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noone noone wrote: I think the NRC can try, but it will not last long. I am a bit more concerned about the powers that be trying to tax the energy produced to high heaven. It would be difficult to do this, because the energy will eventually be generated on site by small machines. To tax it you would have to meter it, and meters can always be disabled. People occasionally reset odometers in automobiles to enhance the resale value of a used car. This is against the law. They do not do this often because there's not much point to it; it does not increase resale value much. On the other hand, when the odometer breaks people seldom bother to fix it. I'm sure that if the government started taxing heat and electricity from home generators, millions of consumers would cut a few wires or download a patch for the control electronics computer to report false readings. The government would soon find this untenable. (I have thought about stuff like this!) - Jed
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Hello Jed, First of all, I would personally like to thank you for being a voice of reason on this forum. My concern is that energy is taxed heavily right now, and the powers that be will try to find some way to make up for the lost revenue. I think there are many ways they could go about this. Here are a few possibilities. 1) They could try to put a tax on every E-Cat unit sold. For example, they could claim the energy savings are so great having an E-Cat to provide electricity, heat in winter, and hot water that a 90% sales tax on units would be acceptable. Their argument would be, The average family of four will save ten thousand dollars in the first five years of owning an E-Cat unit. After that, their energy costs will be near zero. Due to this, a $4,500 dollar tax on a $5,000 dollar unit is acceptable. 2) They could try to tax every vehicle that uses the E-Cat. They could state, Since we are losing revenue from taxes on gasoline, we will need to add an upfront tax on every E-Cat powered vehicle. Otherwise, we will not be able to pay to maintain the roads. What is even more scary than an upfront tax, would be if they demanded some sort of GPS tracking device on every vehicle monitoring the miles driven, and hence the energy consumed! Consumers could then get a bill in the mail for lets say $1.00 for every mile driven. 3) They could add an extra tax on every electric bill. Although I think home based E-Cats will be sold, the power grid will probably be augmented with E-Cat units. Although the price of the electricity could go down, the government might step in and use that as an excuse to raise taxes. You could end up paying a special E-Cat tax per kilowatt hour of power consumed. I really do hope you are right, and the government will not try to tax the energy produced by E-Cats. However, with an increasingly out of control government I think they will at least try. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 6:51:50 AM Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Steam hotter than 110 °C / Internal heater noone noone wrote: I think the NRC can try, but it will not last long. I am a bit more concerned about the powers that be trying to tax the energy produced to high heaven. It would be difficult to do this, because the energy will eventually be generated on site by small machines. To tax it you would have to meter it, and meters can always be disabled. People occasionally reset odometers in automobiles to enhance the resale value of a used car. This is against the law. They do not do this often because there's not much point to it; it does not increase resale value much. On the other hand, when the odometer breaks people seldom bother to fix it. I'm sure that if the government started taxing heat and electricity from home generators, millions of consumers would cut a few wires or download a patch for the control electronics computer to report false readings. The government would soon find this untenable. (I have thought about stuff like this!) - Jed
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The money saved by not being at all involved in the midEast, reduced military expenses, oil, wind, solar subsidies, nuclear regulatiory agency, and anti pollution efforts will more than make up for the loss of fuel taxes, but the gov't will find a way anyway -- hence the home made E-Cat business will thrive. -Original Message- From: noone noone [mailto:thesteornpa...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 7:44 AM My concern is that energy is taxed heavily right now, and the powers that be will try to find some way to make up for the lost revenue. I think there are many ways they could go about this. Here are a few possibilities. 1) They could try to put a tax on every E-Cat unit sold. For example, they could claim the energy savings are so great having an E-Cat to provide electricity, heat in winter, and hot water that a 90% sales tax on units would be acceptable. Their argument would be, The average family of four will save ten thousand dollars in the first five years of owning an E-Cat unit. After that, their energy costs will be near zero. Due to this, a $4,500 dollar tax on a $5,000 dollar unit is acceptable. 2) They could try to tax every vehicle that uses the E-Cat. They could state, Since we are losing revenue from taxes on gasoline, we will need to add an upfront tax on every E-Cat powered vehicle. Otherwise, we will not be able to pay to maintain the roads. What is even more scary than an upfront tax, would be if they demanded some sort of GPS tracking device on every vehicle monitoring the miles driven, and hence the energy consumed! Consumers could then get a bill in the mail for lets say $1.00 for every mile driven. 3) They could add an extra tax on every electric bill. Although I think home based E-Cats will be sold, the power grid will probably be augmented with E-Cat units. Although the price of the electricity could go down, the government might step in and use that as an excuse to raise taxes. You could end up paying a special E-Cat tax per kilowatt hour of power consumed. I really do hope you are right, and the government will not try to tax the energy produced by E-Cats. However, with an increasingly out of control government I think they will at least try. -- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, May 10, 2011 6:51:50 AM Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Steam hotter than 110 °C / Internal heater noone noone wrote: I think the NRC can try, but it will not last long. I am a bit more concerned about the powers that be trying to tax the energy produced to high heaven. It would be difficult to do this, because the energy will eventually be generated on site by small machines. To tax it you would have to meter it, and meters can always be disabled. People occasionally reset odometers in automobiles to enhance the resale value of a used car. This is against the law. They do not do this often because there's not much point to it; it does not increase resale value much. On the other hand, when the odometer breaks people seldom bother to fix it. I'm sure that if the government started taxing heat and electricity from home generators, millions of consumers would cut a few wires or download a patch for the control electronics computer to report false readings. The government would soon find this untenable. (I have thought about stuff like this!) - Jed
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In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 10 May 2011 09:51:50 -0400: Hi, [snip] ... besides, I suspect that any government trying to do this would find that their reign only lasted until the next election, at which point they would be replaced by whichever party promised to repeal the tax. :) It would be difficult to do this, because the energy will eventually be generated on site by small machines. To tax it you would have to meter it, and meters can always be disabled. People occasionally reset odometers in automobiles to enhance the resale value of a used car. This is against the law. They do not do this often because there's not much point to it; it does not increase resale value much. On the other hand, when the odometer breaks people seldom bother to fix it. I'm sure that if the government started taxing heat and electricity from home generators, millions of consumers would cut a few wires or download a patch for the control electronics computer to report false readings. The government would soon find this untenable. (I have thought about stuff like this!) - Jed Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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Adding in pre-application time with licensing certification period for the NRC review of a new reactor certification is 7-20+ years ... http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/02/nrc-has-four-certified-nuclear-reactor.html Heck, it will take a first decade to get the science down and the NRC to even start taking apps. Especially after Japan, no regulator will want to sign on the dotted line. So, that is why he wants to get these big water heaters out quickly, once regulators latch on, the gig is up. - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 6:03 PM Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Steam hotter than 110 °C / Internal heater These are important points, and I agree with everything here, except -- as I said -- the last line: By the time anyone gets to making electricity or home heating units, it will be so deep in NRC regulation that it may take decades to see the light of day. Oh come now. Every company in every country will rush to make these things. The Pentagon will understand that without this technology, the U.S. can be defeated by Lichtenstein. There is no chance the NRC can hold back this technology. - Jed
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I think the NRC can try, but it will not last long. I am a bit more concerned about the powers that be trying to tax the energy produced to high heaven. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, May 9, 2011 4:03:38 PM Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Steam hotter than 110 °C / Internal heater These are important points, and I agree with everything here, except -- as I said -- the last line: By the time anyone gets to making electricity or home heating units, it will be so deep in NRC regulation that it may take decades to see the light of day. Oh come now. Every company in every country will rush to make these things. The Pentagon will understand that without this technology, the U.S. can be defeated by Lichtenstein. There is no chance the NRC can hold back this technology. - Jed
