Re: [Vo]:LENR on the sun
http://hector.elte.hu/budapest14/slides/endrodi_0203_0204.pdf *QCD transition in magnetic fields* On Slide: *Typical magnetic fields* At 10^15Tesla, the electromagnetic and strong interactions can compete This is why I have said that 10^16Tesla is the magic level for magnetic fields in LENR. But we now know from experimentation, the magnetic field strength produced in LENR systems can be far weaker than that to be functional in catalyzing nuclear reactions. QCD On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: Regarding the intensity of magnetic fields on the Sun, I wonder how they compare to those in a high susceptibility metal like Mu metal? It may be that engineered magnetic fields in solid state metals produce much greater fields and more access to the Dirac Sea of virtual particles than the Sun's magnetic fields. There would not be may solid state, high susceptibility materials on the Sun's surface. The flux neutrinos associated with Sun spots may be in fact be spin polarized by the magnetic field and be able to escape the Sun more readily from reactions occurring deep below the surface. The bigger question is how would neutrinos change the half life of a nucleus in any case?The reaction cross section must be very small. Has Frishbach suggested any mechanism for the change in decay rate? Bob - Original Message - *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:36 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:LENR on the sun Sunspots, the source of solar flares are produced by plasma vortexes, or more apply plasma hurricanes that actually disrupt the convection of energy carrying photons from the sun's core deeper in the sun. Sunspots are temporary phenomena on the surface of the Photosphere that appear as dark spots compared to the surrounding regions. They are caused by intense magnetic activity, which inhibits convection, forming areas of lower surface temperatures. If a Sunspot were isolated from its surrounding Photosphere, it would be brighter than an electric arc. Sunspots expand and contract as they move across the surface of the sun. They can be as large as 50,000 miles in diameter making the larger ones visible from Earth. In more detail, it is now believed that the twisting magnetic action in the plasma Convection Zone just below the sun's surface causes sunspots to form, flares, etc. to form, and the sun's magnetic field to reverse itself every 22 years. (The earth's magnetic field also reverses itself, but only about once every million years. If the sunspot was a significant source of nuclear activity at the surface of the sun, the spots would be brighter than the surrounding surface area. The case for nuclear production inside the vortex during its formation might be carried by the fact that neutrinos begin to increase some 36 hours before the solar flare erupts. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins, while measuring the decay rate of manganese-54, a short-lived isotope used in medical diagnostics, noticed that the rate dropped slightly during the flare, a decrease that started about a day and a half before the flare. The assumption is that the increase in neutrino production and associated nuclear activity decreases the rate of radioactive decay. Flares are formed when intense magnetic fields from below the sun's surface link up with magnetic fields in the outer Corona in a process called Magnetic Reconnection. Flares are powered by the sudden release of magnetic energy stored in the sun's Corona. The same energy release may also produce a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME), but not always. And, sometimes CMEs form without Flares. The connection between Flares and CMEs is not well understood. Magnetic Reconnection is a physical process in highly conductive plasmas where magnetic fields clash, re-configure themselves into a lower energy level, and the excess magnetic energy is then converted into kinetic and thermal energy. Big Flares are equivalent to billions of megatons of TNT exploding within a few seconds. A big flare can produce one sixth of the total energy output of the sum localized at a small spot on the sun. Billions of tons of electrons, protons, and other particles that are accelerated by Magnetic Reconnection in a Flare approach the speed of light. It is still not possible to predict when a CME or Flare will erupt because the trigger mechanism isn't known. It might be that the flare and the CME occur at a later stage of the magnetic field formation process. Nuclear reactions caused by the magnetic mechanisms inside the sunspot gradually increase over days before a flare occurs. Strangely, the video from Purdue referenced below shows that there is a precise relationship between the total production of EMF in the sun and the radioactive decay rate seen on earth at about 26 minutes into the video. IMHO
Re: [Vo]:LENR on the sun
Sunspots, the source of solar flares are produced by plasma vortexes, or more apply plasma hurricanes that actually disrupt the convection of energy carrying photons from the sun's core deeper in the sun. Sunspots are temporary phenomena on the surface of the Photosphere that appear as dark spots compared to the surrounding regions. They are caused by intense magnetic activity, which inhibits convection, forming areas of lower surface temperatures. If a Sunspot were isolated from its surrounding Photosphere, it would be brighter than an electric arc. Sunspots expand and contract as they move across the surface of the sun. They can be as large as 50,000 miles in diameter making the larger ones visible from Earth. In more detail, it is now believed that the twisting magnetic action in the plasma Convection Zone just below the sun's surface causes sunspots to form, flares, etc. to form, and the sun's magnetic field to reverse itself every 22 years. (The earth's magnetic field also reverses itself, but only about once every million years. If the sunspot was a significant source of nuclear activity at the surface of the sun, the spots would be brighter than the surrounding surface area. The case for nuclear production inside the vortex during its formation might be carried by the fact that neutrinos begin to increase some 36 hours before the solar flare erupts. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins, while measuring the decay rate of manganese-54, a short-lived isotope used in medical diagnostics, noticed that the rate dropped slightly during the flare, a decrease that started about a day and a half before the flare. The assumption is that the increase in neutrino production and associated nuclear activity decreases the rate of radioactive decay. Flares are formed when intense magnetic fields from below the sun's surface link up with magnetic fields in the outer Corona in a process called Magnetic Reconnection. Flares are powered by the sudden release of magnetic energy stored in the sun's Corona. The same energy release may also produce a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME), but not always. And, sometimes CMEs form without Flares. The connection between Flares and CMEs is not well understood. Magnetic Reconnection is a physical process in highly conductive plasmas where magnetic fields clash, re-configure themselves into a lower energy level, and the excess magnetic energy is then converted into kinetic and thermal energy. Big Flares are equivalent to billions of megatons of TNT exploding within a few seconds. A big flare can produce one sixth of the total energy output of the sum localized at a small spot on the sun. Billions of tons of electrons, protons, and other particles that are accelerated by Magnetic Reconnection in a Flare approach the speed of light. It is still not possible to predict when a CME or Flare will erupt because the trigger mechanism isn't known. It might be that the flare and the CME occur at a later stage of the magnetic field formation process. Nuclear reactions caused by the magnetic mechanisms inside the sunspot gradually increase over days before a flare occurs. Strangely, the video from Purdue referenced below shows that there is a precise relationship between the total production of EMF in the sun and the radioactive decay rate seen on earth at about 26 minutes into the video. IMHO, this is an alternative causation posit to the neutrino causation posit. Whatever it is, this effect goes as the inverse square of the distance from the sun. When the experiments at the earthbound source of neutrinos are conclusively tested at a nuclear reactor, and no effect on isotope decay rates are bot seen, then EMF production from the sun will remain as the probable source of this effect. And this effect must be a magnetically based LENR effect if the reaction is happening locally here on earth. E. Fischbach, New Evidence for a Solar Influence on Nuclear Decay Rates https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzOOkR3a4vM On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:01:26 -0400: Hi, [snip] Sunspots must be producing neutrinos as a result of magnetically induced nuclear reactions, since radioactive decay is affected by sunspots. I suspect you are right about nuclear reactions in sunspots, however I don't think you have shown that they are necessarily magnetically induced. (Though they may be.) The strong magnetic fields that accompany sunspots may be a consequence of the nuclear reactions, rather than the cause. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:LENR on the sun
The strong magnetic fields that accompany sunspots may be a consequence of the nuclear reactions, rather than the cause. Or it could be that the two work together in a positive feedback fashion leading to large magnetic field lines and increased nuclear reactions. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Apr 19, 2014 11:23 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR on the sun In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:01:26 -0400: Hi, [snip] Sunspots must be producing neutrinos as a result of magnetically induced nuclear reactions, since radioactive decay is affected by sunspots. I suspect you are right about nuclear reactions in sunspots, however I don't think you have shown that they are necessarily magnetically induced. (Though they may be.) The strong magnetic fields that accompany sunspots may be a consequence of the nuclear reactions, rather than the cause. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:LENR on the sun
Regarding the intensity of magnetic fields on the Sun, I wonder how they compare to those in a high susceptibility metal like Mu metal? It may be that engineered magnetic fields in solid state metals produce much greater fields and more access to the Dirac Sea of virtual particles than the Sun's magnetic fields. There would not be may solid state, high susceptibility materials on the Sun's surface. The flux neutrinos associated with Sun spots may be in fact be spin polarized by the magnetic field and be able to escape the Sun more readily from reactions occurring deep below the surface. The bigger question is how would neutrinos change the half life of a nucleus in any case?The reaction cross section must be very small. Has Frishbach suggested any mechanism for the change in decay rate? Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR on the sun Sunspots, the source of solar flares are produced by plasma vortexes, or more apply plasma hurricanes that actually disrupt the convection of energy carrying photons from the sun's core deeper in the sun. Sunspots are temporary phenomena on the surface of the Photosphere that appear as dark spots compared to the surrounding regions. They are caused by intense magnetic activity, which inhibits convection, forming areas of lower surface temperatures. If a Sunspot were isolated from its surrounding Photosphere, it would be brighter than an electric arc. Sunspots expand and contract as they move across the surface of the sun. They can be as large as 50,000 miles in diameter making the larger ones visible from Earth. In more detail, it is now believed that the twisting magnetic action in the plasma Convection Zone just below the sun's surface causes sunspots to form, flares, etc. to form, and the sun's magnetic field to reverse itself every 22 years. (The earth's magnetic field also reverses itself, but only about once every million years. If the sunspot was a significant source of nuclear activity at the surface of the sun, the spots would be brighter than the surrounding surface area. The case for nuclear production inside the vortex during its formation might be carried by the fact that neutrinos begin to increase some 36 hours before the solar flare erupts. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins, while measuring the decay rate of manganese-54, a short-lived isotope used in medical diagnostics, noticed that the rate dropped slightly during the flare, a decrease that started about a day and a half before the flare. The assumption is that the increase in neutrino production and associated nuclear activity decreases the rate of radioactive decay. Flares are formed when intense magnetic fields from below the sun's surface link up with magnetic fields in the outer Corona in a process called Magnetic Reconnection. Flares are powered by the sudden release of magnetic energy stored in the sun's Corona. The same energy release may also produce a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME), but not always. And, sometimes CMEs form without Flares. The connection between Flares and CMEs is not well understood. Magnetic Reconnection is a physical process in highly conductive plasmas where magnetic fields clash, re-configure themselves into a lower energy level, and the excess magnetic energy is then converted into kinetic and thermal energy. Big Flares are equivalent to billions of megatons of TNT exploding within a few seconds. A big flare can produce one sixth of the total energy output of the sum localized at a small spot on the sun. Billions of tons of electrons, protons, and other particles that are accelerated by Magnetic Reconnection in a Flare approach the speed of light. It is still not possible to predict when a CME or Flare will erupt because the trigger mechanism isn't known. It might be that the flare and the CME occur at a later stage of the magnetic field formation process. Nuclear reactions caused by the magnetic mechanisms inside the sunspot gradually increase over days before a flare occurs. Strangely, the video from Purdue referenced below shows that there is a precise relationship between the total production of EMF in the sun and the radioactive decay rate seen on earth at about 26 minutes into the video. IMHO, this is an alternative causation posit to the neutrino causation posit. Whatever it is, this effect goes as the inverse square of the distance from the sun. When the experiments at the earthbound source of neutrinos are conclusively tested at a nuclear reactor, and no effect on isotope decay rates are bot seen, then EMF production from the sun will remain as the probable source of this effect. And this effect must be a magnetically based LENR effect if the reaction is happening locally here on earth. E. Fischbach, New Evidence for a Solar Influence on Nuclear Decay Rates
Re: [Vo]:LENR on the sun
Fischbach should sputter some of the same Mn radioactive isotopes on a mu metal and subject the isotopes to intense magnetic fields and see if the decay rate changes any. It very well may have an effect. Bob - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2014 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR on the sun Sunspots, the source of solar flares are produced by plasma vortexes, or more apply plasma hurricanes that actually disrupt the convection of energy carrying photons from the sun's core deeper in the sun. Sunspots are temporary phenomena on the surface of the Photosphere that appear as dark spots compared to the surrounding regions. They are caused by intense magnetic activity, which inhibits convection, forming areas of lower surface temperatures. If a Sunspot were isolated from its surrounding Photosphere, it would be brighter than an electric arc. Sunspots expand and contract as they move across the surface of the sun. They can be as large as 50,000 miles in diameter making the larger ones visible from Earth. In more detail, it is now believed that the twisting magnetic action in the plasma Convection Zone just below the sun's surface causes sunspots to form, flares, etc. to form, and the sun's magnetic field to reverse itself every 22 years. (The earth's magnetic field also reverses itself, but only about once every million years. If the sunspot was a significant source of nuclear activity at the surface of the sun, the spots would be brighter than the surrounding surface area. The case for nuclear production inside the vortex during its formation might be carried by the fact that neutrinos begin to increase some 36 hours before the solar flare erupts. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins, while measuring the decay rate of manganese-54, a short-lived isotope used in medical diagnostics, noticed that the rate dropped slightly during the flare, a decrease that started about a day and a half before the flare. The assumption is that the increase in neutrino production and associated nuclear activity decreases the rate of radioactive decay. Flares are formed when intense magnetic fields from below the sun's surface link up with magnetic fields in the outer Corona in a process called Magnetic Reconnection. Flares are powered by the sudden release of magnetic energy stored in the sun's Corona. The same energy release may also produce a Coronal Mass Ejection (CME), but not always. And, sometimes CMEs form without Flares. The connection between Flares and CMEs is not well understood. Magnetic Reconnection is a physical process in highly conductive plasmas where magnetic fields clash, re-configure themselves into a lower energy level, and the excess magnetic energy is then converted into kinetic and thermal energy. Big Flares are equivalent to billions of megatons of TNT exploding within a few seconds. A big flare can produce one sixth of the total energy output of the sum localized at a small spot on the sun. Billions of tons of electrons, protons, and other particles that are accelerated by Magnetic Reconnection in a Flare approach the speed of light. It is still not possible to predict when a CME or Flare will erupt because the trigger mechanism isn't known. It might be that the flare and the CME occur at a later stage of the magnetic field formation process. Nuclear reactions caused by the magnetic mechanisms inside the sunspot gradually increase over days before a flare occurs. Strangely, the video from Purdue referenced below shows that there is a precise relationship between the total production of EMF in the sun and the radioactive decay rate seen on earth at about 26 minutes into the video. IMHO, this is an alternative causation posit to the neutrino causation posit. Whatever it is, this effect goes as the inverse square of the distance from the sun. When the experiments at the earthbound source of neutrinos are conclusively tested at a nuclear reactor, and no effect on isotope decay rates are bot seen, then EMF production from the sun will remain as the probable source of this effect. And this effect must be a magnetically based LENR effect if the reaction is happening locally here on earth. E. Fischbach, New Evidence for a Solar Influence on Nuclear Decay Rates https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzOOkR3a4vM On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:23 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:01:26 -0400: Hi, [snip] Sunspots must be producing neutrinos as a result of magnetically induced nuclear reactions, since radioactive decay is affected by sunspots. I suspect you are right about nuclear reactions in sunspots, however I don't think you have shown that they are necessarily magnetically induced. (Though they may be.) The strong magnetic fields that accompany sunspots may
[Vo]:LENR on the sun
The sun's surface temperature is 5,800 Kelvin or about 10,000 °F. But... the temperature of its core is 15,700,000 Kelvin! The sun's diameter is 865,000 miles, The Radiative Zone, from 25% to 70% of the solar radius, the Radiative material is hot and dense enough that thermal radiation (not fusion) transfers the intense heat of the Core outward. Heat is transferred by photon radiation. Very hot ions of hydrogen and helium emit photons which are absorbed in only a few millimeters of solar plasma and then are re-emitted again in random directions. This random radiation process takes a very long time for photons to reach the sun's surface as sunlight. Estimates of the photon travel time range from 10,000 to 170,000 years! Nuclear fusion takes place in the sun's core. Energy then moves by photon radiation through the radiation zone (no fusion) to the convection zone. The energy in the form of heat then moves by convection to the surface. Convection is the flow of heat through a fluid, in this case plasma. (Convection does not occur in solids.) Convection takes place in one of two ways: by the random interaction of high energy (heated) particles (Brownian Motion) and by the flow of heated currents in the fluid plasma. Once the energy reaches the sun's surface it is mainly transmitted by rays (photons) and the solar wind (particles) to the rest of the hemisphere. The energy output of the sun is too variable and periodic to be produced by photon radiation from the sun’s surface with such long transfer delay times. Energy must be transferred from the sun’s core to its surface rapidly through magnetic energy transfer. Magnetic fields interact with the sun’s atmosphere to convert the huge energy content of the magnetic fields to photon energy magnetically induced in this corona. Variations in total solar irradiance were too small to detect with technology available before the satellite era, although the small fraction in ultra-violet light has recently been found to vary significantly more than previously thought over the course of a solar cycle. Total solar output is now measured to vary (over the last three 11-year sunspot cycles) by approximately 0.1%, during the 11-year sunspot cycle. Magnetic effects add to the energy output of the sun witnessed by the change in the sun’s radiance based on sunspot activity. Could magnetic fields originating on the surface of the sun be producing nuclear reactions via cold fusion? This all goes back to 2006, when physicists at Purdue, Stanford and other places noticed something that at first defied physical explanation: Radioactive elements were changing their decay rates. This flew in the face of long-accepted physics theory, which held that these rates are constant. Radioactive decay apparently grew more pronounced in winter than in summer, and when scientists went looking for an explanation, they noticed this appeared to correlate with solar flares. Last year, we learned from Purdue physicist Ephraim Fischbach that this kept happening. He noticed a change in the radioactive decay rate of a manganese isotope, and also tied it to a solar flare that happened a night before. So that meant something came out of the sun, went through the Earth, hit a piece of manganese-54 and changed the rate at which it decays into chromium-54, spewing out ionizing particles. This also happened to an isotope called chlorine-36, in different experiments at different labs. The unusual decay change has happened during 10 solar flares since 2006, and the song remains the same. We have repeatedly seen a precursor signal preceding a solar flare, Fischbach says in a new news release. We think this has predictive value. The decay-rate aberrations that Jenkins noticed occurred during the middle of the night in Indiana – meaning that something produced by the sun had traveled all the way through the Earth to reach Jenkins' detectors. What could the flare send forth that could have such an effect? Jenkins and Fischbach guessed that the culprits in this bit of decay-rate mischief were probably solar neutrinos, the almost weightless particles famous for flying at almost the speed of light through the physical world – humans, rocks, oceans or planets – with virtually no interaction with anything. Sunspots must be producing neutrinos as a result of magnetically induced nuclear reactions, since radioactive decay is affected by sunspots. Neutrino production is the smoking gun for magnetically induced LENR. It does not make since to assume that all neutrinos and their production via nuclear activity must come from the core of the sun. The takeaway for logic to prevail, LENR is produced by magnetic activity on the surface of the sun.
Re: [Vo]:LENR on the sun
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sat, 19 Apr 2014 20:01:26 -0400: Hi, [snip] Sunspots must be producing neutrinos as a result of magnetically induced nuclear reactions, since radioactive decay is affected by sunspots. I suspect you are right about nuclear reactions in sunspots, however I don't think you have shown that they are necessarily magnetically induced. (Though they may be.) The strong magnetic fields that accompany sunspots may be a consequence of the nuclear reactions, rather than the cause. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html