Re: [Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test
About the Yildiz engine - Interview with Dr. Duarte http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/03/23/651/about-the-yildiz-engine-interview-with-jorge-duarte/ ... You should understand that I’ve already participated in more than enough experiments with the machine; and all parts have been inspected [by me]. With this knowledge are the simple tentative explanations excluded. My insight after all these years, that scams with this invention are not possible, is obviously different from yours, because extraordinary results require extraordinary proof, with which conviction or belief play absolutely no role. It does give me a bit of pain that a fellow academic reproaches my speculation, because “In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual” (Galileo). Should I not dare to try a hypothesis (an educated guess) anymore in the company of academicians? Again, do not just take my word. “Evidence of hearsay” goes against the scientific protocol, and measurement results only count here. Incidentally, even without the machines fully open, its surprising observations made by third parties confirmed: no heat, aluminum parts that rotate around magnets without braking torque is developed, the lack of brushes, an abnormally large air gap, no expertise of the inventor of electronic circuits (so tricks in that area be ruled out). ...
Re: [Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:30:00 PM Maybe the fan method (blow air down a tube and measure the velocity) isn't as simple as it might seem : http://129.123.92.202/pubh5330/chap_12_Anemometers.pdf One would have to be very careful to traverse the duct, to make sure that there isn't laminar flow, where the velocity near the tube is much lower than at the center. Maybe insert a grid holding streamers, so that one can see at a glance if the flow varies much.
Re: [Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test
It would be great if machines of this type were capable of running on magnets. Call me old fashioned, but I must see a process that extracts energy from some source to be converted into the output energy. I would even accept a process that cools down the local environment as it extracts energy. As long as COE can be demonstrated to hold, I will give them the benefit of the doubt. With these minor requirements applied, how does this device operate and what is loosing energy as the motor runs? Dave -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:30 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test About the Yildiz engine - Interview with Dr. Duarte http://www.pureenergyblog.com/2013/03/23/651/about-the-yildiz-engine-interview-with-jorge-duarte/ ... You should understand that I’ve already participated in more than enough experiments with the machine; and all parts have been inspected [by me]. With this knowledge are the simple tentative explanations excluded. My insight after all these years, that scams with this invention are not possible, is obviously different from yours, because extraordinary results require extraordinary proof, with which conviction or belief play absolutely no role. It does give me a bit of pain that a fellow academic reproaches my speculation, because “In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual” (Galileo). Should I not dare to try a hypothesis (an educated guess) anymore in the company of academicians? Again, do not just take my word. “Evidence of hearsay” goes against the scientific protocol, and measurement results only count here. Incidentally, even without the machines fully open, its surprising observations made by third parties confirmed: no heat, aluminum parts that rotate around magnets without braking torque is developed, the lack of brushes, an abnormally large air gap, no expertise of the inventor of electronic circuits (so tricks in that area be ruled out). ...
Re: [Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test
At 01:35 PM 1/9/2013, Alan Fletcher wrote: Old news : Magnet motor demonstrated at Delft University (2010) http://pesn.com/2010/04/22/9501639_Yildiz_demonstrates_magnet_motor_at_Delft_University/ Doesn't run long enough to demonstrate non-fake, but broken down into fairly small sub-assemblies. BSMH-Yildiz' All-Magnet-Motor 30-Day University Test Pending http://pesn.com/2013/01/04/9602242_BSMH-Yildiz_All-Magnet-Motor_30-Day_University_Test_Pending/ Was originally planned as a 3-day test in a hotel room, now rescheduled as a 30-day test at Eindhoven U. Q and A on background http://pesn.com/2013/03/11/9602287_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor--Turning_to_Public_Instead_of_Universities_for_First_Major_Validation/ The (still un-named) University reneges on the terms. It was to be a black box test but now they insist on seeing the internals : ... The only thing that is needed to prove that the motor works is time running, powering a load, to show that no known technology could possibly provide that much power that could be contained in the size of the apparatus. That's all. They don't need to look inside. That's protected information and will be until a PCT patent can be filed. ... The one university at which he was supposed to begin a 30-day test in the middle of January, at first had agreed to the 'black box' terms that Yildiz had stipulated, but then changed the criteria and said they must look inside and measure the magnets before, during, and after. They forgot that their purpose isn't to scientifically document the minutia of the technology but just to validate that it works. ...
Re: [Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test
Insanity is not beyond academia, as we have tragically witnessed with the tyranny of theory over experiment in the history of LENR. However, this particular form of insanity is more interesting. Why, of they are willing to let experiment have its proper place, do they insist on interfering with the agreed-upon experimental protocol in such a way as to endanger the practicality of the experiment -- said practicality including the obvious issues of trade secrecy? No academic institution of the modern era can be that naive. Indeed, this is so incredibly naive of a modern academic institution that, otherwise, is engaged in rational empiricism, that it is probable that Yildiz is substantively misrepresenting the interaction, which throws the entirety of Yildiz's claims into additional suspicion. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 01:35 PM 1/9/2013, Alan Fletcher wrote: Old news : Magnet motor demonstrated at Delft University (2010) http://pesn.com/2010/04/22/9501639_Yildiz_demonstrates_magnet_motor_at_Delft_University/ Doesn't run long enough to demonstrate non-fake, but broken down into fairly small sub-assemblies. BSMH-Yildiz' All-Magnet-Motor 30-Day University Test Pending http://pesn.com/2013/01/04/9602242_BSMH-Yildiz_All-Magnet-Motor_30-Day_University_Test_Pending/ Was originally planned as a 3-day test in a hotel room, now rescheduled as a 30-day test at Eindhoven U. Q and A on background http://pesn.com/2013/03/11/9602287_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor--Turning_to_Public_Instead_of_Universities_for_First_Major_Validation/ The (still un-named) University reneges on the terms. It was to be a black box test but now they insist on seeing the internals : ... The only thing that is needed to prove that the motor works is time running, powering a load, to show that no known technology could possibly provide that much power that could be contained in the size of the apparatus. That's all. They don't need to look inside. That's protected information and will be until a PCT patent can be filed. ... The one university at which he was supposed to begin a 30-day testhttp://peswiki.com/index.php/Event:2013:Validating_Muammer_Yildiz%27_Magnet_Motor_for_30_Days_at_European_Universityin the middle of January, at first had agreed to the 'black box' terms that Yildiz had stipulated, but then changed the criteria and said they must look inside and measure the magnets before, during, and after. They forgot that their purpose isn't to scientifically document the minutia of the technology but just to validate that it works. ...
Re: [Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test
At 12:49 PM 3/14/2013, you wrote: Indeed, this is so incredibly naive of a modern academic institution that, otherwise, is engaged in rational empiricism, that it is probable that Yildiz is substantively misrepresenting the interaction, which throws the entirety of Yildiz's claims into additional suspicion. I don't think so he WAS going to set up a 3-day demo in a hotel room, then the University guy (I forget his name ... he wrote a paper on it) said no, let's do a 30-day trial in a magnetically shielded room. Now he's back to a public demo.
[Vo]:Peswiki : Yildiz / Turkish Magnetic Motor 30-day University Test
Old news : Magnet motor demonstrated at Delft University (2010) http://pesn.com/2010/04/22/9501639_Yildiz_demonstrates_magnet_motor_at_Delft_University/ Doesn't run long enough to demonstrate non-fake, but broken down into fairly small sub-assemblies. BSMH-Yildiz' All-Magnet-Motor 30-Day University Test Pending http://pesn.com/2013/01/04/9602242_BSMH-Yildiz_All-Magnet-Motor_30-Day_University_Test_Pending/ Was originally planned as a 3-day test in a hotel room, now rescheduled as a 30-day test at Eindhoven U. Q and A on background Assistant Professor Presents Scientific Model for Yildiz Magnet Motor http://pesn.com/2013/01/05/9602260_Assistant_Professor_Presents_Scientific_Model_for_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor/ Strong endorsement by Jorge L. Duarte, who is an Associate Professor of Electromechanics and Power Electronics at Eindhoven University of Technology. (I think he's seen the full internals under an NDA.) He also proposes a theory http://pesn.com/2013/01/05/9602260_Assistant_Professor_Presents_Scientific_Model_for_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor/ModelingYildizMotor_v01.pdf (Not that I really trust engineers with fundamental theories). Yildiz Tells the Story about His Magnet Motor http://pesn.com/2013/01/09/9602262_Yildiz_Tells_the_Story_About_His_Magnet_Motor/ Answers questions about his background (with scans of legal documents in German)indicating that one of his partners did the scamming, and he was fully exonerated. Home page, gallery of photos and videos http://www.bsmhturk.com/home.php/
