[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[H LV]

The standard recipe for making nuclear isomers is to bombard nuclei
with high energy particles or photons.
By referencing the Mössbauer effect I am proposing that a condensed
matter environment could facilitate the formation of nuclear isomers.
In my mind this proposition is no less fantastic than the proposition
that a  condensed matter environment can facilitate nuclear fusion.



Harry


On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 12:25 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
> On Mar 5, 2016 8:15 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 16:00:49 -0500:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>> >On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
>> >> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:48:56 -0500:
>> >> Hi,
>> >> [snip]
>> >>>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
>> >>>energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
>> >>>of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
>> >>>be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
>> >>>a nucleus.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Harry
>> >>
>> >> There is very little recoil energy during gamma-ray emission.
>> >
>> >Yes...and?
>>
>> ...IOW the normal process is little energy shared with the lattice. Now
>> you want
>> to "invert" the process but have a lot of energy concentrated in the
>> nucleus.
>> What I am suggesting is that this wouldn't even be a true inversion of the
>> original process.
>
> This process would need to be repeated millions or billions of times to
> concentrate a lot of energy in the nucleus. If you can think of a better
> descriptor then please do.
> Harry

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[H LV]

On Mar 5, 2016 8:15 PM,  wrote:
>
> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 16:00:49 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
> >> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:48:56 -0500:
> >> Hi,
> >> [snip]
> >>>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
> >>>energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
> >>>of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
> >>>be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
> >>>a nucleus.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Harry
> >>
> >> There is very little recoil energy during gamma-ray emission.
> >
> >Yes...and?
>
> ...IOW the normal process is little energy shared with the lattice. Now
you want
> to "invert" the process but have a lot of energy concentrated in the
nucleus.
> What I am suggesting is that this wouldn't even be a true inversion of the
> original process.

This process would need to be repeated millions or billions of times to
concentrate a lot of energy in the nucleus. If you can think of a better
descriptor then please do.
Harry

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[mixent]

In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 18:46:19 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
>On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 10:48 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
>> energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
>> of the vibrational states of the lattice.
>
>
>I've always wondered about the explanation that the Mossbauer effect occurs
>because the lattice as a whole absorbs the recoil energy.  This case seems
>indistinguishable from the one where the nucleus is vibrating back and
>forth horizontally and emits the photon as it is moving forward, in the
>direction of travel, causing the recoil to cancel.  Is anyone familiar
>enough with the Mossbauer effect to explain why this alternative
>explanation is ruled out?

AFAIK, it also happens. Check out "phonon wing" in relation to the Mössbauer
effect.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[mixent]

In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 16:00:49 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
>> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:48:56 -0500:
>> Hi,
>> [snip]
>>>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
>>>energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
>>>of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
>>>be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
>>>a nucleus.
>>>
>>>
>>>Harry
>>
>> There is very little recoil energy during gamma-ray emission.
>
>Yes...and?

...IOW the normal process is little energy shared with the lattice. Now you want
to "invert" the process but have a lot of energy concentrated in the nucleus.
What I am suggesting is that this wouldn't even be a true inversion of the
original process.
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[Eric Walker]

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 10:48 AM, H LV  wrote:

In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
> energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
> of the vibrational states of the lattice.


I've always wondered about the explanation that the Mossbauer effect occurs
because the lattice as a whole absorbs the recoil energy.  This case seems
indistinguishable from the one where the nucleus is vibrating back and
forth horizontally and emits the photon as it is moving forward, in the
direction of travel, causing the recoil to cancel.  Is anyone familiar
enough with the Mossbauer effect to explain why this alternative
explanation is ruled out?

Eric

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[H LV]

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 3:52 PM,   wrote:
> In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:48:56 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
>>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
>>energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
>>of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
>>be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
>>a nucleus.
>>
>>
>>Harry
>
> There is very little recoil energy during gamma-ray emission.

Yes...and?

Harry

Re: [Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[mixent]

In reply to  H LV's message of Sat, 5 Mar 2016 11:48:56 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
>energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
>of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
>be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
>a nucleus.
>
>
>Harry

There is very little recoil energy during gamma-ray emission.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Inversion of the Mössbauer effect

[H LV]

In the Mössbauer effect when nucleus emits a photon all the recoil
energy is absorbed by the lattice as a whole due to the quantization
of the vibrational states of the lattice. I think this process could
be inverted where the vibrational energy of the lattice is absorbed by
a nucleus.


Harry