Re: [Vo]:GoFundMe: Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source
However, we have no idea who these experts are, what they saw, or what they said. So that doesn't count. We can't make anything of it. Of course S&G have every right to keep this secret, but I suggest we pay no attention to them until they go public and publish a professional paper. In my opinion, secret projects have no credibility. ***I suspected as much. My bullshit detector is going off right and left. The simple fact is that anyone who CAN go and measure gamma rays credibly has not been publicly invited except over at LENR-Forum, where I was banned after being there for 5 years for accepting this invitation. Someone with a BSEE and 20 years' experience isn't enough for Alan, and he even said that if I had the expertise of Edward Teller that he wouldn't allow testing. Again : Bullshit. Those are the elements of what it takes to bell the cat: Willingness, time, capability, wherewithal . Those who have the time and willingness are low on capability and wherewithal. Those who have the capabilty and wherewithal are low on willingness and time. Most of us can develop capability and wherewithal, but we can't really develop willingness and freed time . To be candid, there's one more element: Bullshit. When Celani pulled out his Geiger counter , Rossi climbed all over him because it could point to what he was using in his cells. Probably bullshit. MFMP announced they found gammas, Biberian replicated it 48 hours later, then they went off and tested other stuff without saying a word. Bullshit. Now we have MFMP coming back on line to send me a private message because they're not on Vortex-L nor here, how they quietly referenced the gammas in some peer reviewed thingie, surrounded by a ton of bullshit. Then we have Alan claiming he has gammas, so I'm ready to answer the question for myself as to what it would take me to overcome all the bullshit that's been thrown around over this gamma issue, and including the bullshit thrown around there. So you have my answer. It should be easy to underbid me for those who have a higher tolerance of bullshit. Then everyone's happy, and the cat gets belled. What's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander. It does not appear to be a joke that I was banned, so you should be banned as well, for posting fraud. The serious contenders should be posting their underbids. Simple. Someone with the background goes and tests for gammas , then guess what -- it'll be the end of their career. I think they will be charging far more than $100k for doing something that ends their career, and we see the absolute result: SILENCE. As long as there is silence, there is no offer to test gammas. It's just career-ending bullshit. On 5/18/19, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > >> Jed is >> already posted in as willing to do it for a cool $million. That >> makes me look cheap in comparison. >> > > That was a JOKE. > > > >> Of course I think Someone ELSE should bell the >> cat, like Jed Rothwell whom I posted as a good candidate, since he's >> tested cold fusion devices before. He declined. > > > I declined because I know nothing about gamma rays. I am totally > unqualified to test this claim. Also because I am in the U.S. There must be > hundreds of people in the UK qualified to do this. > > > The question is "what >> would it take for ME to bell the cat". This is the answer. >> > > That answer is absurd. It is $97,000 too expensive. A person would be > insane to pay that much, or to contribute to that effort. > > Not only that, but your entire approach is ass-backwards. Putting the cart > before the horse. No one should contribute any money to your proposed test > until the following has been done: > > 1. They have to INVITE YOU. Obviously!! > > 2. Smith & George have to publish a comprehensive report describing their > instruments, procedures and results. This is essential. People have to know > what you will see, and how to go about testing it. Let us have no > surprises. > > 3. Various experts should examine their report, critique it, and give > advice. They should say: "Sure, that looks good. Here's how I would test > it. Here are the instruments I would take." If they say, "I can't tell" or > "that doesn't sound like it is working" then no one should pay Kevin > O'Malley to go look at it. That would be a stupid waste of money. > > 4. In the GFM page, O'Malley should list his background, qualifications and > similar tests he has done in the past. He should post a detailed list of > the procedures he intends to do, and a detailed lists of expenses. Again, > no one should contribute a dime until that is made clear. We have no idea > whether he is qualified, or the right person for the job. Someone else in > the UK may be a much better choice. > > 5. O'Malley should list the planned "deliveries" from this project. He > should say that after he returns home, within a month he will publish a > report that confirms claims A, B and C made by Smith
Re: [Vo]:GoFundMe: Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source
Kevin O'Malley wrote: > Jed is > already posted in as willing to do it for a cool $million. That > makes me look cheap in comparison. > That was a JOKE. > Of course I think Someone ELSE should bell the > cat, like Jed Rothwell whom I posted as a good candidate, since he's > tested cold fusion devices before. He declined. I declined because I know nothing about gamma rays. I am totally unqualified to test this claim. Also because I am in the U.S. There must be hundreds of people in the UK qualified to do this. The question is "what > would it take for ME to bell the cat". This is the answer. > That answer is absurd. It is $97,000 too expensive. A person would be insane to pay that much, or to contribute to that effort. Not only that, but your entire approach is ass-backwards. Putting the cart before the horse. No one should contribute any money to your proposed test until the following has been done: 1. They have to INVITE YOU. Obviously!! 2. Smith & George have to publish a comprehensive report describing their instruments, procedures and results. This is essential. People have to know what you will see, and how to go about testing it. Let us have no surprises. 3. Various experts should examine their report, critique it, and give advice. They should say: "Sure, that looks good. Here's how I would test it. Here are the instruments I would take." If they say, "I can't tell" or "that doesn't sound like it is working" then no one should pay Kevin O'Malley to go look at it. That would be a stupid waste of money. 4. In the GFM page, O'Malley should list his background, qualifications and similar tests he has done in the past. He should post a detailed list of the procedures he intends to do, and a detailed lists of expenses. Again, no one should contribute a dime until that is made clear. We have no idea whether he is qualified, or the right person for the job. Someone else in the UK may be a much better choice. 5. O'Malley should list the planned "deliveries" from this project. He should say that after he returns home, within a month he will publish a report that confirms claims A, B and C made by Smith and George. (Or not confirm them.) With any less preparation than this, you would be running off half-cocked. You would probably waste the money and time. Do it carefully and professionally, or don't do it at all. Smith and George had said that various experts visited them and gave the project a positive evaluation. However, we have no idea who these experts are, what they saw, or what they said. So that doesn't count. We can't make anything of it. Of course S&G have every right to keep this secret, but I suggest we pay no attention to them until they go public and publish a professional paper. In my opinion, secret projects have no credibility. That includes the project at Texas Tech. The people doing it are skilled but for all I know they could be making terrible mistakes.
Re: [Vo]:GoFundMe: Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source
Kevin has not replied to my message, and his intentions are unclear. *** My initial statements were in public rather than in private. To be candid, the paragraph you wrote to me privately right before this one you're quoting , well that paragraph kinda sets the tone. And since it's done in private, I kept my response private. Now that your response is public, my response is public.
Re: [Vo]:GoFundMe: Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source
"The offer to test for gammas was rescinded. Please donate instead to the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project." I don't understand why this page is still there. ***Because it all falls within my original intention, which is to bell the cat. If in the future I decide to make MFMP a beneficiary of some other type of fundraising effort, I'll do it the way you have asked publicly AFTER THIS EFFORT, not in an Ex Post Facto manner. I set this one up to answer my own question of what it would take for ME to bell that cat. I would encourage others to do so as well. Jed is already posted in as willing to do it for a cool $million. That makes me look cheap in comparison. This was my answer to the question of what it would take to bell the cat for cold fusion. Of course I think Someone ELSE should bell the cat, like Jed Rothwell whom I posted as a good candidate, since he's tested cold fusion devices before. He declined. The question is "what would it take for ME to bell the cat". This is the answer. This is an exercise in removal of excuses. Not just others' excuses, but my own as well. The price is deliberately high so that people who live closer to the site , people who are more qualified, people who have better equipment could underbid me. They are not doing that. It's a sign that something is amiss. It only took me a few keystrokes to get started with the GoFundMe thing, and I can say unequivocally that it's a relatively painless process that doesn't take much time. So... there's that removal of excuses thing going on right there. Those are the elements of what it takes to bell the cat: Willingness, time, capability, wherewithal . Those who have the time and willingness are low on capability and wherewithal. Those who have the capabilty and wherewithal are low on willingness and time. Most of us can develop capability and wherewithal, but we can't really develop willingness and freed time . To be candid, there's one more element: Bullshit. When Celani pulled out his Geiger counter , Rossi climbed all over him because it could point to what he was using in his cells. Probably bullshit. MFMP announced they found gammas, Biberian replicated it 48 hours later, then they went off and tested other stuff without saying a word. Bullshit. Now we have MFMP coming back on line to send me a private message because they're not on Vortex-L nor here, how they quietly referenced the gammas in some peer reviewed thingie, surrounded by a ton of bullshit. Then we have Alan claiming he has gammas, so I'm ready to answer the question for myself as to what it would take me to overcome all the bullshit that's been thrown around over this gamma issue, and including the bullshit thrown around there. So you have my answer. It should be easy to underbid me for those who have a higher tolerance of bullshit. Then everyone's happy, and the cat gets belled. Instead of focusing on getting someone to underbid me, they went ahead and OVERbid me, saying they would do it for a $million. And then they turn around and accuse me of being a scam because I posted that I would do it in a first class fashion. No need to start negotiations at economy class. But the unsubtle hint is that the invitation to test has been rescinded. Help spread the word! On 5/18/19, AlanG wrote: > A week ago I wrote this to Kevin O'Malley off-list, regarding his > mention of MFMP: > > "/MFMP always welcomes donations and we have a 501c3 which could make > such contributions tax-deductible in the US. I already have a Gamma > Spectrometer system thanks to past contributions, but the equipment > needs of a lab are never-ending. If you really want to help us, it must > be a new GoFundMe campaign, with no mention of Alan Smith or > Atom-Ecology.// > > //For MFMP to be the beneficiary, we will need to approve the goal and > specific text of your campaign before you post it. I've included our > other Directors (Bob Greenyer and Ryan Hunt) in this reply for their > comments."/ > > Kevin has not replied to my message, and his intentions are unclear. > > AlanG for MFMP > > On 5/18/2019 7:47 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: >> I wrote: >> >> Plus, if I understand correctly, he is asking for $100,000. >> >> >> Yup. That's what it says. That's chutzpah! >> >> It also says: >> >> "The offer to test for gammas was rescinded. >> Please donate instead to the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project. >> >> >> I don't understand why this page is still there. > >
Re: [Vo]:GoFundMe: Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source
A week ago I wrote this to Kevin O'Malley off-list, regarding his mention of MFMP: "/MFMP always welcomes donations and we have a 501c3 which could make such contributions tax-deductible in the US. I already have a Gamma Spectrometer system thanks to past contributions, but the equipment needs of a lab are never-ending. If you really want to help us, it must be a new GoFundMe campaign, with no mention of Alan Smith or Atom-Ecology.// //For MFMP to be the beneficiary, we will need to approve the goal and specific text of your campaign before you post it. I've included our other Directors (Bob Greenyer and Ryan Hunt) in this reply for their comments."/ Kevin has not replied to my message, and his intentions are unclear. AlanG for MFMP On 5/18/2019 7:47 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: I wrote: Plus, if I understand correctly, he is asking for $100,000. Yup. That's what it says. That's chutzpah! It also says: "The offer to test for gammas was rescinded. Please donate instead to the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project. I don't understand why this page is still there.
[Vo]:GoFundMe: Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source
Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source I'm setting up a GoFundMe campaign to buy a gamma spectrometer and go to London to test these cells, per Alan's invitation. It would make sense for someone more qualified to make the visit , take the measurements, and generate the YouTube video. Hint: Jed. Alan Smith and his team claim to be generating Gamma Rays above background noise radiation on a chemical fuel cell, which is impossible. He has invited anyone with the means to come and test his cells. http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/2018-05-10-3.png https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5597-atom-ecology/?pageNo=99 http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2018/09/22/have-cold-fusion-will-travel/ I intend to purchase a Gamma Spectrometer, travel to London and visit his laboratory, and test his claim, to see for myself. I will post a video on YouTube , one way or another, whether it debunks his claim or supports it. I do not have to be the one going to London to do this. Anyone near there can use this money and visit the lab , as long as they demonstrate they know how to use a spectrometer, per Alan's invitation. When we are done with testing the devices, we will donate the spectrometer to the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project or use it for further testing/debunking of claims. The time has come for independent testing of some of these types of energy cells. If they are real, they will be a tremendous energy breakthrough. If they are not real, you will help to stop energy related scams.
