Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
Hi, It seems to me that Wikipedia will meets it's own dambuster. The wait is for someone to drop the "bouncing balls" in the lake of the wikidam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_Wallis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._617_Squadron_RAF On 14-9-2012 22:16, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is why I say trying to reform Wikipedia is a waste of time. Regarding that analogy, of a dam starting to break, I may have mentioned this here before . . . _Spoiler Alert_ This clip from the movie "Force 10 From Navarone" shows how I hope things will work out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxYur1sqnK4 B.t.w. Not a Spoiler to me; it's a classic movie, which people already should know by now. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
Hi, It seems to me that Wikipedia will meets it's own damburster. The wait is for someone to drop the "bouncing balls" in the lake of the wikidam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnes_Wallis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._617_Squadron_RAF On 14-9-2012 22:16, Jed Rothwell wrote: This is why I say trying to reform Wikipedia is a waste of time. Regarding that analogy, of a dam starting to break, I may have mentioned this here before . . . _Spoiler Alert_ This clip from the movie "Force 10 From Navarone" shows how I hope things will work out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxYur1sqnK4 B.t.w. Not a Spoiler to me; it's a classic movie, which people already should know by now. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
Just propose the admin a bet : "If you are so sure that LENR is false, bet your "administrative Tenure" on tha fact that LENR is false... If it became true, you are fired. In exchange I remove my edit. If I'm proved wrong, with I'm fired or if you can safely fear that LENR is true, just accept the controversies"... and you can add to frighten him: "anyway if you are proven wrong soon, and you refuse to bet, I will ask your revokation for bias" but are they anonymous ? 2012/9/14 James Bowery > On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> Alan J Fletcher wrote: >> >>> >>> I put a summary up on the wiki. I doubt that it will survive editing. >>> >>> Deleted already. >>> >> Just out of curiosity, how long did it take them to delete this? They >> stay on their toes! >> > > 2 minutes: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Energy_Catalyzer&oldid=512455124 >
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > I warned them in Talk that there was a wired article : 17:52 > Edited the lede : 18:18 > Deleted : 18:20 > > 2 minutes!!! > That's hysterical. I suppose Wikipedia has some kind of alert system to tell people a document has been changed, so it is not like they watching in real time. Still, they need to get a life! This is why I say trying to reform Wikipedia is a waste of time. Anyway, the Internet is finite but unbounded so we can prevail without Wikipedia. We don't need to "win all the Internets" -- as the mod expression goes. We need a barrel of m-o-n-e-y for R&D. We don't need every mass media news outlet. I think there is more money coming in. I sense things are loosening up. The dam is starting to crack. Regarding that analogy, of a dam starting to break, I may have mentioned this here before . . . *Spoiler Alert* This clip from the movie "Force 10 From Navarone" shows how I hope things will work out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxYur1sqnK4 This is the end of the movie, so it is a plot spoiler. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
I do hope someone like the esteemed Mr. Lomax is documenting this Wiki editing behavior. I think a book discussing the pros & cons of the Wikipedia philosophy would make for a fascinating educational analysis. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article / Wiki
At 12:47 PM 9/14/2012, James Bowery wrote: 2 minutes: I've got to learn to scroll before I post. btw The Lede currently ends with an extended quoted from Ugo Bardi (From March) Professor Ugo Bardi of the University of Florence, noting contradictory claims made by Rossi regarding the emission or non-emission of Gamma radiation, the location of a supposed factory in Florida, or not in the United States at all and the fact that some of his supporters are apparently deserting him, said "...the E-Cat has reached the end of the line. It still maintains some faithful supporters, but, most likely, it will soon fade away in the darkness of pathological science, where it belongs". http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.it/2012/03/sinking-of-e-cat.html I managed to change "some of his most vehement supporters" to "some of his supporters" -- but when I pointed out that some of the supposed deserters had rejoined I was accused of doing "original research". My summary of Wired .. which I put after the Bardi quote was : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Energy_Catalyzer&diff=512454940&oldid=512429729 In a 14 September 2012 article in Wired UK David Hambling reviews the current situation of the E-Cat and of LENR in general. He draws attention to reports made by Rossi at a convention in Zurich concerning a new, prototype "hot" E-Cat, and to the fact that some investors have withdrawn because they could not replicate Rossi's results of that prototype. He quotes Sterling Allen as reporting that a 1MW E-Cat to be delivered in the next few months may be available for inspection. He continues by reviewing the status of other potential competitors of the E-Cat, and describes some encouraging results from a recent "Cold Fusion" conference in Korea. Finally, he notes that "The field is looking less like the domain of tinkering eccentrics; increasingly it seems to be getting taken seriously as a business proposition.", and quotes a NASA/Boeing study as concluding that "LENR technology is potentially game-changing to not just aviation, but the worldwide energy mix as well. This technology should be followed to determine feasibility and potential performance."
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
>From James: >> Just out of curiosity, how long did it take them to delete this? They stay >> on their toes! > > 2 minutes: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Energy_Catalyzer&oldid=512455124 Wow! That's just amazing! What dedication! CSICOP should take notes. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
At 12:31 PM 9/14/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote: Like I sez, you got no business in Wikipedia. I mean, what? -- are you asking to be collapsed and arbitrated? Just out of curiosity, how long did it take them to delete this? They stay on their toes! I warned them in Talk that there was a wired article : 17:52 Edited the lede : 18:18 Deleted : 18:20 2 minutes!!!
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Alan J Fletcher wrote: > >> >> I put a summary up on the wiki. I doubt that it will survive editing. >>> >> >> Deleted already. >> > Just out of curiosity, how long did it take them to delete this? They stay > on their toes! > 2 minutes: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Energy_Catalyzer&oldid=512455124
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > I put a summary up on the wiki. I doubt that it will survive editing. >> > > Deleted already. > Like I sez, you got no business in Wikipedia. I mean, what? -- are you * asking* to be collapsed and arbitrated? Just out of curiosity, how long did it take them to delete this? They stay on their toes! - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
At 11:22 AM 9/14/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion I put a summary up on the wiki. I doubt that it will survive editing. Deleted already.
Re: [Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
At 10:33 AM 9/14/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion I've only skimmed it. I put a summary up on the wiki. I doubt that it will survive editing.
[Vo]:Re: New Wired UK article
At 10:26 AM 9/14/2012, Alan J Fletcher wrote: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-09/14/cold-fusion I've only skimmed it. Lots of Krivit ps : Steven Vincent Johnson already had it up. but it wasn't (still isn't) showing on the web archive.
