[Vo]:Rossi Wrap-up
Nothing new here but a decent wrap up, quoting Rothwell and Krivit: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/Cold-Fusion-It-May-Not-Be-Madness-71916.h tml And there is a slightly contrarian but non-skeptical perspective on the big-picture situation, as it now stands going into Spring 2011. Like or not, unless another experimenter or group - more open to disclosure of the operational details, can approximate the Rossi results of extremely high COP at the kilowatt level, in the next few months leading up to the promised MW demonstration, then it is going to be a frustrating period for LENR researchers at many levels. .since almost no other typical incremental results, especially with deuterium and palladium at the few watts level, are going to generate interest (or funding) . that is, with this 800 pound gorilla in the closet, waiting to get out. This situation could discourage a significant percentage of competent researchers from continuing with what they were doing. The demo in Bologna, from that perspective, could be a net negative for the field in general, on the short term. However, the one thing that would turn that around, and turn it into a huge positive, would be good results at decent power levels - using what may turn out to be a good guess as to what Rossi was thought to be doing - even if the guess is ultimately wrong, but the results are equally strong. Jones
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Like or not, unless another experimenter or group - more open to disclosure of the operational details, can approximate the Rossi results of extremely high COP at the kilowatt level, in the next few months leading up to the promised MW demonstration, then it is going to be a frustrating period for LENR researchers at many levels. I agree there needs to be an independent replication of the device that offers an open demo. I fear that if Rossi fails to produce a 1MW system by Sept then the field will be harmed. I am working on a path similar to Rossi (high temp gas loading) but with only sporadic and inconsistent results. I do have the capability to work up to 1 or 2 kW with ease and higher with a little modification. I would be happy to receive help in an effort to replicate the Rossi system. I am talking actual physical support not talk or money. - material preparation, machining,... Please let me know if anyone finds out exactly what Rossi is using and the conditions. Let me know if anyone wishes to join forces. I feel we are at a tipping point. Either Rossi is correct and things will develop quickly, or he is wrong and there will be great damage to the field. Someone somewhere needs to do an independent replication or at least an attempt - hopefully with Rossi's blessings , but it needs to be done. A replication would need to be completely open to serious investigators. I am welcome to the idea of an open lab. (within reason) My guess is that Rossi will to busy between now and Sept to do such a thing himself. Dennis Cravens
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What part of the country are you in? Rossi will see any work at replication as an attempt to steal his pot of gold. I wouldn't bother asking for his blessing. Sent from my iPhone. On Feb 22, 2011, at 16:18, Dennis den...@netmdc.com wrote: Like or not, unless another experimenter or group - more open to disclosure of the operational details, can approximate the Rossi results of extremely high COP at the kilowatt level, in the next few months leading up to the promised MW demonstration, then it is going to be a frustrating period for LENR researchers at many levels. I agree there needs to be an independent replication of the device that offers an open demo. I fear that if Rossi fails to produce a 1MW system by Sept then the field will be harmed. I am working on a path similar to Rossi (high temp gas loading) but with only sporadic and inconsistent results. I do have the capability to work up to 1 or 2 kW with ease and higher with a little modification. I would be happy to receive help in an effort to replicate the Rossi system. I am talking actual physical support not talk or money. - material preparation, machining,... Please let me know if anyone finds out exactly what Rossi is using and the conditions. Let me know if anyone wishes to join forces. I feel we are at a tipping point. Either Rossi is correct and things will develop quickly, or he is wrong and there will be great damage to the field. Someone somewhere needs to do an independent replication or at least an attempt - hopefully with Rossi's blessings , but it needs to be done. A replication would need to be completely open to serious investigators. I am welcome to the idea of an open lab. (within reason) My guess is that Rossi will to busy between now and Sept to do such a thing himself. Dennis Cravens
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On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: What part of the country are you in? I think Dr. Cravens remains at the Eastern University of New Mexico. T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Wrap-up
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I think Dr. Cravens remains at the Eastern University of New Mexico. (Ruidoso is only about 80 miles from Roswell)
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Wrap-up
in S. N.M. (Cloudcroft) I would think that he considers himself covered or he would not have gone public with a demo. Notice that in one of his interviews he said - let others go and do the same. I doubt that the patent office will grant anything unless he fully discloses his material and methods. He should know that by now. I would think that any of his patent applications would start to appear within a year of the demo. Basically, I have to put in additives of a rare earth, Th or U to get much effect and I have to have a mix of inert material (zeolite, Al or Zr oxide, silicate...) to isolate my active particles. Mine always sintered after a few cycles if I did not. ... However I am nowhere near his levels. -only still around 1W/gram. ( about the same as presented at ICCF 14 poster session). -- From: Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Wrap-up What part of the country are you in? Rossi will see any work at replication as an attempt to steal his pot of gold. I wouldn't bother asking for his blessing. Sent from my iPhone.
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Abd Lomax is devoting much time and effort to enable anyone to prove neutron emissions with a small, low-cost deuterium-palladium electrolysis cell. I suggest he supply a weekly post on his progress, sharing all data immediately real-time, including full high-resolution views of both sides of the sensitive plastic. Why not share duplicates of his first cell with other researchers -- Ludwik Kowalski, Scott Little, Pam Boss? Could more such scientists form a common public website for this single device? I'll treat you to a meal, if you show up in Santa Fe: Rich Murray 505-819-7388 rmfor...@gmail.com 1943 Otowi Road, Santa Fe, NM 87505 On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Dennis den...@netmdc.com wrote: Like or not, unless another experimenter or group - more open to disclosure of the operational details, can approximate the Rossi results of extremely high COP at the kilowatt level, in the next few months leading up to the promised MW demonstration, then it is going to be a frustrating period for LENR researchers at many levels. I agree there needs to be an independent replication of the device that offers an open demo. I fear that if Rossi fails to produce a 1MW system by Sept then the field will be harmed. I am working on a path similar to Rossi (high temp gas loading) but with only sporadic and inconsistent results. I do have the capability to work up to 1 or 2 kW with ease and higher with a little modification. I would be happy to receive help in an effort to replicate the Rossi system. I am talking actual physical support not talk or money. - material preparation, machining,... Please let me know if anyone finds out exactly what Rossi is using and the conditions. Let me know if anyone wishes to join forces. I feel we are at a tipping point. Either Rossi is correct and things will develop quickly, or he is wrong and there will be great damage to the field. Someone somewhere needs to do an independent replication or at least an attempt - hopefully with Rossi's blessings , but it needs to be done. A replication would need to be completely open to serious investigators. I am welcome to the idea of an open lab. (within reason) My guess is that Rossi will to busy between now and Sept to do such a thing himself. Dennis Cravens
