Re: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[H Ucar]

Assuming the boson is made of e- and e+, their kinetic energy would be
equal to mass of the boson minus the pair. This condition might
prevent the anhilation which explain the absence of the gamma. About
e- e+ pairing different from positronium there is a paper of A. O.
Barut titled THE ELECTRON-POSITRON SYSTEM AT SHORT DISTANCES
available from http://library01.ictp.it.

On 5/29/16, Jones Beene  wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: H Ucar
>
> ... I had speculated about possibility of a bound state of e- and e+ at a
> short distance through magnetic interaction different from para/ortho
> positroniums and if the bond will be stable this would be a candidate for
> dark matter (WIMP).
>
>
> The lack of the characteristic gamma is the most problematic feature of this
> boson, and the same with Holmlid's muons. Why is it missing? Don Hotson had
> an answer - there is no real annihilation event. This explanation is moving
> into the EPO/Epola territory of Hotson/Simhony where the electron and
> positron are the actual makeup of the vacuum, and annihilation events are
> not favored and rare. It would be analogous to ordinary salt crystal
> lattices where ions oscillate in and out but do not convert substantial mass
> to energy when they neutralize into the crystal. But with epos, the
> "crystal" is the background state which is hidden from sensory perception.
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-
From: H Ucar 

... I had speculated about possibility of a bound state of e- and e+ at a short 
distance through magnetic interaction different from para/ortho positroniums 
and if the bond will be stable this would be a candidate for dark matter (WIMP).


The lack of the characteristic gamma is the most problematic feature of this 
boson, and the same with Holmlid's muons. Why is it missing? Don Hotson had an 
answer - there is no real annihilation event. This explanation is moving into 
the EPO/Epola territory of Hotson/Simhony where the electron and positron are 
the actual makeup of the vacuum, and annihilation events are not favored and 
rare. It would be analogous to ordinary salt crystal lattices where ions 
oscillate in and out but do not convert substantial mass to energy when they 
neutralize into the crystal. But with epos, the "crystal" is the background 
state which is hidden from sensory perception.

Re: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[H Ucar]

Few weeks ago in a private mail I had speculated about possibility of
a bound state of e- and e+ at a short distance through magnetic
interaction different from para/ortho positroniums and if the bond
will be stable this would be a candidate for dark matter (WIMP).

The new boson has only 10^-14 second lifetime meanwhile authors wrote:
"Such a boson might be a good candidate for the rela-
tively light U(1)d gauge boson [2], or the light mediator
of the secluded WIMP dark matter scenario [3] or the
dark Z (Zd) suggested for explaining the muon anoma-
lous magnetic moment [5]. The coupling constant (ǫ
2) of the dark Z having a mass of 18 MeV is predicted to be in
the 10−6 range for explaining the g-2 anomaly [5], which
could fairly well explain the boson to γ-decay branching
ratio measured in the present work. The lifetime of the
boson with the above coupling strength is expected to be
in the order of 10−14 s [4]. This gives a flight distance of
about 30 µm in the present experiment, and would imply
a very sharp resonance (Γ ≈ 0.07 eV) in the future e+e−
scattering experiments."


On 5/26/16, Jones Beene  wrote:
> Imagine a previously unrecognized bosonic nuclear force, somewhat like a
> gluon - but which has an associated force which is "protophobic" meaning
> that it attracts and binds neutrons, and repels protons. By analogy - this
> new force acts like a magnet for neutrons and a diamagnet for protons.
>
> The new force/particle has received little attention . and since we are
> among the first to consider it in all its newfound glory, let's name it
> "neuglu" for the obvious reasons. It has a lot of mass-energy - nearly 17
> MeV, and possibly can provide the lost mass needed to account for the
> thermal gain seen in LENR.
>
> The neuglu-boson is thus a range force which can arise between neutrons and
> electrons or between small groups of low Z nuclei if the neutron alignment
> is correct, since the above description of "protophobia" is eliminates it
> from large nuclei. Even so, these groups must present exposed contact zones
> of only neutrons, and possibly it adds stability. Plus, it is not easy to
> account for why the neuglu boson has been completely unrecognized all these
> years - but if SLAC says is so, then I am not going to argue with SLAC.
>
> To continue, if neuglu is real and it can act between exposed neutrons when
> groups geometrically favorable, then it will be found in predictable
> circumstances. Such a particle would carry a force that acts over distances
> only several times the width of an atomic nucleus and could temporarily
> bind
> atoms like deuterium ***without fusion*** into agglomerations which mimic
> other atoms and provide excess energy on decay.
>
> Now, imagine a cluster of four deuterons arranged in a tetrahedron, such
> that all the four neutrons pointed inward to the focal point of the
> arrangement, where the neuglu boson is spatially active. The four protons
> point outward - giving a rather pronounced positive near field. We can call
> this species beryllium-8, and it is short lived, but ironically the neuglu
> may prohibit fusion. Yet, this isomer does not need to decay to alphas and
> may instead sequentially form and reform from only UDD.
>
> Moreover, other neuglu bound nuclei are possible which are longer-lived,
> including 10B, 12C, 14N, 16O. Thus - here is a prediction which will
> provide
> some falsifiability to the premise that neuglu can bind deuterons in a way
> that mimics low Z elements.
>
>
> --
> One way that the "fifth force" (or sixth, since the fifth force is already
> spoken for) could be relevant to LENR relates to Takahashi's TSC theory, or
> a revised version of it. This involves a Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate .
> which, of course, has four vertices, or four active components - normally
> four deuterons. This is a very stable platonic solid form, and it can look
> very much like beryllium-8.
>
> This is sometimes called cluster fusion since more than two particles are
> involved. Four deuterons in the ultradense UDD state could react giving the
> fusion product or else the appearance of a 8Be atom which the Hungarians
> base everything on. If we want to go beyond Takahashi, fusion is NOT
> required -- merely the temporary formation of the tetrahedron, which has
> binding energy, followed by its energetic breakup back to deuterons -
> courtesy of the fifth force. Implied is asymmetry.
>
> That is one way to avoid the problem of lack of gamma radiation. Of course
> no one knows the expected ash, but if helium is found, then it is real
> cluster fusion - but this is highly unlikely IMO and otherwise, there would
> be a new type of gain based on 5th force dynamics.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[H LV]

Interesting how they are able to design a pair of magnets to either attract
until they repel or to repel until they attract.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLZMJYqEdQw

Harry

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 3:31 PM, H LV  wrote:

> ​More examples of programmable magnets
>
> https://youtu.be/IANBoybVApQ?t=2m14s
>
> Harry​
>
> On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 2:46 PM, H Ucar  wrote:
>
>> This demonstation of 'correlated magnetic phenomenon' is not working
>> as explained. Obviously if magnets allowed to move freely they arrange
>> their positions for attraction only and they will stick. Otherwise
>> they had found a way to circumvent the Earnshaw theorem.
>>
>> On 5/28/16, Jones Beene  wrote:
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: H Ucar
>> >
>> >> I experimentally show oscillatory magnetic interaction between dipole
>> >> bodies exhibits strong repulsion at short distance therefore provides
>> >> eqilibrium for the bound state in presence of attractive magnetic or
>> >> electric forces... This mechanism could be the origin of weak and
>> strong
>> >> interactions without requiring new forces or glue particles Since
>> the
>> >> bound states through magnetic interactions are fully dynamic, it might
>> be
>> >> possible to disturb or break it easier than if based on static
>> forces
>> >
>> >
>> > This is insightful - and I agree with the general conclusion despite the
>> > vast difference in scale, when moving from centimeters to angstroms. The
>> > same point is also made by the "correlated magnetic" phenomenon, in
>> which
>> > "repel" and "attract" functions are coded into a single magnet, which
>> does
>> > both depending on relative position.
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POc32aioLFE
>> >
>> > The strong and weak force could be a similar situation - with the
>> so-called
>> > 5th force being a relic of one or the other.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[H LV]

​More examples of programmable magnets

https://youtu.be/IANBoybVApQ?t=2m14s

Harry​

On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 2:46 PM, H Ucar  wrote:

> This demonstation of 'correlated magnetic phenomenon' is not working
> as explained. Obviously if magnets allowed to move freely they arrange
> their positions for attraction only and they will stick. Otherwise
> they had found a way to circumvent the Earnshaw theorem.
>
> On 5/28/16, Jones Beene  wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: H Ucar
> >
> >> I experimentally show oscillatory magnetic interaction between dipole
> >> bodies exhibits strong repulsion at short distance therefore provides
> >> eqilibrium for the bound state in presence of attractive magnetic or
> >> electric forces... This mechanism could be the origin of weak and strong
> >> interactions without requiring new forces or glue particles Since
> the
> >> bound states through magnetic interactions are fully dynamic, it might
> be
> >> possible to disturb or break it easier than if based on static
> forces
> >
> >
> > This is insightful - and I agree with the general conclusion despite the
> > vast difference in scale, when moving from centimeters to angstroms. The
> > same point is also made by the "correlated magnetic" phenomenon, in which
> > "repel" and "attract" functions are coded into a single magnet, which
> does
> > both depending on relative position.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POc32aioLFE
> >
> > The strong and weak force could be a similar situation - with the
> so-called
> > 5th force being a relic of one or the other.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[H Ucar]

This demonstation of 'correlated magnetic phenomenon' is not working
as explained. Obviously if magnets allowed to move freely they arrange
their positions for attraction only and they will stick. Otherwise
they had found a way to circumvent the Earnshaw theorem.

On 5/28/16, Jones Beene  wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: H Ucar
>
>> I experimentally show oscillatory magnetic interaction between dipole
>> bodies exhibits strong repulsion at short distance therefore provides
>> eqilibrium for the bound state in presence of attractive magnetic or
>> electric forces... This mechanism could be the origin of weak and strong
>> interactions without requiring new forces or glue particles Since the
>> bound states through magnetic interactions are fully dynamic, it might be
>> possible to disturb or break it easier than if based on static forces
>
>
> This is insightful - and I agree with the general conclusion despite the
> vast difference in scale, when moving from centimeters to angstroms. The
> same point is also made by the "correlated magnetic" phenomenon, in which
> "repel" and "attract" functions are coded into a single magnet, which does
> both depending on relative position.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POc32aioLFE
>
> The strong and weak force could be a similar situation - with the so-called
> 5th force being a relic of one or the other.
>
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-
From: H Ucar 

> I experimentally show oscillatory magnetic interaction between dipole bodies 
> exhibits strong repulsion at short distance therefore provides eqilibrium for 
> the bound state in presence of attractive magnetic or electric forces... This 
> mechanism could be the origin of weak and strong interactions without 
> requiring new forces or glue particles Since the bound states through 
> magnetic interactions are fully dynamic, it might be possible to disturb or 
> break it easier than if based on static forces


This is insightful - and I agree with the general conclusion despite the vast 
difference in scale, when moving from centimeters to angstroms. The same point 
is also made by the "correlated magnetic" phenomenon, in which "repel" and 
"attract" functions are coded into a single magnet, which does both depending 
on relative position.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POc32aioLFE

The strong and weak force could be a similar situation - with the so-called 5th 
force being a relic of one or the other. 

Re: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[H Ucar]

I'd experimentally showed (
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3KwdWTgl7fisd3h_tK1YLhFeuzkPATNt
) oscillatory magnetic interaction between dipole bodies exhibits
strong repulsion at short distance therefore provides eqilibrium for
the bound state in presence of attractive magnetic or electric forces.
This mechanism could be the origin of weak and strong interactions
without requiring new forces or glue particles. See 'Derivation of
strong and weak forces from magnetic interactions in quantum
electrodynamics (QED)'
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01596194

(This link only allows to see the abstract and the first page free of charge)

Since the bound states through magnetic interactions are fully
dynamic, it might be possible to disturb or break it easier than if
they were based on static forces.


On 5/26/16, Jones Beene  wrote:
> Imagine a previously unrecognized bosonic nuclear force, somewhat like a
> gluon - but which has an associated force which is "protophobic" meaning
> that it attracts and binds neutrons, and repels protons. By analogy - this
> new force acts like a magnet for neutrons and a diamagnet for protons.
>
> The new force/particle has received little attention . and since we are
> among the first to consider it in all its newfound glory, let's name it
> "neuglu" for the obvious reasons. It has a lot of mass-energy - nearly 17
> MeV, and possibly can provide the lost mass needed to account for the
> thermal gain seen in LENR.
>
> The neuglu-boson is thus a range force which can arise between neutrons and
> electrons or between small groups of low Z nuclei if the neutron alignment
> is correct, since the above description of "protophobia" is eliminates it
> from large nuclei. Even so, these groups must present exposed contact zones
> of only neutrons, and possibly it adds stability. Plus, it is not easy to
> account for why the neuglu boson has been completely unrecognized all these
> years - but if SLAC says is so, then I am not going to argue with SLAC.
>
> To continue, if neuglu is real and it can act between exposed neutrons when
> groups geometrically favorable, then it will be found in predictable
> circumstances. Such a particle would carry a force that acts over distances
> only several times the width of an atomic nucleus and could temporarily
> bind
> atoms like deuterium ***without fusion*** into agglomerations which mimic
> other atoms and provide excess energy on decay.
>
> Now, imagine a cluster of four deuterons arranged in a tetrahedron, such
> that all the four neutrons pointed inward to the focal point of the
> arrangement, where the neuglu boson is spatially active. The four protons
> point outward - giving a rather pronounced positive near field. We can call
> this species beryllium-8, and it is short lived, but ironically the neuglu
> may prohibit fusion. Yet, this isomer does not need to decay to alphas and
> may instead sequentially form and reform from only UDD.
>
> Moreover, other neuglu bound nuclei are possible which are longer-lived,
> including 10B, 12C, 14N, 16O. Thus - here is a prediction which will
> provide
> some falsifiability to the premise that neuglu can bind deuterons in a way
> that mimics low Z elements.
>
>
> --
> One way that the "fifth force" (or sixth, since the fifth force is already
> spoken for) could be relevant to LENR relates to Takahashi's TSC theory, or
> a revised version of it. This involves a Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate .
> which, of course, has four vertices, or four active components - normally
> four deuterons. This is a very stable platonic solid form, and it can look
> very much like beryllium-8.
>
> This is sometimes called cluster fusion since more than two particles are
> involved. Four deuterons in the ultradense UDD state could react giving the
> fusion product or else the appearance of a 8Be atom which the Hungarians
> base everything on. If we want to go beyond Takahashi, fusion is NOT
> required -- merely the temporary formation of the tetrahedron, which has
> binding energy, followed by its energetic breakup back to deuterons -
> courtesy of the fifth force. Implied is asymmetry.
>
> That is one way to avoid the problem of lack of gamma radiation. Of course
> no one knows the expected ash, but if helium is found, then it is real
> cluster fusion - but this is highly unlikely IMO and otherwise, there would
> be a new type of gain based on 5th force dynamics.
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[Russ George]

Given that CERN and SLAC claim a 5 sigma signal is "PROOF" in their work the
10 sigma signal seen of this fifth force boson ought to count for something.
The 17mev is remarkably within the energy ball park for many here-to-fore
23mev cold fusion events. A really interesting bit is whether this new force
and exchange particle can accommodate neutrons and protons switching their
nature(s) inside of a nucleus, after all neutrons become protons by shedding
an electron/beta once outside the nucleus. In a quark bag model for the
atoms nucleus such a new force would be very apropos. Not-with-standing this
discovery there is still plenty of evidence for D+D to 4He in many cold
fusion modalities.

 

From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 11:09 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

 

Oops that post went out before it was edited and before the falsifiability
prediction could be made, which is just as well. That prediction was a bit
self-serving as it is already validated. Another will follow. hopefully with
better editing.

 

-

Imagine a previously unrecognized bosonic nuclear force, somewhat like a
gluon - but which has an associated force which is "protophobic" meaning
that it attracts and binds neutrons, and repels protons. By analogy - this
new force acts like a magnet for neutrons and a diamagnet for protons. 

The new force/particle has received little attention . and since we are
among the first to consider it in all its newfound glory, let's name it
"neuglu" for the obvious reasons. It has a lot of mass-energy - nearly 17
MeV, and possibly can provide the lost mass needed to account for the
thermal gain seen in LENR. 

The neuglu-boson is thus a range force which can arise between neutrons and
electrons or between small groups of low Z nuclei if the neutron alignment
is correct, since the above description of "protophobia" is eliminates it
from large nuclei. Even so, these groups must present exposed contact zones
of only neutrons, and possibly it adds stability. Plus, it is not easy to
account for why the neuglu boson has been completely unrecognized all these
years - but if SLAC says is so, then I am not going to argue with SLAC. 

To continue, if neuglu is real and it can act between exposed neutrons when
groups geometrically favorable, then it will be found in predictable
circumstances. Such a particle would carry a force that acts over distances
only several times the width of an atomic nucleus and could temporarily bind
atoms like deuterium ***without fusion*** into agglomerations which mimic
other atoms and provide excess energy on decay.

Now, imagine a cluster of four deuterons arranged in a tetrahedron, such
that all the four neutrons pointed inward to the focal point of the
arrangement, where the neuglu boson is spatially active. The four protons
point outward - giving a rather pronounced positive near field. We can call
this species beryllium-8, and it is short lived, but ironically the neuglu
may prohibit fusion. Yet, this isomer does not need to decay to alphas and
may instead sequentially form and reform from only UDD. 

Moreover, other neuglu bound nuclei are possible which are longer-lived,
including 10B, 12C, 14N, 16O. Thus - here is a prediction which will provide
some falsifiability to the premise that neuglu can bind deuterons in a way
that mimics low Z elements.

--

One way that the "fifth force" (or sixth, since the fifth force is already
spoken for) could be relevant to LENR relates to Takahashi's TSC theory, or
a revised version of it. This involves a Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate .
which, of course, has four vertices, or four active components - normally
four deuterons. This is a very stable platonic solid form, and it can look
very much like beryllium-8.

This is sometimes called cluster fusion since more than two particles are
involved. Four deuterons in the ultradense UDD state could react giving the
fusion product or else the appearance of a 8Be atom which the Hungarians
base everything on. If we want to go beyond Takahashi, fusion is NOT
required -- merely the temporary formation of the tetrahedron, which has
binding energy, followed by its energetic breakup back to deuterons -
courtesy of the fifth force. Implied is asymmetry.

That is one way to avoid the problem of lack of gamma radiation. Of course
no one knows the expected ash, but if helium is found, then it is real
cluster fusion - but this is highly unlikely IMO and otherwise, there would
be a new type of gain based on 5th force dynamics.

RE: [Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[Jones Beene]

Oops that post went out before it was edited and before the falsifiability
prediction could be made, which is just as well. That prediction was a bit
self-serving as it is already validated. Another will follow. hopefully with
better editing.

 

-

Imagine a previously unrecognized bosonic nuclear force, somewhat like a
gluon - but which has an associated force which is "protophobic" meaning
that it attracts and binds neutrons, and repels protons. By analogy - this
new force acts like a magnet for neutrons and a diamagnet for protons. 

The new force/particle has received little attention . and since we are
among the first to consider it in all its newfound glory, let's name it
"neuglu" for the obvious reasons. It has a lot of mass-energy - nearly 17
MeV, and possibly can provide the lost mass needed to account for the
thermal gain seen in LENR. 

The neuglu-boson is thus a range force which can arise between neutrons and
electrons or between small groups of low Z nuclei if the neutron alignment
is correct, since the above description of "protophobia" is eliminates it
from large nuclei. Even so, these groups must present exposed contact zones
of only neutrons, and possibly it adds stability. Plus, it is not easy to
account for why the neuglu boson has been completely unrecognized all these
years - but if SLAC says is so, then I am not going to argue with SLAC. 

To continue, if neuglu is real and it can act between exposed neutrons when
groups geometrically favorable, then it will be found in predictable
circumstances. Such a particle would carry a force that acts over distances
only several times the width of an atomic nucleus and could temporarily bind
atoms like deuterium ***without fusion*** into agglomerations which mimic
other atoms and provide excess energy on decay.

Now, imagine a cluster of four deuterons arranged in a tetrahedron, such
that all the four neutrons pointed inward to the focal point of the
arrangement, where the neuglu boson is spatially active. The four protons
point outward - giving a rather pronounced positive near field. We can call
this species beryllium-8, and it is short lived, but ironically the neuglu
may prohibit fusion. Yet, this isomer does not need to decay to alphas and
may instead sequentially form and reform from only UDD. 

Moreover, other neuglu bound nuclei are possible which are longer-lived,
including 10B, 12C, 14N, 16O. Thus - here is a prediction which will provide
some falsifiability to the premise that neuglu can bind deuterons in a way
that mimics low Z elements.

--

One way that the "fifth force" (or sixth, since the fifth force is already
spoken for) could be relevant to LENR relates to Takahashi's TSC theory, or
a revised version of it. This involves a Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate .
which, of course, has four vertices, or four active components - normally
four deuterons. This is a very stable platonic solid form, and it can look
very much like beryllium-8.

This is sometimes called cluster fusion since more than two particles are
involved. Four deuterons in the ultradense UDD state could react giving the
fusion product or else the appearance of a 8Be atom which the Hungarians
base everything on. If we want to go beyond Takahashi, fusion is NOT
required -- merely the temporary formation of the tetrahedron, which has
binding energy, followed by its energetic breakup back to deuterons -
courtesy of the fifth force. Implied is asymmetry.

That is one way to avoid the problem of lack of gamma radiation. Of course
no one knows the expected ash, but if helium is found, then it is real
cluster fusion - but this is highly unlikely IMO and otherwise, there would
be a new type of gain based on 5th force dynamics.

[Vo]:Neuglu - the newly discovered boson

[Jones Beene]

Imagine a previously unrecognized bosonic nuclear force, somewhat like a
gluon - but which has an associated force which is "protophobic" meaning
that it attracts and binds neutrons, and repels protons. By analogy - this
new force acts like a magnet for neutrons and a diamagnet for protons. 

The new force/particle has received little attention . and since we are
among the first to consider it in all its newfound glory, let's name it
"neuglu" for the obvious reasons. It has a lot of mass-energy - nearly 17
MeV, and possibly can provide the lost mass needed to account for the
thermal gain seen in LENR. 

The neuglu-boson is thus a range force which can arise between neutrons and
electrons or between small groups of low Z nuclei if the neutron alignment
is correct, since the above description of "protophobia" is eliminates it
from large nuclei. Even so, these groups must present exposed contact zones
of only neutrons, and possibly it adds stability. Plus, it is not easy to
account for why the neuglu boson has been completely unrecognized all these
years - but if SLAC says is so, then I am not going to argue with SLAC. 

To continue, if neuglu is real and it can act between exposed neutrons when
groups geometrically favorable, then it will be found in predictable
circumstances. Such a particle would carry a force that acts over distances
only several times the width of an atomic nucleus and could temporarily bind
atoms like deuterium ***without fusion*** into agglomerations which mimic
other atoms and provide excess energy on decay.

Now, imagine a cluster of four deuterons arranged in a tetrahedron, such
that all the four neutrons pointed inward to the focal point of the
arrangement, where the neuglu boson is spatially active. The four protons
point outward - giving a rather pronounced positive near field. We can call
this species beryllium-8, and it is short lived, but ironically the neuglu
may prohibit fusion. Yet, this isomer does not need to decay to alphas and
may instead sequentially form and reform from only UDD. 

Moreover, other neuglu bound nuclei are possible which are longer-lived,
including 10B, 12C, 14N, 16O. Thus - here is a prediction which will provide
some falsifiability to the premise that neuglu can bind deuterons in a way
that mimics low Z elements.


--
One way that the "fifth force" (or sixth, since the fifth force is already
spoken for) could be relevant to LENR relates to Takahashi's TSC theory, or
a revised version of it. This involves a Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate .
which, of course, has four vertices, or four active components - normally
four deuterons. This is a very stable platonic solid form, and it can look
very much like beryllium-8.

This is sometimes called cluster fusion since more than two particles are
involved. Four deuterons in the ultradense UDD state could react giving the
fusion product or else the appearance of a 8Be atom which the Hungarians
base everything on. If we want to go beyond Takahashi, fusion is NOT
required -- merely the temporary formation of the tetrahedron, which has
binding energy, followed by its energetic breakup back to deuterons -
courtesy of the fifth force. Implied is asymmetry.

That is one way to avoid the problem of lack of gamma radiation. Of course
no one knows the expected ash, but if helium is found, then it is real
cluster fusion - but this is highly unlikely IMO and otherwise, there would
be a new type of gain based on 5th force dynamics.