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Yeah, well, obviously Tom Darden wants to get there first then so his investment pays off. Why lie and say he doesn't care? It seems like such a blatantly false statement. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: If that statement were true, than Darden would take his chances with the US patent office and open up the IP for replication. That would not work. No one will develop cold fusion without IP protection. Consider this: it took roughly $1 billion to develop the Prius, which is an incremental improvement to automotive technology. It will probably take far more than that to go from where we are now to a practical device. No one will risk that kind of money knowing that after they develop the cold fusion generator, car, or other device, every other company will be free to take the core idea. This is similar to the reasons no one was willing to invest in the Transcontinental Railroad until Lincoln put in place government guarantees and subsidies. - Jed
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Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, well, obviously Tom Darden wants to get there first then so his investment pays off. Why is that obvious? Because of the so-called first mover advantage? The benefits of that are exaggerated. Comaq was not the first PC compatible but it made lot more money than any other for several years. IBM was the first in the PC market, but it sold out years ago, leaving HP and others. Ford was the first into mass-produced automobiles but GM soon came along and grabbed a large share of the business. In many cases, there an advantage in waiting to see how well other people do before you jump into the market. Japanese corporations took advantage of being behind the West from 1868 until around 1980. When they finally caught up, they actually did not do as well in some ways. It isn't as if one company wins and all the others lose. It isn't as if there is only one patent awarded. ATT got the first transistor patents, but many more have been issued since 1952, and they are still being issued. Heck, people spend hundreds of millions doing RD on combustion technology -- that's fire, the oldest technology. Why lie and say he doesn't care? It seems like such a blatantly false statement. It only seems blatantly false to someone who knows little about commerce and the history of business and technology. - Jed
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lol! Nice try, Jed.I applaud your contortions. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, well, obviously Tom Darden wants to get there first then so his investment pays off. Why is that obvious? Because of the so-called first mover advantage? The benefits of that are exaggerated. Comaq was not the first PC compatible but it made lot more money than any other for several years. IBM was the first in the PC market, but it sold out years ago, leaving HP and others. Ford was the first into mass-produced automobiles but GM soon came along and grabbed a large share of the business. In many cases, there an advantage in waiting to see how well other people do before you jump into the market. Japanese corporations took advantage of being behind the West from 1868 until around 1980. When they finally caught up, they actually did not do as well in some ways. It isn't as if one company wins and all the others lose. It isn't as if there is only one patent awarded. ATT got the first transistor patents, but many more have been issued since 1952, and they are still being issued. Heck, people spend hundreds of millions doing RD on combustion technology -- that's fire, the oldest technology. Why lie and say he doesn't care? It seems like such a blatantly false statement. It only seems blatantly false to someone who knows little about commerce and the history of business and technology. - Jed
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I think we can just be reasonable and assume that doesn't care does not mean that he may not prefer. And if her were pipped to the post by a day and a dollar it would frustrate. But in this case it means that if someone comes along notably sooner, or with a much better product he would be happy to see the benefits from this for humanity, and might be motivated by the competition. Doesn't care does not likely mean zero interest in personal gain but rather far more interested in the cause than the personal gain. Not putting selfish interest first is not that extraordinary, nor does it mean there are no selfish interests. But in the current climate it does seem extraordinary given the greed present. John On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: lol! Nice try, Jed.I applaud your contortions. On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, well, obviously Tom Darden wants to get there first then so his investment pays off. Why is that obvious? Because of the so-called first mover advantage? The benefits of that are exaggerated. Comaq was not the first PC compatible but it made lot more money than any other for several years. IBM was the first in the PC market, but it sold out years ago, leaving HP and others. Ford was the first into mass-produced automobiles but GM soon came along and grabbed a large share of the business. In many cases, there an advantage in waiting to see how well other people do before you jump into the market. Japanese corporations took advantage of being behind the West from 1868 until around 1980. When they finally caught up, they actually did not do as well in some ways. It isn't as if one company wins and all the others lose. It isn't as if there is only one patent awarded. ATT got the first transistor patents, but many more have been issued since 1952, and they are still being issued. Heck, people spend hundreds of millions doing RD on combustion technology -- that's fire, the oldest technology. Why lie and say he doesn't care? It seems like such a blatantly false statement. It only seems blatantly false to someone who knows little about commerce and the history of business and technology. - Jed
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From: Blaze Spinnaker http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2014/10/raleigh-investor-darden-still-bullish-on.html?page=all * I was re-reading this, and I strongly agree with one of the comments….“I don’t care who gets there first, how it happens,” he says. “I just want to see it happen.” …The statement is either a total misquote or a complete lie, and therefore undermines the credibility of Tom Darden in a huge way. No way ! You have this interpretation all wrong. This statement is fully consistent with a commendable executive – one with both a high level of social conscience and at the same time, a strong belief that he can do it better than the competition; so he welcomes them to join him to push the field forward … but if he cannot do it better – he wants society to benefit over investors. I find this admirable. After all, he must realize that Randell Mills has a 20 year head start and is better funded, and is not burdened with a nutty inventor.
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I don't care who gets there first. Not sure how you can possibly interpret that any other way. Obviously he wants to be first otherwise he'd give away the IP. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Blaze Spinnaker *http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2014/10/raleigh-investor-darden-still-bullish-on.html?page=all* http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2014/10/raleigh-investor-darden-still-bullish-on.html?page=all Ø I was re-reading this, and I strongly agree with one of the comments….“I don’t care who gets there first, how it happens,” he says. “I just want to see it happen.” …The statement is either a total misquote or a complete lie, and therefore undermines the credibility of Tom Darden in a huge way. No way ! You have this interpretation all wrong. This statement is fully consistent with a commendable executive – one with both a high level of social conscience and at the same time, a strong belief that he can do it better than the competition; so he welcomes them to join him to push the field forward … but if he cannot do it better – he wants society to benefit over investors. I find this admirable. After all, he must realize that Randell Mills has a 20 year head start and is better funded, and is not burdened with a nutty inventor.
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Or at the very least, he'd trust / take a chance that the patent office will give him a patent. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: I don't care who gets there first. Not sure how you can possibly interpret that any other way. Obviously he wants to be first otherwise he'd give away the IP. On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: *From:* Blaze Spinnaker *http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2014/10/raleigh-investor-darden-still-bullish-on.html?page=all* http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2014/10/raleigh-investor-darden-still-bullish-on.html?page=all Ø I was re-reading this, and I strongly agree with one of the comments….“I don’t care who gets there first, how it happens,” he says. “I just want to see it happen.” …The statement is either a total misquote or a complete lie, and therefore undermines the credibility of Tom Darden in a huge way. No way ! You have this interpretation all wrong. This statement is fully consistent with a commendable executive – one with both a high level of social conscience and at the same time, a strong belief that he can do it better than the competition; so he welcomes them to join him to push the field forward … but if he cannot do it better – he wants society to benefit over investors. I find this admirable. After all, he must realize that Randell Mills has a 20 year head start and is better funded, and is not burdened with a nutty inventor.
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goal of a patent is not only to prevent others to copy your technology, but mostly to prevent competitors to use your own technology. patent don't work very well, but their main effect is that some patent troll can block real innovators. this is why people like amazon patent thinks like photo of goods on white background... just to prevent a troll to do it. note also that it was observed that weakly patenting your product is a good tactic to push competitors to copy you, while protecting your IP is found to push them to innovate... Farewell, the soviet spy who killed USSR spying industry reported that USSR was so industrially pumping western IP that the scientist and engineers were furious and discouraged. they had very good scientists, motivated, and who develope very innovative solutions, because of their different situation... but their solutions were ignored, prefered to copying the west. anyway, give a price to 10% of planet GDP and imagine how rich can be Darden... and imagine that the difference will be what others people will gaine... it is not even a tip to the guy who took the risk. if you want to make entrepreneur be sure not to benefit from their risk taken, be sure you will have people whose dream is to be a bureaucrat in DoE. See how our mentality evolved in France... given what we did in the past in science, entrepreneurship... the system of incentive make the mentality of the population. kill the reward, you kill the risk taking. What Darden says, is totally synchronous with LENR-Cities founder position... there is not enough mouth to eat the cake of LENr revolution, so who cares who bite the first... their belly will be full. 2014-10-20 15:09 GMT+02:00 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com: http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2014/10/raleigh-investor-darden-still-bullish-on.html?page=all I was re-reading this, and I strongly agree with one of the comments. “I don’t care who gets there first, how it happens,” he says. “I just want to see it happen.” The statement is either a total misquote or a complete lie, and therefore undermines the credibility of Tom Darden in a huge way. If that statement were true, than Darden would take his chances with the US patent office and open up the IP for replication.
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Of course Darden's statement is what it is supposed to be. I am sure he is constantly trying to handle his golden goose. That is a rather taxing job I am sure. Like always the patent problem is huge. There is no protection in any patent if you have not:: 1. Enough capital and time (manpower) to defend and persuade your unique rights. 2. Your patent covers every thinkable angel and prevent that someone can circumvent the patent. When reading the comments on Vortex I find that way too much energy is spent on to criticize the test and to ind out, what is going to happen on the commercialization of LENR. The Pomps of this world can work on the doubts. I am sure that is not a problem for either Darden or Rossi. I am also convinced that Darden has enough information that he is not willing to terminate his efforts to bring e-cat to market.I hope his assessment is right. I even believe so. I am fine with a very low COP. I think engineering will take it to where it needs to be. Time is uncertain.In this forum we often compare to the Wright brothers and the lack of acceptance. I believe people was saying similar things. Yes, it works for 75 meters and perhaps it was down wind so they were actually sailing. If I had the funds and the knowledge I would not hesitate to take all the information available and make soem random but informed guesses how to improve the little we know. Age is another factor - yes!:) To me Bleriot was more famous for his flying than Wilbur Wright. Such an opportunity. I hope it holds water all the way. Best Regards , Lennart Thornros www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com lenn...@thornros.com +1 916 436 1899 202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648 “Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: goal of a patent is not only to prevent others to copy your technology, but mostly to prevent competitors to use your own technology. patent don't work very well, but their main effect is that some patent troll can block real innovators. this is why people like amazon patent thinks like photo of goods on white background... just to prevent a troll to do it. note also that it was observed that weakly patenting your product is a good tactic to push competitors to copy you, while protecting your IP is found to push them to innovate... Farewell, the soviet spy who killed USSR spying industry reported that USSR was so industrially pumping western IP that the scientist and engineers were furious and discouraged. they had very good scientists, motivated, and who develope very innovative solutions, because of their different situation... but their solutions were ignored, prefered to copying the west. anyway, give a price to 10% of planet GDP and imagine how rich can be Darden... and imagine that the difference will be what others people will gaine... it is not even a tip to the guy who took the risk. if you want to make entrepreneur be sure not to benefit from their risk taken, be sure you will have people whose dream is to be a bureaucrat in DoE. See how our mentality evolved in France... given what we did in the past in science, entrepreneurship... the system of incentive make the mentality of the population. kill the reward, you kill the risk taking. What Darden says, is totally synchronous with LENR-Cities founder position... there is not enough mouth to eat the cake of LENr revolution, so who cares who bite the first... their belly will be full. 2014-10-20 15:09 GMT+02:00 Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com: http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/techflash/2014/10/raleigh-investor-darden-still-bullish-on.html?page=all I was re-reading this, and I strongly agree with one of the comments. “I don’t care who gets there first, how it happens,” he says. “I just want to see it happen.” The statement is either a total misquote or a complete lie, and therefore undermines the credibility of Tom Darden in a huge way. If that statement were true, than Darden would take his chances with the US patent office and open up the IP for replication.
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Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: If that statement were true, than Darden would take his chances with the US patent office and open up the IP for replication. That would not work. No one will develop cold fusion without IP protection. Consider this: it took roughly $1 billion to develop the Prius, which is an incremental improvement to automotive technology. It will probably take far more than that to go from where we are now to a practical device. No one will risk that kind of money knowing that after they develop the cold fusion generator, car, or other device, every other company will be free to take the core idea. This is similar to the reasons no one was willing to invest in the Transcontinental Railroad until Lincoln put in place government guarantees and subsidies. - Jed
