Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

2017-02-16 Thread Terry Blanton 
MH370 was allegedly carrying a cargo of Li batteries.  They weren't on the
manifest because they were not legal for air transport.

The Boeing 787 had problematic Li batteries integral to the craft.  The
fleet was grounded several times until they developed a fix.

It's all on the google.

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

2017-02-14 Thread mixent 
In reply to  MarkI-ZeroPoint's message of Mon, 13 Feb 2017 22:29:54 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
>Just a guess Robin, but one can stop a 60mph car/truck and get out of harm's
>way a bit faster than an airplane going 500+mph at 3 ft!
>:-)
[snip]
Good point! :)

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

2017-02-14 Thread Alain Sepeda 
A decade ago I followed the LiFePO4 technology which was promising, as less
dense but totally safe...

What did it became? I don't hear of it anymore... Outpaced?

2017-02-14 8:41 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil :

> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/tech/new-damage-proof-
> battery-has-higher-energy-density-wont-explode/
>
> A safe battery.
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:16 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only,
>> do not
>> send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
>> contained
>> Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road,
>> but not
>> by air?
>> Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in
>> aircraft. If
>> that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
>> altitude
>> is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

2017-02-14 Thread Frank Grimer 
Thanks for that. Most interesting. Especially the video contrasting the
effect of brutality on the liquid lithium and the solid lithium batteries.
:-)

On 14 February 2017 at 07:41, Axil Axil  wrote:

> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/tech/new-damage-proof-
> battery-has-higher-energy-density-wont-explode/
>
> A safe battery.
>
> On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:16 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only,
>> do not
>> send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
>> contained
>> Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road,
>> but not
>> by air?
>> Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in
>> aircraft. If
>> that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
>> altitude
>> is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

2017-02-13 Thread Axil Axil 
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/next/tech/new-damage-proof-battery-has-higher-energy-density-wont-explode/

A safe battery.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 9:16 PM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only, do
> not
> send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
> contained
> Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road,
> but not
> by air?
> Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in
> aircraft. If
> that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
> altitude
> is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??
>
> Regards,
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Li batteries

2017-02-13 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint 
Just a guess Robin, but one can stop a 60mph car/truck and get out of harm's
way a bit faster than an airplane going 500+mph at 3 ft!
:-)
And the heat burning thru the skin of the vehicle. They now have specialized
containers on aircraft which will withstand the heat from failing Li
battery...
-mark


-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2017 6:17 PM
To: VORTEX
Subject: [Vo]:Li batteries

Hi,

I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only, do
not send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
contained Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by
road, but not by air? 
Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in aircraft.
If that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
altitude is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by
air??

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

2017-02-13 Thread Bob Higgins 
As I understand the problem, the large note 7 had a large display and
needed a lot of battery energy.  Yet, everybody wants a slim phone.  The
Li-ion battery they designed had internal separators that were too thin.
When the battery ages, it swells, even though it hasn't lost capacity.  The
case pushes back on the swollen battery pack and in the case of the note 7
the separator punctured and allowed the cell to short out.  When the cell
shorts, a tremendous current flows causing localized heating that melts the
plastic pouch and exposes the Li compound to air where it starts fire.

There is no need to invoke LENR to explain the problem.  In fact, there are
plenty of Li batteries with more Li inside that never experience this
problem.

On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:46 PM, John Berry  wrote:

> The Samsung Galaxy has a serious battery fire issue.
>
> I don't think it is that size has a huge impact on the probability other
> than maybe scaling linearly obviously, but that it has a huge impact on the
> seriousness of a problem.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
>> Millions of air passengers carry their cell phones onboard. Cell phones
>> have lithium batteries, yet you don't hear about them being a problem. It
>> would be interesting to know if there is a correlation between the size of
>> the battery and the failure rate when airborne.
>>
>>
>> mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only,
>>> do not
>>> send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
>>> contained
>>> Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road,
>>> but not
>>> by air?
>>> Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in
>>> aircraft. If
>>> that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
>>> altitude
>>> is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>>
>>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

2017-02-12 Thread John Berry 
The Samsung Galaxy has a serious battery fire issue.

I don't think it is that size has a huge impact on the probability other
than maybe scaling linearly obviously, but that it has a huge impact on the
seriousness of a problem.

John

On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 3:33 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Millions of air passengers carry their cell phones onboard. Cell phones
> have lithium batteries, yet you don't hear about them being a problem. It
> would be interesting to know if there is a correlation between the size of
> the battery and the failure rate when airborne.
>
>
> mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>>
>> I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only,
>> do not
>> send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably
>> contained
>> Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road,
>> but not
>> by air?
>> Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in
>> aircraft. If
>> that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at
>> altitude
>> is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robin van Spaandonk
>>
>> http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Li batteries

2017-02-12 Thread Jones Beene 
Millions of air passengers carry their cell phones onboard. Cell phones 
have lithium batteries, yet you don't hear about them being a problem. 
It would be interesting to know if there is a correlation between the 
size of the battery and the failure rate when airborne.


mix...@bigpond.com wrote:


Hi,

I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only, do not
send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably contained
Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road, but not
by air?
Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in aircraft. If
that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at altitude
is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

[Vo]:Li batteries

2017-02-12 Thread mixent 
Hi,

I recently saw a sticker on an envelope that said "road transport only, do not
send by air", and it occurred to me that the item in question probably contained
Li batteries. I wonder why it's safe to transport Li batteries by road, but not
by air? 
Also most of the Li battery failures I have heard of have been in aircraft. If
that's the case, then perhaps the higher level of cosmic radiation at altitude
is the immediate cause of failure of Li batteries transported by air??

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html