Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] "Το ΒΗΜΑ-science" article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)

2012-12-04 Thread David Roberson
That is the conclusion that I have drawn as well Axil.  DGT apparently has 
decided that their reaction depends upon ionized hydrogen which is obtained by 
the spark gap.  Why they then believe that the bare proton captures an electron 
to become a Rydberg atom that then reacts is difficult to understand.  Even if 
it did enter an elongated ellipsoid pattern it is not possible to assign the 
location of the electron to an exact place near the proton for any finite 
period of time.  Quantum theory does not suggest that the electron is actually 
in some time domain orbit, but exists in the position near the proton as a 
probability function.


It would be easier for me to believe that the bare proton is accelerated by the 
positive gap voltage until it collides with some nickel powder.  This behavior 
would resemble hot fusion if enough energy were to be imparted, but 30 thousand 
electron volts would appear inadequate.  A strange thought occurred to me.  
What if the high speed raw proton induced an electron on the surface of the 
nickel powder to align directly into its path?  The changing electric field 
arising from the proton would tend to focus tighter and tighter as it reaches 
the nickel surface.  I am not sure of how quantum mechanics would treat such an 
aligned proton-electron pair, but perhaps there is a period of time during 
which they become extremely close due to mutual attraction.  The momentum of 
the proton would ensure that the pair continued forward into the nickel matrix 
since the pair would act in the manner of a neutron.  I can envision that the 
pair might collide with a nickel nucleus and fuse.


>From an external point of view this would very much appear like an electron 
>capture event and the energy released by the fusion would be more than enough 
>to supply that required for the process.


If such a process were possible, it would be extremely easy to control since a 
source of high speed protons is required.  DGT is generating these with the 
high voltage spark and the number released can be accurately controlled.


Dave



-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 9:13 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] "Το ΒΗΜΑ-science" 
article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)


Regarding this statement in the PDF file foundon the DGT website as follows:
“The third way was the one we found: to “make the mountain disappear" for a 
very short time." We succeeded by disguising protons in neutrons via 
stimulation of nickel in Rydberg form. In this form the trajectory of the 
electron is elongated elliptically, so that at its "perihelion" the system 
appears as a neutron and not as “the mountain in-between". Thereafter, we cause 
fusion by applying magnetic fields and pressure". 

Defkalion Green Technologies states that their Hyperion LENR reactor cores 
contain ordinary H2 hydrogen gas, nickel powder, and proprietary materials and 
structures to aid in the reaction. Simple resistance heating elements are 
turned on to excite the hydrogen gas. The naturally occurring H2 atoms are 
further excited by bursts of electrical discharges via a spark plug-like device 
which breaks the H2 into H1 gas and transforms H1 atoms into Rydberg State 
Hydrogen(RSH) atoms, which have very large, often elliptical electron (cloud) 
orbits. The excited RSH hydrogen atoms are then squeezed into the nickel atom 
latticework. 
"For a brief period of around 10 -13th second, each RSH proton is very close to 
its electron. Then the RSH nuclei is a masqueraded neutron. As a result, 
Coulomb forces between such nuclei are almost zero during this short time 
window." 
The resulting reaction releases gamma rays and light which are absorbed inside 
the reactor to produce heat.

To the best of my understanding, the orbit of the lone electron in the excited 
Rydberg State Hydrogen(RSH) atom becomes circular as the angular momentum of 
that electron is increased by its increasing excitation.
This orbital behavior of this lone excited hydrogen electron speaks against the 
hydrogen atom as a neutron like quasiparticle which is DGT claims to be that 
root cause of nickel hydrogen fusion.
I believe that DGT does not yet understand in detail what is happening inside 
their reaction.
 
Cheers:Axil


On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax  wrote:
 

What if NiH heat is not nuclear at all? What if it's hydrinos? (Chemical, just 
an unexpected form of chemistry, though hydrinos *also* might catalyze fusion . 
. .


Okay that's possible I suppose. We could test that hypothesis if Mills would 
tell us what the upper limits of energy release is per mole of hydrogen. Years 
ago I asked him and got some confusing responses.


- Jed






 


[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] "Το ΒΗΜΑ-science" article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)

2012-12-04 Thread Axil Axil
Regarding this statement in the PDF file foundon the DGT website as follows:

“The third way was the one we found: to “make the mountain disappear" for a
very short time." We succeeded by disguising protons in neutrons via
stimulation of nickel in Rydberg form. In this form the trajectory of the
electron is elongated elliptically, so that at its "perihelion" the system
appears as a neutron and not as “the mountain in-between". Thereafter, we
cause fusion by applying magnetic fields and pressure".


Defkalion Green Technologies states that their Hyperion LENR reactor cores
contain ordinary H2 hydrogen gas, nickel powder, and proprietary materials
and structures to aid in the reaction. Simple resistance heating elements
are turned on to excite the hydrogen gas. The naturally occurring H2 atoms
are further excited by bursts of electrical discharges via a spark
plug-like device which breaks the H2 into H1 gas and transforms H1 atoms
into Rydberg State Hydrogen(RSH) atoms, which have very large, often
elliptical electron (cloud) orbits. The excited RSH hydrogen atoms are then
squeezed into the nickel atom latticework.

"For a brief period of around 10 -13th second, each RSH proton is very
close to its electron. Then the RSH nuclei is a masqueraded neutron. As a
result, Coulomb forces between such nuclei are almost zero during this
short time window."

The resulting reaction releases gamma rays and light which are absorbed
inside the reactor to produce heat.


To the best of my understanding, the orbit of the lone electron in the
excited Rydberg State Hydrogen(RSH) atom becomes circular as the angular
momentum of that electron is increased by its increasing excitation.

This orbital behavior of this lone excited hydrogen electron speaks against
the hydrogen atom as a neutron like quasiparticle which is DGT claims to be
that root cause of nickel hydrogen fusion.

I believe that DGT does not yet understand in detail what is happening
inside their reaction.



Cheers:Axil

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Abd ul-Rahman Lomax  wrote:
>
>
>> What if NiH heat is not nuclear at all? What if it's hydrinos? (Chemical,
>> just an unexpected form of chemistry, though hydrinos *also* might catalyze
>> fusion . . .
>
>
> Okay that's possible I suppose. We could test that hypothesis if Mills
> would tell us what the upper limits of energy release is per mole of
> hydrogen. Years ago I asked him and got some confusing responses.
>
> - Jed
>
>


[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] "Το ΒΗΜΑ-science" article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)

2012-12-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax  wrote:


> What if NiH heat is not nuclear at all? What if it's hydrinos? (Chemical,
> just an unexpected form of chemistry, though hydrinos *also* might catalyze
> fusion . . .


Okay that's possible I suppose. We could test that hypothesis if Mills
would tell us what the upper limits of energy release is per mole of
hydrogen. Years ago I asked him and got some confusing responses.

- Jed


[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:[Defkalion GT] "Το ΒΗΜΑ-science" article of December 2nd, 2012 (in English)

2012-12-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> This article at DGT says:
>
> "we are not talking about nuclear energy but chemical energy derived from
> transmutation."
>
> That does not make a damn bit of sense. It is contradictory.

I  understand their reticence to use the phrase "nuclear reaction".
Do you recall Peter's article:

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2012/08/defkalion-says-heni-is-more-proper-name.html

I must agree that it is really not fusion and it is almost chemical.
For a brief period of time, the polarized H atom in a high energy
state looks like a neutron.  It is a new kind of reaction and HENI is
as good a name as any.  Or maybe CANR or CANI.  ;-)