RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
Thanks T! So, has anyone checked to see if Defkalion has filed an application with the appropriate agency on Cypress??? Probably not... at least not yet! Susan, This is a perfectly clear example of why it's just too soon to be making any kind of decision, one way or the other, about the E-Cat. As has been pointed out several times here, there is PLENTY of evidence that SOMETHING unusual is happening in metal lattices containing high levels of hydrogen. All the complexity on the science side, combined with human behavior and the machinations on the business side, make for a complex and very dynamic situation.. keeping all this straight in one's own head is next to impossible, unless you have 'perfect recall' or are a prodigious savant. That's where the power of the collective knowledge (of this discussion group) makes up for the limited recall of a lone individual... so just add your recall to the collective, and we'll hang around until this E-Cat thing happens, or not. -Mark -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 8:58 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > Didnt they change the location to Cypress? Or was that just rumor? I tend > to gloss over the non-technical details. Defkalion Green Technologies is actually a Cypress based company . . . not Greek. T
RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
Another possible reason for this 'news' about Defkalion is the following: The people behind Defkalion never had the money (personally) to do all they claimed they would do when they signed the agreement with Rossi, however, they felt they could easily get enough investors interested, so they set up the company and website and started to get all the ducks lined up. Well, after the January public demo and then a few more, (potential) investors weren't feeling all warm and fuzzy about it, and Defkalion is left with nowhere near the money they thought they could raise (or were promised). I'm sure that the cost to have the Greek regulatory agencies test and license the E-Cat is a decent chunk of change and its certainly possible that Defkalion just doesn't have the money yet. who knows? And Defkalion isn't about to volunteer that kind of 'bad' news. Susan: Just calm down, and watch and wait like the rest of us. whatever happens, is going to happen regardless of what any of us thinks. -Mark 2011/9/3 Terry Blanton On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Susan Gipp wrote: > Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies > How long Rossi will last with this joke ? Assuming this is a scam, what do you suppose is AR's exit strategy? T
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint wrote: > Didn’t they change the location to Cypress? Or was that just rumor? I tend > to gloss over the non-technical details. Defkalion Green Technologies is actually a Cypress based company . . . not Greek. T
RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
Didn’t they change the location to Cypress? Or was that just rumor? I tend to gloss over the non-technical details. -mark From: Charles Hope [mailto:lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 1:42 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing If I understand the translation, this means that Defkalion never requested permission to build a plant where it was thought they would. How does this reflect poorly upon Rossi?
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
If I understand the translation, this means that Defkalion never requested permission to build a plant where it was thought they would. How does this reflect poorly upon Rossi? Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:56, Susan Gipp wrote: > Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies > How long Rossi will last with this joke ? > > 2011/9/3 Jed Rothwell > See: > > http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/9154-xynidis-kontos-aitisi-ergostasio-syntixi-defkalion-.html > > > A translation sent to me by someone (maybe done by Google): > > > No applications for plant in Xanthi > > "With new negative letters answered, as expected, the question submitted by > the MP [member of parliament? M. Y.] Xanthi New Republic to > competentministers on the issue of environmental impacts from the possible > establishment of Xanthi plant devices producing energy from fusion of > hydrogen-nickel. > > After the replies of the Ministry of Finance to the Ministry of Environment > and the Ministry of Development responded to Members of the Southwest there > is filed an application for the company Defkalion for this investment and > therefore can not assess the potential environmental burden . > > Indeed the response of the Ministry of Development, signed by the Deputy > Minister Socrates Xynidis. > > In this report: "In response to the above question tabled in the House by > Congressman Alexander Short [That's a translation of Alexander Kontos -- > M.Y.] , you know that it has submitted documentation to permit installation > and operation of industrial plant of this type» > > Negative responses from Papakonstantinou - Sokos. > > Respondents who were released from Alexander Short [Kontos], included a cover > of the Environment Minister George Papakonstantinou and a response by the > Head of the Department of Industry that the YPEKA not submitted any > application. Also by the Secretary of ADMTH letter sent by the Director of > the relative address of Apoakentromensi Administration Lambrini Rizos. > > There is no known application for approval of building fusion power > nickel-hydrogen has not been filed and that of the crop [??] should be > ensured through the Environmental Impact Study filed in each case." > >
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > It's anonymous that never forgets or forgives :). But the anonymous did not > get bothered with this issue, so, people, or the internet, may forget... > Remember, remember, the 5th of November The Gunpowder Treason and plot ; I know of no reason why Gunpowder Treason Should ever be forgot. Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, 'Twas his intent. To blow up the King and the Parliament. Three score barrels of powder below. Poor old England to overthrow. By God's providence he was catch'd, With a dark lantern and burning match Holloa boys, Holloa boys, let the bells ring Holloa boys, Holloa boys, God save the King! Hip hip Hoorah ! Hip hip Hoorah ! A penny loaf to feed ol'Pope, A farthing cheese to choke him. A pint of beer to rinse it down, A faggot of sticks to burn him. Burn him in a tub of tar,' Burn him like a blazing star. Burn his body from his head, Then we'll say: ol'Pope is dead.
RE: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
>From Susan: > Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built > over a pile of lies. How long Rossi will last with this joke ? In the midst of conflicting reports: People always see what they want to see. They subsequently promote what they want to believe to the rest of the world. Another scrap of less than stellar news is revealed and skeptics once again begin to proclaim that their original belief has once again been vindicated. Soon skeptics proclaim there was never anything to the original claims in the first place. - Case closed. I guess we can all go home now. It would seem as if skeptics believe they are the only rational individuals who hang out in the Vort Collective - or perhaps they are incensed as to why others can't see the "light" they perceive as shining so brightly. It seems to me that many skeptics perceive messages like this one as nothing more than further evidence that their position of damnation has once again been confirmed. However, as far as I can tell only thing that has really happened is that skeptics have found another scrap of news in which to hang their original belief system on. And on and on the rumor mill and subsequent damnation goes. Personally, I have no idea how legitimate Rossi claims are. Obviously I suspect there may actually be something to Rossi's eCat claims, though I could be wrong. My current suspicions are based primarily on the fact that other information that ought to be considered more reliable than mere circumstantial "news" & "rumor", such as scientific evidence reported on by Levi, would seem to suggest that there is something going on with Rossi's eCats. Based on the latest spate of "news" it seems more logical for me to tentatively speculate that Rossi's wunder eCats are probably not quite yet ready for Prime Time - in the engineering sense. This possibility has often been discussed within the Vort Collective, and it not all that unexpected. As such, the latest "news" concerning the Xanthi plant is predictable. I'm not sure what the fuss is all about. I'm perfectly content to wait a while longer. I feel no desire, urging me personally proclaim to the rest of the world that Rossi has once again been proven to be nothing more than a joke. I feel no desire to prove to the rest of the world he is legitimate either. I'm perfectly content to simply wait and watch. What's wrong with not having a personal opinion that must constantly be proclaimed to the rest of the world as the only correct opinion? Under these kinds of circumstances it's been my experience that the only person I end up trying to convince is myself, and few could care less about being convinced about my personal opinions. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
It's anonymous that never forgets or forgives :). But the anonymous did not get bothered with this issue, so, people, or the internet, may forget...
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Susan Gipp wrote: > Very hard to guess. My very very personal opinion is that he really believed > in his discovery. At some time he realized he was wrong and now is trapped > in a huge amount of claims. To sustain these clamis he's forced to add even > more and more. This pile is gonna to collapse pretty soon. Maybe his hope is > that internet people eventually will forget this story. > The only thing that i know for sure is that I don't want be in his pants. Well, if you are right, we know what will be in his pants for the internet never forgets (or forgives). T
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
Very hard to guess. My very very personal opinion is that he really believed in his discovery. At some time he realized he was wrong and now is trapped in a huge amount of claims. To sustain these clamis he's forced to add even more and more. This pile is gonna to collapse pretty soon. Maybe his hope is that internet people eventually will forget this story. The only thing that i know for sure is that I don't want be in his pants. 2011/9/3 Terry Blanton > On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Susan Gipp wrote: > > Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies > > How long Rossi will last with this joke ? > > Assuming this is a scam, what do you suppose is AR's exit strategy? > > T > >
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Susan Gipp wrote: > Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies > How long Rossi will last with this joke ? Assuming this is a scam, what do you suppose is AR's exit strategy? T
Re: [Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
Another evidenche that the whole e-cat story is built over a pile of lies How long Rossi will last with this joke ? 2011/9/3 Jed Rothwell > See: > > > http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/9154-xynidis-kontos-aitisi-ergostasio-syntixi-defkalion-.html > > > A translation sent to me by someone (maybe done by Google): > > > No applications for plant in Xanthi > > "With new negative letters answered, as expected, the question submitted by > the MP [member of parliament? M. Y.] Xanthi New Republic to > competentministers on the issue of environmental impacts from the possible > establishment of Xanthi plant devices producing energy from fusion of > hydrogen-nickel. > > After the replies of the Ministry of Finance to the Ministry of Environment > and the Ministry of Development responded to Members of the Southwest there > is filed an application for the company Defkalion for this investment and > therefore can not assess the potential environmental burden . > > Indeed the response of the Ministry of Development, signed by the Deputy > Minister Socrates Xynidis. > > In this report: "In response to the above question tabled in the House by > Congressman Alexander Short [That's a translation of Alexander Kontos -- > M.Y.] , you know that it has submitted documentation to permit installation > and operation of industrial plant of this type» > > Negative responses from Papakonstantinou - Sokos. > > Respondents who were released from Alexander Short [Kontos], included a > cover of the Environment Minister George Papakonstantinou and a response by > the Head of the Department of Industry that the YPEKA not submitted any > application. Also by the Secretary of ADMTH letter sent by the Director of > the relative address of Apoakentromensi Administration Lambrini Rizos. > > There is no known application for approval of building fusion power > nickel-hydrogen has not been filed and that of the crop [??] should be > ensured through the Environmental Impact Study filed in each case." > >
[Vo]:Greek press report: Defkalion has not applied for license or safety testing
See: http://www.xanthipress.gr/eidiseis/politiki/9154-xynidis-kontos-aitisi-ergostasio-syntixi-defkalion-.html A translation sent to me by someone (maybe done by Google): No applications for plant in Xanthi "With new negative letters answered, as expected, the question submitted by the MP [member of parliament? M. Y.] Xanthi New Republic to competentministers on the issue of environmental impacts from the possible establishment of Xanthi plant devices producing energy from fusion of hydrogen-nickel. After the replies of the Ministry of Finance to the Ministry of Environment and the Ministry of Development responded to Members of the Southwest there is filed an application for the company Defkalion for this investment and therefore can not assess the potential environmental burden . Indeed the response of the Ministry of Development, signed by the Deputy Minister Socrates Xynidis. In this report: "In response to the above question tabled in the House by Congressman Alexander Short [That's a translation of Alexander Kontos -- M.Y.] , you know that it has submitted documentation to permit installation and operation of industrial plant of this type» Negative responses from Papakonstantinou - Sokos. Respondents who were released from Alexander Short [Kontos], included a cover of the Environment Minister George Papakonstantinou and a response by the Head of the Department of Industry that the YPEKA not submitted any application. Also by the Secretary of ADMTH letter sent by the Director of the relative address of Apoakentromensi Administration Lambrini Rizos. There is no known application for approval of building fusion power nickel-hydrogen has not been filed and that of the crop [??] should be ensured through the Environmental Impact Study filed in each case."
