Re: [Vo]:Help Vortex

2009-06-16 Thread OrionWorks
From Steven Krivit:

 Any or all of us could take responsibility in helping to
 maintain the effectiveness and integrity of the list.

 I was not acutely aware that RELIGION and POLITICS were
 inappropriate subjects here until this recent flare-up. I,
 of course, thought they were OT, but tolerated.

 Now if the word from our sponsor (Bill) says that, in
 fact, RELIGION and POLITICS are inappropriate here, then
 I won't hesitate to jump in and remind someone about that
 if I notice it. Nor should anyone else, IMO.

 Once the reminder is placed in the thread, a yellow (or
 red) flag is raised. The person is reminded that they have
 the option to move the thread over to the other forum.
 Simple and polite. If they don't move it, or they argue,
 they're bucking for a ban.

 It is our way of helping Bill to provide this service for
 us. This is how community works. We make and abide by
 certain rules and we collectively support them.

 Yes?
 Anybody else agree with this?


 Anybody else willing to help watch the list for (purely)
 RELIGION and POLITIC threads? (I presume that threads about
 energy politics are acceptable.)

 Steve

Steve, I'm under the impression that some participants continue to
debate whether politics of any kind are acceptable within vortex-l
prime. If so that would mean many of your valuable contributions would
be considered inappropriate as well.

I have just posted another topic, a proposal to consider the creation
of a new discussion group, Vortex-LoT [VoT] for the specific purpose
of discussing OT views that may have possibly originated within
vortex-l prime [Vo]. But with one major difference from [VoB]: The new
[VoT] group would be where the same netiquette rules apply. Please
see:

Discussion/Debate: Creating [VoT] to handle OT discussions

And please feel free to comment, pro or con, on the matter.

I'm just trying to find out if some might think that such a proposal
could turn out to be a good solution...or not.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



Re: [Vo]:Help Vortex

2009-06-16 Thread John Berry
3 lists, that would just be unmanageable.Better is a rule of thumb, politics
should be allowed as long as it is strictly on topic politics that isn't
causing a problem, otherwise as with any other off topic subject it ought to
go to B.



On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:42 AM, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.comwrote:

 From Steven Krivit:

  Any or all of us could take responsibility in helping to
  maintain the effectiveness and integrity of the list.
 
  I was not acutely aware that RELIGION and POLITICS were
  inappropriate subjects here until this recent flare-up. I,
  of course, thought they were OT, but tolerated.
 
  Now if the word from our sponsor (Bill) says that, in
  fact, RELIGION and POLITICS are inappropriate here, then
  I won't hesitate to jump in and remind someone about that
  if I notice it. Nor should anyone else, IMO.
 
  Once the reminder is placed in the thread, a yellow (or
  red) flag is raised. The person is reminded that they have
  the option to move the thread over to the other forum.
  Simple and polite. If they don't move it, or they argue,
  they're bucking for a ban.
 
  It is our way of helping Bill to provide this service for
  us. This is how community works. We make and abide by
  certain rules and we collectively support them.
 
  Yes?
  Anybody else agree with this?
 
 
  Anybody else willing to help watch the list for (purely)
  RELIGION and POLITIC threads? (I presume that threads about
  energy politics are acceptable.)
 
  Steve

 Steve, I'm under the impression that some participants continue to
 debate whether politics of any kind are acceptable within vortex-l
 prime. If so that would mean many of your valuable contributions would
 be considered inappropriate as well.

 I have just posted another topic, a proposal to consider the creation
 of a new discussion group, Vortex-LoT [VoT] for the specific purpose
 of discussing OT views that may have possibly originated within
 vortex-l prime [Vo]. But with one major difference from [VoB]: The new
 [VoT] group would be where the same netiquette rules apply. Please
 see:

 Discussion/Debate: Creating [VoT] to handle OT discussions

 And please feel free to comment, pro or con, on the matter.

 I'm just trying to find out if some might think that such a proposal
 could turn out to be a good solution...or not.

 Regards
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 www.OrionWorks.com
 www.zazzle.com/orionworks




Re: [Vo]:Help Vortex

2009-06-16 Thread mixent
In reply to  John Berry's message of Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:50:57 +1200:
Hi,
[snip]
3 lists, that would just be unmanageable.

Not necessarily. You can set the filter rules in your email client to send them
both to the same folder, and you wouldn't notice the difference. When you click
on reply it automatically goes to the right list. 

Better is a rule of thumb, politics
should be allowed as long as it is strictly on topic politics that isn't
causing a problem, otherwise as with any other off topic subject it ought to
go to B.
[snip]
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html



[Vo]:Help Vortex

2009-06-15 Thread Steven Krivit
Any or all of us could take responsibility in helping to maintain the 
effectiveness and integrity of the list.


I was not acutely aware that RELIGION and POLITICS were inappropriate 
subjects here until this recent flare-up. I, of course, thought they were 
OT, but tolerated.


Now if the word from our sponsor (Bill) says that, in fact, RELIGION and 
POLITICS are inappropriate here, then I won't hesitate to jump in and 
remind someone about that if I notice it. Nor should anyone else, IMO.


Once the reminder is placed in the thread, a yellow (or red) flag is 
raised. The person is reminded that they have the option to move the thread 
over to the other forum. Simple and polite. If they don't move it, or they 
argue, they're bucking for a ban.


It is our way of helping Bill to provide this service for us. This is how 
community works. We make and abide by certain rules and we collectively 
support them.


Yes?
Anybody else agree with this?
Anybody else willing to help watch the list for (purely) RELIGION and 
POLITIC threads? (I presume that threads about energy politics are acceptable.)


Steve



Re: [Vo]:Help Vortex

2009-06-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Steven
Krivitstev...@newenergytimes.com wrote:

 (I presume that threads about energy politics are
 acceptable.)

Rothwell might disagree.

Terry



Re: [Vo]:Help Vortex

2009-06-15 Thread John Berry
Agreed.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Steven Krivit
stev...@newenergytimes.comwrote:

 Any or all of us could take responsibility in helping to maintain the
 effectiveness and integrity of the list.

 I was not acutely aware that RELIGION and POLITICS were inappropriate
 subjects here until this recent flare-up. I, of course, thought they were
 OT, but tolerated.

 Now if the word from our sponsor (Bill) says that, in fact, RELIGION and
 POLITICS are inappropriate here, then I won't hesitate to jump in and remind
 someone about that if I notice it. Nor should anyone else, IMO.

 Once the reminder is placed in the thread, a yellow (or red) flag is
 raised. The person is reminded that they have the option to move the thread
 over to the other forum. Simple and polite. If they don't move it, or they
 argue, they're bucking for a ban.

 It is our way of helping Bill to provide this service for us. This is how
 community works. We make and abide by certain rules and we collectively
 support them.

 Yes?
 Anybody else agree with this?
 Anybody else willing to help watch the list for (purely) RELIGION and
 POLITIC threads? (I presume that threads about energy politics are
 acceptable.)

 Steve