Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
It is common fr people in total distrust to demand useless test. I remember of test by militaries on pigs (napalm or nuke...?) moreover 6 month may give indication of total autonomy, reliability... it is a big version of the tea kettle. when you are in denial, you increase the demand to make it huge... if the client is not in denial but in fear not to be ridiculed by others, they also behave the same 2013/11/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com A 6-month test is ridiculous. It does not prove anything that a 1-month test would not prove. A week would probably suffice. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
6 Month test, after all. Frank Acland November 12th, 2013 at 5:51 PM Dear Andrea, 1. Is the current long-term validation for the purpose of getting safety certification for the hot cat? 2. Will the hot cat validation help with safety certification for domestic e-cat systems? 3. Is the domestic e-cat still a priority for your team? Andrea Rossi November 12th, 2013 at 6:16 PM Frank Acland: 1- No, the validation and RD long- term- activity have different purposes: for us, as manufacturers, the purpose is to make good products, for the third indipendent party is to confirm the validation made for a week, verifying in a long term which are the consequences. Obviously, the Ragone number, after a 6 months period, will give more clear indications. 2- Unfortunately, no. This is an issue totally indipendent from what we can do and is very difficult any forecast 3- Priorities are the products we can do and sell. Thanks to you, Warm Regards, A.R. - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:10:01 AM Don't hold your breath : Andrea Rossi November 5th, 2013 at 7:25 AM Marco Serra: Thank you for your attention, I sympathize with you. I do not know when we will publish, because it does not depend on me, but surely within 2014. I dare to foresee before August/September. But this is not an engagement. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
A 6-month test is ridiculous. It does not prove anything that a 1-month test would not prove. A week would probably suffice. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
A 6-month test is getting into Underwriters Laboratory territory. As Rossi says: different purposes On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: A 6-month test is ridiculous. It does not prove anything that a 1-month test would not prove. A week would probably suffice. - Jed
[Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
Don't hold your breath : Andrea Rossi November 5th, 2013 at 7:25 AM Marco Serra: Thank you for your attention, I sympathize with you. I do not know when we will publish, because it does not depend on me, but surely within 2014. I dare to foresee before August/September. But this is not an engagement. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
ps : Mark Gibbs and I get his seal of approval -- Frank Acland November 5th, 2013 at 6:30 PM Dear Andrea, Is this the Ragone diagram you stand by? http://b-i.forbesimg.com/markgibbs/files/2013/05/130520_ragone_04-1024×624.png Best wishes, Frank Acland Andrea Rossi November 5th, 2013 at 8:06 PM Frank Acland: Yes, Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
and how long has it been since the 1 MW October test? Two years! -Original Message- From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Nov 6, 2013 12:11 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014) ps : Mark Gibbs and I get his seal of approval -- Frank Acland November 5th, 2013 at 6:30 PM Dear Andrea, Is this the Ragone diagram you stand by? http://b-i.forbesimg.com/markgibbs/files/2013/05/130520_ragone_04-1024×624.png Best wishes, Frank Acland Andrea Rossi November 5th, 2013 at 8:06 PM Frank Acland: Yes, Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
Dear Alan, On 6-11-2013 18:11, Alan Fletcher wrote: Is this the Ragone diagram you stand by? http://b-i.forbesimg.com/markgibbs/files/2013/05/130520_ragone_04-1024×624.png I'm afraid the file is not there anymore, as I get an 404 error. Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
I think this is the same image: http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/hires/2013/rossitests2.jpg On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Dear Alan, On 6-11-2013 18:11, Alan Fletcher wrote: Is this the Ragone diagram you stand by? http://b-i.forbesimg.com/markgibbs/files/2013/05/130520_ragone_04-1024 ×624.png I'm afraid the file is not there anymore, as I get an 404 error. Kind regards, Rob -- Frank Acland Publisher, E-Cat World http://www.e-catworld.com
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
- Original Message - From: Frank Acland ecatwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 12:41:09 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014) I think this is the same image: http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/hires/2013/rossitests2.jpg Stolen -- With all the attributions cropped off. It's funny -- I pulled up the Forbes image this morning ! Still there : http://b-i.forbesimg.com/markgibbs/files/2013/05/130520_ragone_04-1024x624.png I think that the URL got truncated when I copied the Rossi post into email.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
The new customer is still a mystery (invited visits and all that). This is actually two tests a) Presumably Levi et al b) An internal test. 1MW? Hotcat? Something new? - Original Message - From: fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 12:12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014) and how long has it been since the 1 MW October test? Two years!
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
So what are the in process evaluations currently? There was talk of something like an Underwriters Laboratories certification going on. There was talk of the original 1MW plant undergoing evaluation. Are there others? What is the hold-up on manufacturing? On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Don't hold your breath : Andrea Rossi November 5th, 2013 at 7:25 AM Marco Serra: Thank you for your attention, I sympathize with you. I do not know when we will publish, because it does not depend on me, but surely within 2014. I dare to foresee before August/September. But this is not an engagement. Warm Regards, A.R.
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
Alan, On 6-11-2013 21:48, Alan Fletcher wrote: It's funny -- I pulled up the Forbes image this morning ! Still there : http://b-i.forbesimg.com/markgibbs/files/2013/05/130520_ragone_04-1024x624.png Yep I see, but there is a slight difference between those two: The one that works has an x in between while the original has %C3%97 at the same spot, which doesn't work. I think that the URL got truncated when I copied the Rossi post into email. Most likely a conversion error. As you may see the the original link has a very small space followed by an x which is a bit lifted from the baseline! Kind regards, Rob
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014)
I went back to the article : http://phys.org/news/2013-05-rossi-e-cat-energy-density-higher.html Originally, they just cropped the photo, removing my credits, with a short caption. I left a nasty comment. I just checked back and they've filled in the caption: Ragone plot of the energy density and power density of various sources. The plot has been expanded to show conservative estimates of the E-Cat from the March tests, as well as known values of Pu-238. Credit: Prepared for Forbes by Alan Fletcher based on the original figure by Ahmed F. Ghoniem. Needs, resources and climate change: clean and efficient conversion technologies, Progress in Energy and Combustion Science 37 (2011), 15-51, fig. 38 So I guess honor is satisfied !!! (Although I prefer leaving the credits on the image, because they tend to get copied and separated.) From: Frank Acland ecatwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 12:41:09 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Long-term test : LONG WAIT (Aug/Sep 2014) I think this is the same image: http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/hires/2013/rossitests2.jpg Stolen -- With all the attributions cropped off.
