Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills - Mathcad - table.pdf
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 5 Jul 2015 22:38:39 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Regardless, great effort is required to bring the H atoms in proximity to >the catalysts in Rande's containers for the energy transferring collision >to occur. Which is exactly why we are only talking about a weak x-ray line, and not an all engulfing flood of x-radiation. >And these catalytic atoms did not exist in the nascent universe, >only after they had formed in the hearts of stars and the space was vast >and cold. Catalyst atoms, in general, existed as soon as Hydrogen atoms came on the scene. Of course, there wasn't any water, but then you don't know that there were any 3.55 keV x-ray lines then either. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills - Mathcad - table.pdf
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 10:28 PM, wrote: > In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 05 Jul 2015 21:37:24 -0400: > Hi Terry, > [snip] > >I just seems improbable that all those H atoms could have had so many > collisions to account for most of all matter. Space is rather large I hear. > > I assume by "most of all matter" you are referring to "dark matter". > > In short, what I proposed doesn't account for all of dark matter. It > accounts > for a 3.55 keV x-ray line. If you read my latest posts carefully, you could > extract that. > Most of dark matter is probably other hydrinos that haven't shrunk that far > (&/or perhaps thin cold plasma? - Which, BTW, might also contribute to red > shift.) > > Regardless, great effort is required to bring the H atoms in proximity to the catalysts in Rande's containers for the energy transferring collision to occur. And these catalytic atoms did not exist in the nascent universe, only after they had formed in the hearts of stars and the space was vast and cold. I may be hand-waving but only to acknowledge signals from Rande.
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills - Mathcad - table.pdf
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 05 Jul 2015 21:37:24 -0400: Hi Terry, [snip] >I just seems improbable that all those H atoms could have had so many >collisions to account for most of all matter. Space is rather large I hear. I assume by "most of all matter" you are referring to "dark matter". In short, what I proposed doesn't account for all of dark matter. It accounts for a 3.55 keV x-ray line. If you read my latest posts carefully, you could extract that. Most of dark matter is probably other hydrinos that haven't shrunk that far (&/or perhaps thin cold plasma? - Which, BTW, might also contribute to red shift.) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills - Mathcad - table.pdf
I just seems improbable that all those H atoms could have had so many collisions to account for most of all matter. Space is rather large I hear. Space," it says, "is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly hugely mindboggingly big it is. I mean you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. Douglas Adams The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: mix...@bigpond.com To: Subject: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills - Mathcad - table.pdf Date: Sun, Jul 5, 2015 5:52 PM If you think this is all a bit far fetched, perhaps you can point out the hole in the chain of reasoning?
Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills - Mathcad - table.pdf
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Sat, 4 Jul 2015 21:53:20 -0700: Hi Bob, No, I wasn't joking. I was dead serious. Mills "Suncell" (his latest and greatest effort), is based on water as a catalyst. However the water has to be in mono-molecular form, not vapor (dimer), nor liquid water (hydrogen bonds). Individual water molecules are likely to be common throughout the universe, because Hydrogen is the most common element in the universe, and Oxygen is a byproduct of the carbon cycle in stars, which is also very common. As for disproportionation, Mills himself claims this is common in space (see his book). (In disproportionation reactions one Hydrino may become ionized while acting as the catalyst to shrink another.) Note that this process would explain a 3.55 keV signal, but doesn't necessarily mean that that signal represents (all) dark matter. The only reason that it has been considered as doing so is that there were two "loose ends" to deal with, so it was natural to "tie them together". If you think this is all a bit far fetched, perhaps you can point out the hole in the chain of reasoning? >Robin-- > >I am reluctant to think you are joking about dispropotionation reactions for >hydrinos and catalysis of hydrinos and regular hydrogen by water, but >that crossed my mind. ( : > >Bob [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills - Mathcad - table.pdf
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook Robin-- > I am reluctant to think you are joking about disproportionation reactions for hydrinos and catalysis of hydrinos and regular hydrogen by water, but that crossed my mind. ( : LOL... Randell Mills theory does strange things to the mind ...
[Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills - Mathcad - table.pdf
Robin-- I am reluctant to think you are joking about dispropotionation reactions for hydrinos and catalysis of hydrinos and regular hydrogen by water, but that crossed my mind. ( : Bob -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 8:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fractional Hydrogen without Millstion - Mathcad - table.pdf In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 4 Jul 2015 19:47:40 -0700: Hi Jones, [snip] Ok, I found the reason. It lies in the disproportionation reactions. If you start with a mixture of p = 16 & p = 4, you get:- (16^2)/2 + 4 = 132. (Formula derivation available on request). Note that water molecules are an m=3 catalyst, so interstellar water molecules reacting with Hydrogen atoms will create p = 4 hydrinos in a single reaction. This provides a relatively large population of p = 4 hydrinos. p = 16 is special because the Hydrinohydride for p = 16, has the highest binding energy for the second electron (70 eV), so obviously this hydride is going to be the most stable, which means that as hydrinos shrink, they will tend to get stuck at this level, and thus p=16 hydrinos will accumulate (as the hydride). This provides a large population of p = 16 hydrinos. When members of both populations mix, you get p=132 hydrinos. -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Guessing that the observed value might match a different transition, I created a little table for p = 120-136 ...As you can see, p=132->133 is a good match Interesting. Nothing obvious pops up at first glance - as to why this 132/133 level would be favored for dark matter. However, reading up on x-ray spectra in this energy range, there is almost nothing else in physics known to have much relevance. So we can relegate this datum into the archive and maybe something pops up in a few months or years ... Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
