

I have no idea what this means and how it can happen.  We know electrons
can be separated from the atoms and can result in an electric current  when
voltage is applied. Where is the applied voltage in your case?  What drives
the charge separation, which requires energy? Where does the voltage
gradient come from that is required to move the electrons?  Without such
answers, this description is just hand-waving.


When two nanoparticles draw close together under the electrostatic
attraction, they may come into contact at a limited connection. The
electrons associated with the heat driven dipole motion will hit the
dialectic hydrogen filled boundary between the nanoparticles where they
will form a vortex current (hot spot). This is standard nanoplasmonic
theory that has been experimentally demonstrated.


The evanescent waves constrain the EMF (electrons and heat) closely to the
surface of the nanoparticles and the space between them so when their
wavelengths eventually match, they bind together in a pair. That is what a
polariton is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_wave


Ed states:

Cooper pairs are known to form only at low temperature because they are
very unstable. In addition, you are applying a concept used to describe
electrons in superconductors to protons. What justification do you have for
such a structure to form between protons at room temperature and above?
How does a copper pair of p differ from H2?
Axil:

Piantelli shows a 6 MeV proton coming out of a nickel bar. This implies
that a proton pair entered the nickel nucleus: one to produce the 6 MeV via
fusion of nickel into copper and one proton to exit the nucleus to remove
that energy from the nucleus.


Also, the large amount of iron reported in Rossi's ash assay, requires a
reaction involving two protons. The abundance of light elements in the DGT
ash assay requires fusion of multiple proton pairs with nickel.


It is a safe assumption that pairing of protons is occurring.

Ed states:

I suggest you go the next step and calculate the elements formed, their
decay modes, and whether the reaction is exothermic. And then see if the
consequence is consistent with what is observed.  Simply making unsupported
imagined statements without going the next step is not very useful.

Axil:

1H+1H+62Ni => 63Zn + n + 1.974 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni => 64Zn + 13.835 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni => 63Cu + 1H + 6.122 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni => 60Ni + 4He + 9.879 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni => 4He + 4He + 56Fe + 3.495 MeV  < this one produces iron.
1H+1H+62Ni => 52Cr + 12C + 3.249 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni => 48Ti + 16O + 1.057 MeV
1H+1H+62Ni => 34S + 30Si + 2.197 MeV

1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 65Ge + n + 10.750 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 66Ge + 24.037 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 63Ga + 3H + 4.007 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 64Ga + 2H + 8.108 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 65Ga + 1H + 17.778 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 61Zn + 5He + 7.372 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 62Zn + 4He + 21.156 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 63Zn + 3He + 9.692 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 59Cu + 7Li + 3.859 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 60Cu + 6Li + 6.667 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 61Cu + 5Li + 12.713 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 56Ni + 10Be + 3.707 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 57Ni + 9Be + 7.144 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 4He + 4He + 58Ni + 17.696 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 59Ni + 7Be + 7.795 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 60Ni + 6Be + 8.507 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 55Co + 11B + 7.769 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 56Co + 10B + 6.398 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 57Co + 9B + 9.338 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 52Fe + 14C + 7.721 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 53Fe + 13C + 10.230 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 54Fe + 12C + 18.662 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 55Fe + 11C + 9.239 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 56Fe + 10C + 7.316 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 51Mn + 15N + 10.550 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 52Mn + 14N + 10.252 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 53Mn + 13N + 11.752 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 54Mn + 12N + 0.627 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 48Cr + 18O + 6.010 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 49Cr + 17O + 8.549 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 50Cr + 16O + 17.406 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 51Cr + 15O + 11.003 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 52Cr + 14O + 9.819 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 47V + 19F + 5.899 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 48V + 18F + 6.011 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 49V + 17F + 8.415 MeV
1H+1H+1H+1H+62Ni => 50V + 16F + 0.951 Me

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Edmund Storms]

On Feb 10, 2014, at 8:30 AM, Axil Axil wrote:


Thanks Ed

My concept of the LENR reaction is a passive one. Yours is a more  
active one.




Axil, I would say your concept uses one aspect of a theoretical  
concept while my concept involves the entire LENR process.


According to my current way of thinking, dipole vibration maintains  
the separation of electron and proton in hydrogen.


This happens in a chemical system, not in plasma where your concept  
would apply. Any separation of charge must take into account the  
surrounding electrons and atoms. A "vibration" has to take place in a  
local region having no connection to the chemical structure. That is  
the role of the Hydroton. Where is your "hydroton"?


These separated electrons are then sequestered and redirected  into  
the NAE (aka soliton) by topological discontinuity in the lattice  
and become part of the polariton ensemble inside the NAE.




I have no idea what this means and how it can happen.  We know  
electrons can be separated from the atoms and can result in an  
electric current  when voltage is applied. Where is the applied  
voltage in your case?  What drives the charge separation, which  
requires energy? Where does the voltage gradient come from that is  
required to move the electrons?  Without such answers, this  
description is just hand-waving.
The naked protons are then acted upon by the EMF based charge  
screening effects of the NAE. With their coulomb repulsion  
completely removed, these protons become attractive to each other  
and pair up based on their opposing spins to form cooper pairs.


 Cooper pairs are known to form only at low temperature because they  
are very unstable. In addition, you are applying a concept used to  
describe electrons in superconductors to protons. What justification  
do you have for such a structure to form between protons at room  
temperature and above?  How does a copper pair of p differ from H2?
The next step is a group fusion process where these multiple cooper  
pairs of protons fuse with a high Z element in a group fusion  
process in a zone of almost complete charge screening.




This makes no sense.  I have no idea what you are describing here.
For example, 8 protons (4 cooper pairs) might fuse with a nickel  
atom to produce multiple light elements which might include multiple  
helium atoms.


I suggest you go the next step and calculate the elements formed,  
their decay modes, and whether the reaction is exothermic. And then  
see if the consequence is consistent with what is observed.  Simply  
making unsupported imagined statements without going the next step is  
not very useful.
The charge screening comes from the NAE. The ions that are to be  
fused are all very close by the soliton and located in the solid  
boundaries of the lattice defect. The very strong magnetic field  
coming from the NAE is the coulomb barrier screening field. This  
magnetic field shines brightly on the solid boundaries of the NAE  
where complete screening of the coulomb barrier occurs.




I have no idea how a magnetic field "shines" on a boundary. This  
combination of words makes no sense to me.


Ed Storms





On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Edmund Storms  
 wrote:
Axil, I hope you realize the Hydroton, which  I propose allows the  
fusion reaction to take place and dissipates the energy, involves  
resonance of electrons coupled to hydrogen atoms. I'm describing the  
structure in which the polariton would operate. So far you have not  
supplied this essential feature in your concept. No matter which  
mechanism is proposed, it MUST operate in a collection of hydrogen  
nuclei that form by normal chemical processes. That structure is the  
Hydroton. Once this structure is identified, several consequences  
result and many behaviors can be explained. You might consider how  
your idea relates the entire mechanism I propose.


Ed Storms

On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:50 AM, Axil Axil wrote:


Fusion by Pseudo-Particles Part 1 Past, Present and Future

http://www.egely.hu/letoltes/Fusion-by-Pseudo-Particles-Part1.pdf

I have come across a fellow traveler who can express the truth  
about the central role of the polariton in LENR and understands why  
this fact is so.

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Axil Axil]

Thanks Ed

My concept of the LENR reaction is a passive one. Yours is a more active
one.


According to my current way of thinking, dipole vibration maintains the
separation of electron and proton in hydrogen. These separated electrons
are then sequestered and redirected  into the NAE (aka soliton) by
topological discontinuity in the lattice and become part of the polariton
ensemble inside the NAE.

The naked protons are then acted upon by the EMF based charge screening
effects of the NAE. With their coulomb repulsion completely removed, these
protons become attractive to each other and pair up based on their opposing
spins to form cooper pairs.

The next step is a group fusion process where these multiple cooper pairs
of protons fuse with a high Z element in a group fusion process in a zone
of almost complete charge screening.

For example, 8 protons (4 cooper pairs) might fuse with a nickel atom to
produce multiple light elements which might include multiple helium atoms.
The charge screening comes from the NAE. The ions that are to be fused are
all very close by the soliton and located in the solid boundaries of the
lattice defect. The very strong magnetic field coming from the NAE is the
coulomb barrier screening field. This magnetic field shines brightly on the
solid boundaries of the NAE where complete screening of the coulomb barrier
occurs.





On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Edmund Storms wrote:

> Axil, I hope you realize the Hydroton, which  I propose allows the fusion
> reaction to take place and dissipates the energy, involves resonance of
> electrons coupled to hydrogen atoms. I'm describing the structure in which
> the polariton would operate. So far you have not supplied this essential
> feature in your concept. No matter which mechanism is proposed, it MUST
> operate in a collection of hydrogen nuclei that form by normal chemical
> processes. That structure is the Hydroton. Once this structure is
> identified, several consequences result and many behaviors can be
> explained. You might consider how your idea relates the entire mechanism I
> propose.
>
> Ed Storms
>
> On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:50 AM, Axil Axil wrote:
>
> *Fusion by Pseudo-Particles Part 1 Past, Present and Future 
> *
>
>
> http://www.egely.hu/letoltes/Fusion-by-Pseudo-Particles-Part1.pdf
>
> I have come across a fellow traveler who can express the truth about the
> central role of the polariton in LENR and understands why this fact is so.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Edmund Storms]

Axil, I hope you realize the Hydroton, which  I propose allows the  
fusion reaction to take place and dissipates the energy, involves  
resonance of electrons coupled to hydrogen atoms. I'm describing the  
structure in which the polariton would operate. So far you have not  
supplied this essential feature in your concept. No matter which  
mechanism is proposed, it MUST operate in a collection of hydrogen  
nuclei that form by normal chemical processes. That structure is the  
Hydroton. Once this structure is identified, several consequences  
result and many behaviors can be explained. You might consider how  
your idea relates the entire mechanism I propose.


Ed Storms
On Feb 10, 2014, at 5:50 AM, Axil Axil wrote:


Fusion by Pseudo-Particles Part 1 Past, Present and Future

http://www.egely.hu/letoltes/Fusion-by-Pseudo-Particles-Part1.pdf

I have come across a fellow traveler who can express the truth about  
the central role of the polariton in LENR and understands why this  
fact is so.

[Vo]:Fusion by Pseudo-Particles

[Axil Axil]

*Fusion by Pseudo-Particles Part 1 Past, Present and Future
*


http://www.egely.hu/letoltes/Fusion-by-Pseudo-Particles-Part1.pdf

I have come across a fellow traveler who can express the truth about the
central role of the polariton in LENR and understands why this fact is so.